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I have ordered many bare rooted orchid plants in the past & have
been lucky enough to grow some! Now my question is, if the plant has not viable roots, mostly shrivelled canes, in this case a dendrobium, with buds, would it be better to remove the buds to give the plant a chance to grow? I have posted a pic on abpo. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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wendy7 wrote:
I have ordered many bare rooted orchid plants in the past & have been lucky enough to grow some! Now my question is, if the plant has not viable roots, mostly shrivelled canes, in this case a dendrobium, with buds, would it be better to remove the buds to give the plant a chance to grow? I have posted a pic on abpo. Well, I can't get abpo, but make sure you are removing flower buds, and not vegetative ones. Other than that, probably not a bad idea. I'd put that plant in a nice humid place, without too much light. Maybe laying on a bed of sphagnum moss. Although usually bare root plants come with actual roots... Unless you are ordering them from an importer. Sometimes those plants spend substantial time on slow boats, slower customs, etc. If you ordered them from an in-country vendor, I'd probably complain. You really should get quality plants, with roots, regardless of whether they come in or out of pots. I ship out of pot for that very reason, if the plant has bad roots I want to replace it before the customer finds out. Just my $0.02 (where o where did my 'cents' key go...). Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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"Rob Halgren" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... wendy7 wrote: I have ordered many bare rooted orchid plants in the past & have been lucky enough to grow some! Now my question is, if the plant has not viable roots, mostly shrivelled canes, in this case a dendrobium, with buds, would it be better to remove the buds to give the plant a chance to grow? I have posted a pic on abpo. Well, I can't get abpo, but make sure you are removing flower buds, and not vegetative ones. Other than that, probably not a bad idea. I'd put that plant in a nice humid place, without too much light. Maybe laying on a bed of sphagnum moss. Yeah, that sounds good, Wendy. Put it in a nice dark room with a bed. Give it a few cocktails. Maybe Dyna-Gro on the rocks? Who knows, something may come of it...maybe keikis???!! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 07.05.04 |
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All,
First of all, I know first hand how rough some of those imported bare rooters can be. Still, I've taken some and rehydrated them overnight with a little rooting medium in the water, with some success. Seems to give them a leg up. Also, last year at Redland I bought a bunch of bare root plants on which the pbulbs looked pretty good even though the roots were dry as a crisp. They've grown, thrived and bloomed after rehydration. Diana |
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*G* Good idea Reka. Thanks.
-- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Reka wrote: "Rob Halgren" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... wendy7 wrote: I have ordered many bare rooted orchid plants in the past & have been lucky enough to grow some! Now my question is, if the plant has not viable roots, mostly shrivelled canes, in this case a dendrobium, with buds, would it be better to remove the buds to give the plant a chance to grow? I have posted a pic on abpo. Well, I can't get abpo, but make sure you are removing flower buds, and not vegetative ones. Other than that, probably not a bad idea. I'd put that plant in a nice humid place, without too much light. Maybe laying on a bed of sphagnum moss. Yeah, that sounds good, Wendy. Put it in a nice dark room with a bed. Give it a few cocktails. Maybe Dyna-Gro on the rocks? Who knows, something may come of it...maybe keikis???!! |
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Many thanks Rob for your 2¢......(Type 2 Alt 0162)*g*
