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I was going through my favorite bookmarks & found OGRES is closed!
http://www.proinnovation.com/ogres/

Ogres is history
 

Well that sucks.

K Barrett

"Wendy" wrote in message
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I was going through my favorite bookmarks & found OGRES is closed!
http://www.proinnovation.com/ogres/

Ogres is history
 

K Barrett wrote:

Well that sucks.



Do we know why it is dead? Lack of money, lack of interest, or some
stupid legal problem? I can predict with 100% accuracy that eventually
some schmuck who gets a bad review will threaten legal action, even
though they have no case...

If somebody can find out why it isn't there and that it definitely
isn't coming back, I will volunteer to create/administer its
replacement. Although there may be 10 other people who want to do
that. We could make it open source...

Rob

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1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:37:32 -0400, Rob Halgren
wrote:

Do we know why it is dead?

There is an explanation on the site
(http://www.proinnovation.com/ogres/) Basically, it sounds like he
got tired of vendors complaining that it was unfair. He's accepting
comments from those that want to give their opinions.

deg

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from what has been posted on the forums, I gather some vendor was unhappy
with a rating. (no names were given) And after all the negative email, etc.
that the person running the Ogres site was getting, he decided to shut it
down. it no longer became worth the hassle he was getting.


"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Do we know why it is dead? Lack of money, lack of interest, or some
stupid legal problem? I can predict with 100% accuracy that eventually
some schmuck who gets a bad review will threaten legal action, even
though they have no case...

If somebody can find out why it isn't there and that it definitely
isn't coming back, I will volunteer to create/administer its
replacement. Although there may be 10 other people who want to do
that. We could make it open source...

Rob

Ogres is history
 

molli wrote:

from what has been posted on the forums, I gather some vendor was unhappy
with a rating. (no names were given) And after all the negative email, etc.
that the person running the Ogres site was getting, he decided to shut it
down. it no longer became worth the hassle he was getting.


You know, if a vendor doesn't want to be evaluated, I kind of want
to know that. A simple "this vendor has elected not to be rated by
OGRES" would be just about right.

Of course I wouldn't purchase something from them... But at least
you know their position.

Rob (Rated XXX - for XXXcellent. Or maybe for foul language, I can't
remember)

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list )

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Yep,

That's right.

While there was plenty of opportunity for abuse, my feeling is that if you're fair with your
customers, you have nothing serious to fear.

I was taken aback by someone who griped about First Rays because a blossom arrived a bit mushed -
but then acknowledged that she wasn't expecting it to be in-bloom or spike anyway!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
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"Dewitt" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:37:32 -0400, Rob Halgren
wrote:

Do we know why it is dead?

There is an explanation on the site
(http://www.proinnovation.com/ogres/) Basically, it sounds like he
got tired of vendors complaining that it was unfair. He's accepting
comments from those that want to give their opinions.

deg

Ogres is history
 

Ray wrote:

Yep,

That's right.

While there was plenty of opportunity for abuse, my feeling is that if you're fair with your
customers, you have nothing serious to fear.



110% correct. And you probably make more money by being
scrupulously fair than by dinking around with excuses. And sleep better
at night.

I was taken aback by someone who griped about First Rays because a blossom arrived a bit mushed -
but then acknowledged that she wasn't expecting it to be in-bloom or spike anyway!



And there are always a few people that seem to take pleasure in
complaining, too. But most complaints are due to miscommunication. I'd
appreciate the availabilty of a secondary place to store complaints
about me. Perhaps the customer couldn't reach me for some reason (spam
filters, packet-loss, whatever). I might never know there was a problem
if there wasn't a neutral third party collecting comments.

Of course there has to be a mechanism for complaint removal (in the
case where the complaint was resolved to the satisfaction of both
parties), or at least a way for the vendor to present a rebuttal. I
didn't use OGREs enough to know if that was implemented. Another nice
feature would be to rate customers... There are a few bad apples in
that basket too. Not many, thank goodness.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list )

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Too bad. I didn't go there all that often, but it was a good source on the
occasions when I needed it.

Diana

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:05:16 -0400, "Ray"
wrote:

I was taken aback by someone who griped about First Rays because a blossom arrived a bit mushed -
but then acknowledged that she wasn't expecting it to be in-bloom or spike anyway!

And someone was critical of Al for being stingy with the sphagnum he
potted in. . . Kind of like ebay comments, vendors have to trust
that rational customers are able to look at the totality of the
comments and are able to filter out comments from naive customers and
kooks.

deg

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:27:56 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

Too bad. I didn't go there all that often, but it was a good source on the
occasions when I needed it.

Diana


I do wonder if this was not part of it too. I can not remember
the last time I used it. If all the traffic is Gripe - you tend
to not want to offer the service.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Ogres is history
 

Ray wrote:

Yep,

That's right.

While there was plenty of opportunity for abuse, my feeling is that if you're fair with your
customers, you have nothing serious to fear.



110% correct. And you probably make more money by being
scrupulously fair than by dinking around with excuses. And sleep better
at night.

I was taken aback by someone who griped about First Rays because a blossom arrived a bit mushed -
but then acknowledged that she wasn't expecting it to be in-bloom or spike anyway!



And there are always a few people that seem to take pleasure in
complaining, too. But most complaints are due to miscommunication. I'd
appreciate the availabilty of a secondary place to store complaints
about me. Perhaps the customer couldn't reach me for some reason (spam
filters, packet-loss, whatever). I might never know there was a problem
if there wasn't a neutral third party collecting comments.

Of course there has to be a mechanism for complaint removal (in the
case where the complaint was resolved to the satisfaction of both
parties), or at least a way for the vendor to present a rebuttal. I
didn't use OGREs enough to know if that was implemented. Another nice
feature would be to rate customers... There are a few bad apples in
that basket too. Not many, thank goodness.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list )

Ogres is history
 

Too bad. I didn't go there all that often, but it was a good source on the
occasions when I needed it.

Diana

Ogres is history
 

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:27:56 GMT, "Diana Kulaga"
wrote:

Too bad. I didn't go there all that often, but it was a good source on the
occasions when I needed it.

Diana


I do wonder if this was not part of it too. I can not remember
the last time I used it. If all the traffic is Gripe - you tend
to not want to offer the service.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php