Yes the plants did look as though they came off a slow boat! India to Port of Entry to Texas to S.Calif. Anyway Rob, forgot to mention the flowers are already open, so maybe it is too late to remove them? -- Cheers Wendy Ps.... I think abpo is the most fantastic newsgroup, the photos are outstanding & of course you know the people. Remove PETERPAN for email reply "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... wendy7 wrote: I have ordered many bare rooted orchid plants in the past & have been lucky enough to grow some! Now my question is, if the plant has not viable roots, mostly shrivelled canes, in this case a dendrobium, with buds, would it be better to remove the buds to give the plant a chance to grow? I have posted a pic on abpo. Well, I can't get abpo, but make sure you are removing flower buds, and not vegetative ones. Other than that, probably not a bad idea. I'd put that plant in a nice humid place, without too much light. Maybe laying on a bed of sphagnum moss. Although usually bare root plants come with actual roots... Unless you are ordering them from an importer. Sometimes those plants spend substantial time on slow boats, slower customs, etc. If you ordered them from an in-country vendor, I'd probably complain. You really should get quality plants, with roots, regardless of whether they come in or out of pots. I ship out of pot for that very reason, if the plant has bad roots I want to replace it before the customer finds out. Just my $0.02 (where o where did my 'cents' key go...). Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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Good advice Diana, I too have ordered many bare rooters, I'd be lying if I
say I haven't lost any but that's the price you pay! *g* The situ with the Den devonianum is that I was wondering if I should have sacrificed the buds at the time as their cane was the only live looking one? Too late now though as it is blooming. Just have to hope for new growth. Thanks for the info. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... All, First of all, I know first hand how rough some of those imported bare rooters can be. Still, I've taken some and rehydrated them overnight with a little rooting medium in the water, with some success. Seems to give them a leg up. Also, last year at Redland I bought a bunch of bare root plants on which the pbulbs looked pretty good even though the roots were dry as a crisp. They've grown, thrived and bloomed after rehydration. Diana |
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wendy7 wrote:
Many thanks Rob for your 2¢......(Type 2 Alt 0162)*g* $&#*@! inflation! *grin* I'm never going to remember that one... Yes the plants did look as though they came off a slow boat! India to Port of Entry to Texas to S.Calif. Anyway Rob, forgot to mention the flowers are already open, so maybe it is too late to remove them? Doesn't matter too much. They won't last long on a plant with no root system anyway. I'd still take them off. -- Cheers Wendy Ps.... I think abpo is the most fantastic newsgroup, the photos are outstanding & of course you know the people. As wonderful as I'm sure it is, for some reason the university won't pick it up. They have newsgroups that would make a sailor blush, but not orchids, that is too exciting. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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wendy7 wrote:
Many thanks Rob for your 2¢......(Type 2 Alt 0162)*g* $&#*@! inflation! *grin* I'm never going to remember that one... Yes the plants did look as though they came off a slow boat! India to Port of Entry to Texas to S.Calif. Anyway Rob, forgot to mention the flowers are already open, so maybe it is too late to remove them? Doesn't matter too much. They won't last long on a plant with no root system anyway. I'd still take them off. -- Cheers Wendy Ps.... I think abpo is the most fantastic newsgroup, the photos are outstanding & of course you know the people. As wonderful as I'm sure it is, for some reason the university won't pick it up. They have newsgroups that would make a sailor blush, but not orchids, that is too exciting. Rob -- Robert G. Halgren, Ph.D. Bioinformatics Specialist GTSF - Michigan State University http://genomics.msu.edu (517) 353-7236 - |
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Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can
someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following:
In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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I apologize, I missed the thread, but I would like to find out when does
this apply? Is it something that is done when you receive plants via mail or as an occasional treatment? Mariana "Ray" wrote in message ... George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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Ray, Where can one buy this STEM?
-- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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It's mostly used for bare-root imports that have gotten fairly desiccated. If you have
"professionally abused" a plant into that condition, it can apply to it prior to rescuing, too! The idea behind it is to provide some fuel and inducement to root. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message ... I apologize, I missed the thread, but I would like to find out when does this apply? Is it something that is done when you receive plants via mail or as an occasional treatment? Mariana "Ray" wrote in message ... George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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I carry it, and it is also available (slightly different formulation called TEMO from Plant Hormones
Canada -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:Lhqpc.27682$5a.26300@okepread03... Ray, Where can one buy this STEM? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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When I initially inquired about Gibberellic Acid after seeing it in an article (have never used
it), many people had some negative thoughts on it. Thursday night, Alan Koch spoke at our society meeting and mentioned that this was a natural feature or element of Kelp/Seaweed fertilizer. I, however, did not get to speak with him in detail. .. . . Pam Everything Orchid Management System http://www.pe.net/~profpam/page3.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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I talked to Alan about it at the New York show. He said that since GA is
derived from natural sources AOS judging does not have any problems with its use. Pat "profpam" wrote in message ... When I initially inquired about Gibberellic Acid after seeing it in an article (have never used it), many people had some negative thoughts on it. Thursday night, Alan Koch spoke at our society meeting and mentioned that this was a natural feature or element of Kelp/Seaweed fertilizer. I, however, did not get to speak with him in detail. . . . Pam Everything Orchid Management System http://www.pe.net/~profpam/page3.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Ray wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... George Norris of Spring Orchid Specialties advocates the following: In one gallon of 80°F water, dissolve: One cup of sugar 5 drops of SuperThrive One teaspoon vitamin E I have taken that a step farther since hearing Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids, adding 1/2 teaspoon of STEM (soluble trace element mixture). In any case, soak the plant for two- to four hours. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "IiSpankyii" wrote in message ... Hi. Someone had mentioned soaking bare root plants in a rooting solution. Can someone elaborate on this a bit? Thanks for any info. |
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Although not a proper rooting solution, my own "solution" to
rootless plants is a modification of the "sphag and bag" technique advocated by some. What I have done is filled large plastic bag (about gallon sized) 1/3 of the way with soaking wet bark. The orchid gets some sphagnum wrapped around its base, and is then put into the bag. The leaves either stick out, or are completely out, depending upon how desiccated the plant is. Every 2-3 days, I mist some fresh "SUPERthrive" solution + weak fertilizer onto the sphagnum. Check weekly for new growth and roots. I like this a little better than other techniques, as it gives the plant a bit more circulation, and reduces the chances of rot, IMHO. For the bag, I've used polypropylene bread bags; they've worked well for me. -AJHicks Chandler, AZ |
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Pat Brennan wrote:
I talked to Alan about it at the New York show. He said that since GA is derived from natural sources AOS judging does not have any problems with its use. Uh oh... Somebody pressed the 'natural sources' button that makes me so grumpy... Please ignore the following tirade if you aren't in the mood. A lot of things are derived from natural sources. I don't think there is any specific ruling that makes a naturally derived product suitable for AOS judging purposes... In fact, there isn't a rule about synthetic products. Natural or synthetic doesn't matter anyway, colchicine (used to muck with chromosome numbers) comes from crocuses. Pyrethrins come from chrysanthemums... Orthene comes from some chemical company somewhere. I wouldn't consume even the tiniest fraction of any of them. But for what it is worth, natural sources has nothing to do with it. If it was made on the space station, shipped directly to monsanto, and applied thereupon to an orchid, I don't think the AOS judging system cares... One way or another. I haven't ever seen a rule that states that a plant treated with any chemical/fertilizer/pesticide/magic potion is ineligible for judging, as long as it hasn't had an immediate effect on the appearance of the plant (shining the leaves with vegetable oil is verboten, soaking white phals in blue food color is a no-no, fertilizing the plant with chemical fertilizers so that it gives nice flowers is encouraged). If somebody can find that for me in the handbook, I'd love to see it. I've been wrong before. In the judging room, I would suspect that if you were to bring up the use of synthetic (or natural) growth regulators you would get a general consensus that it is not good. But, that isn't the same as a rule. And the practical side is that there is no way we could enforce it even if it was a rule, unless the plant came in with a little sign that said "Treated with Gibberellic acid". Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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I am with you Rob, bottom line is, how are the judges going to know what you
have used? They would have to do some kind of DNA testing no? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Pat Brennan wrote: I talked to Alan about it at the New York show. He said that since GA is derived from natural sources AOS judging does not have any problems with its use. Uh oh... Somebody pressed the 'natural sources' button that makes me so grumpy... Please ignore the following tirade if you aren't in the mood. A lot of things are derived from natural sources. I don't think there is any specific ruling that makes a naturally derived product suitable for AOS judging purposes... In fact, there isn't a rule about synthetic products. Natural or synthetic doesn't matter anyway, colchicine (used to muck with chromosome numbers) comes from crocuses. Pyrethrins come from chrysanthemums... Orthene comes from some chemical company somewhere. I wouldn't consume even the tiniest fraction of any of them. But for what it is worth, natural sources has nothing to do with it. If it was made on the space station, shipped directly to monsanto, and applied thereupon to an orchid, I don't think the AOS judging system cares... One way or another. I haven't ever seen a rule that states that a plant treated with any chemical/fertilizer/pesticide/magic potion is ineligible for judging, as long as it hasn't had an immediate effect on the appearance of the plant (shining the leaves with vegetable oil is verboten, soaking white phals in blue food color is a no-no, fertilizing the plant with chemical fertilizers so that it gives nice flowers is encouraged). If somebody can find that for me in the handbook, I'd love to see it. I've been wrong before. In the judging room, I would suspect that if you were to bring up the use of synthetic (or natural) growth regulators you would get a general consensus that it is not good. But, that isn't the same as a rule. And the practical side is that there is no way we could enforce it even if it was a rule, unless the plant came in with a little sign that said "Treated with Gibberellic acid". Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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No judging handbook here. But the last time GA came up someone posted that
they though it's use was against the regulations. Seemed weird to me so I asked Alan and I expect is answer is pretty good, buttons or not. As I wrote last time this topic came up, if there is an AOS judging list of prohibited chemicals, hormones, and/or growth regulators I would love to know what they are. Anyone have the handbook and a little spare time? Pat "Rob Halgren" wrote in message and I removed most of it .......................................... But for what it is worth, natural sources has nothing to do with it. If it was made on the space station, shipped directly to monsanto, and applied thereupon to an orchid, I don't think the AOS judging system cares... One way or another. I haven't ever seen a rule that states that a plant treated with any chemical/fertilizer/pesticide/magic potion is ineligible for judging, as long as it hasn't had an immediate effect on the appearance of the plant (shining the leaves with vegetable oil is verboten, soaking white phals in blue food color is a no-no, fertilizing the plant with chemical fertilizers so that it gives nice flowers is encouraged). If somebody can find that for me in the handbook, I'd love to see it. I've been wrong before. .................................................. ........................... ...... |
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wendy7 wrote:
I am with you Rob, bottom line is, how are the judges going to know what you have used? They would have to do some kind of DNA testing no? DNA testing wouldn't help, even. Treating with growth regulators won't effect the genome of the plant. Truth is, there isn't a way to tell, for sure, if a plant has been treated with growth regulators. The sole exception being if it had _just_ been treated with a compound, and you could do some sort of mass spectrometry to detect that compound. Or if you knew enough about what genes were regulated you could look for them. But that would never be the case, as the ultimate effects of a growth regulator are seen well after that compound is applied. If the goal is bushier plants or more blooms, you have to apply the growth regulator when the plants are growing or the spikes are forming. That was probably months before judging. Anyway, my point is you can grow your plants however you want, there is no regulation. Give them growth hormones, vitamins, minerals, MSU magic fertilizer, seaweed extract, worm castings, or llama urine, it doesn't matter. You could make potions out of eye of newt and wolfsbane whilst dancing naked under a full moon. Sing arias or play rock and roll. None of these activites is either immoral or 'illegal' in a judging sense. The only thing the judges care about is what they see in front of them. Weeee! Hey, it is time to go home! Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) of minicatts and oncidinae |
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Pat Brennan wrote:
No judging handbook here. But the last time GA came up someone posted that they though it's use was against the regulations. Seemed weird to me so I asked Alan and I expect is answer is pretty good, buttons or not. As I wrote last time this topic came up, if there is an AOS judging list of prohibited chemicals, hormones, and/or growth regulators I would love to know what they are. Anyone have the handbook and a little spare time? I have the handbook but very little spare time. I'll look anyway. I'm pretty sure I would have come across a list of prohibited substances should there have been one, although even the most experienced judges don't have the thing memorized. Our whole team was looking through it this weekend, for something that we don't deal with very often. I'll make a full report tomorrow. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm open for business - e-mail me for a list ) of minicatts and oncidiums |
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I'm sure if someone were sufficiently interested, a quick spot
test could be developed for gibberellic acids. Then growers who used it would just have to get keener about how they applied so, so they could elude testing. It's worse than the spammer/spam-filter relationship. An interesting note about growth regulators is that *if* one could restrict their use in judged plants, where would one draw the line? Only "big" molecules like GA, kinetin, and so forth? How about B vitamins. Quite a slippery slope there. The e-mail address in the header is a spam trap. Send no e-mail there. -AJHicks Chandler, AZ |
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Differences in geography, I suppose -- but if you take a plant to judging at
the AOS HQ, it probably won't even be looked at if you _haven't_ shined the leaves [although I've never tried vegetable oil for that purpose ...]. Milk is theoretically the preferred shine, but several of the judges there bring their own plants in [of course not sitting on the team that judges them] and theirs, like mine, tend to be sprayed with Leaf-Shine. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Pat Brennan wrote: I talked to Alan about it at the New York show. He said that since GA is derived from natural sources AOS judging does not have any problems with its use. Uh oh... Somebody pressed the 'natural sources' button that makes me so grumpy... Please ignore the following tirade if you aren't in the mood. A lot of things are derived from natural sources. I don't think there is any specific ruling that makes a naturally derived product suitable for AOS judging purposes... In fact, there isn't a rule about synthetic products. Natural or synthetic doesn't matter anyway, colchicine (used to muck with chromosome numbers) comes from crocuses. Pyrethrins come from chrysanthemums... Orthene comes from some chemical company somewhere. I wouldn't consume even the tiniest fraction of any of them. But for what it is worth, natural sources has nothing to do with it. If it was made on the space station, shipped directly to monsanto, and applied thereupon to an orchid, I don't think the AOS judging system cares... One way or another. I haven't ever seen a rule that states that a plant treated with any chemical/fertilizer/pesticide/magic potion is ineligible for judging, as long as it hasn't had an immediate effect on the appearance of the plant (shining the leaves with vegetable oil is verboten, soaking white phals in blue food color is a no-no, fertilizing the plant with chemical fertilizers so that it gives nice flowers is encouraged). If somebody can find that for me in the handbook, I'd love to see it. I've been wrong before. In the judging room, I would suspect that if you were to bring up the use of synthetic (or natural) growth regulators you would get a general consensus that it is not good. But, that isn't the same as a rule. And the practical side is that there is no way we could enforce it even if it was a rule, unless the plant came in with a little sign that said "Treated with Gibberellic acid". Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit 4) LittlefrogFarm kinda/sorta/somewhat open for business - e-mail me for a list ) |
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Kenni Judd wrote:
Differences in geography, I suppose -- but if you take a plant to judging at the AOS HQ, it probably won't even be looked at if you _haven't_ shined the leaves [although I've never tried vegetable oil for that purpose ...]. Milk is theoretically the preferred shine, but several of the judges there bring their own plants in [of course not sitting on the team that judges them] and theirs, like mine, tend to be sprayed with Leaf-Shine. It seems like this is an old topic, maybe my news server is sending me old stuff again, but I'll respond anyway. Just _try_ to keep me from responding, I dare you... *grin* Well... According to the AOS Handbook on Judging and Exhibition, shining leaves is strictly verboten. It seems to have disappeared off my desk (here at work, why anybody here would want it is beyond me...), so I can't quote chapter and verse. Are you sure that they want them shined, and not just cleaned? Cleaning leaves is ok (and encouraged). Giving the leaves an artificial shine is against the rules. Always has been, unless of course I can't read (always an option), in which case feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. Geography should have nothing to do with it, that is why they published the darned handbook... I always assumed that the distinction was that you could remove hard water stains, etc, but you couldn't apply oils or other artificial 'waxy' substances to the plant. I have no idea why, mind you, although I do find an overly oiled specimen (of any phylum) be be a little gaudy. Seems like a trivial thing to get upset over. Although if it is in the handbook, I'd be certain to mention it the next time you bring in a plant. That will get you bonus points (*grin*). Rules have never stopped anybody, of course. Quick assignment to one of the student judges out there - look that up and report. I can make assignments that now that I've been 'elevated' to probationary. It sounds so angelic. "Elevation". I think the next phase is 'ascension directly into orchid heaven'. Oh, I'm in trouble now.... Rob (agitator extraordinaire) -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit |
Rob: Seems old to me, too, but I just now saw this one. Not being a judge,
nor student judge, nor even a clerk for the judges, I've never actually read the handbook. I was only reporting what actually happens, at the monthly judgings at the AOS HQ. So I think you probably hit on the head with "rules never stopped anyone" G. Kenni It seems like this is an old topic, maybe my news server is sending me old stuff again, but I'll respond anyway. Just _try_ to keep me from responding, I dare you... *grin* Well... According to the AOS Handbook on Judging and Exhibition, shining leaves is strictly verboten. It seems to have disappeared off my desk (here at work, why anybody here would want it is beyond me...), so I can't quote chapter and verse. Are you sure that they want them shined, and not just cleaned? Cleaning leaves is ok (and encouraged). Giving the leaves an artificial shine is against the rules. Always has been, unless of course I can't read (always an option), in which case feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. Geography should have nothing to do with it, that is why they published the darned handbook... I always assumed that the distinction was that you could remove hard water stains, etc, but you couldn't apply oils or other artificial 'waxy' substances to the plant. I have no idea why, mind you, although I do find an overly oiled specimen (of any phylum) be be a little gaudy. Seems like a trivial thing to get upset over. Although if it is in the handbook, I'd be certain to mention it the next time you bring in a plant. That will get you bonus points (*grin*). Rules have never stopped anybody, of course. Quick assignment to one of the student judges out there - look that up and report. I can make assignments that now that I've been 'elevated' to probationary. It sounds so angelic. "Elevation". I think the next phase is 'ascension directly into orchid heaven'. Oh, I'm in trouble now.... Rob (agitator extraordinaire) -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit |
Rob: Seems old to me, too, but I just now saw this one. Not being a judge,
nor student judge, nor even a clerk for the judges, I've never actually read the handbook. I was only reporting what actually happens, at the monthly judgings at the AOS HQ. So I think you probably hit on the head with "rules never stopped anyone" G. Kenni It seems like this is an old topic, maybe my news server is sending me old stuff again, but I'll respond anyway. Just _try_ to keep me from responding, I dare you... *grin* Well... According to the AOS Handbook on Judging and Exhibition, shining leaves is strictly verboten. It seems to have disappeared off my desk (here at work, why anybody here would want it is beyond me...), so I can't quote chapter and verse. Are you sure that they want them shined, and not just cleaned? Cleaning leaves is ok (and encouraged). Giving the leaves an artificial shine is against the rules. Always has been, unless of course I can't read (always an option), in which case feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. Geography should have nothing to do with it, that is why they published the darned handbook... I always assumed that the distinction was that you could remove hard water stains, etc, but you couldn't apply oils or other artificial 'waxy' substances to the plant. I have no idea why, mind you, although I do find an overly oiled specimen (of any phylum) be be a little gaudy. Seems like a trivial thing to get upset over. Although if it is in the handbook, I'd be certain to mention it the next time you bring in a plant. That will get you bonus points (*grin*). Rules have never stopped anybody, of course. Quick assignment to one of the student judges out there - look that up and report. I can make assignments that now that I've been 'elevated' to probationary. It sounds so angelic. "Elevation". I think the next phase is 'ascension directly into orchid heaven'. Oh, I'm in trouble now.... Rob (agitator extraordinaire) -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit |
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