GardenBanter.co.uk - Roots instead of spikes...

GardenBanter.co.uk (https://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/)

- Orchids (https://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/orchids/)

- - Roots instead of spikes... (https://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/orchids/83448-roots-instead-spikes.html)

dd	12-09-2004 04:06 PM

Roots instead of spikes...

This morning when I was watering, I noticed that many of my S/H
phals--more than 30-- have developed or are developing aerial roots
where I'd expect a spike. These are plants that previously did not have
aerial roots. Argh!

I looked in Mary Noble's Phal book, and she writes: "Along the sides of
the stem in the axil of each leaf are two or three tiny buds...these
buds are like little bumps. They are capable of developing into
flowering or vegetative parts." [ I assume that "vegetative parts"
includes "roots".] These buds remain quiescent until envronmental
conditions induce the plant to produce flowers or new growths. "

Okay, so why am I getting all these roots instead of spikes? Is the
plant merely reacting to S/H? Am I over-fertilizing? Am I doing
something else wrong? How can I reverse this trend toward roots instead
of flowers?

My primary fertilizer is Dyna-Gro Grow, 7-9-5, and the leaves do not
exhibit fertilizer burn. The plants look healthy, except that they are
not setting spikes. They are getting almost a 15-degree drop in
temperature at night.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

K Barrett

12-09-2004 04:30 PM

What's the night time temperatures?

http://primera.tamu.edu/orchids/orchids.htm

K Barrett

"dd" wrote in message
...
This morning when I was watering, I noticed that many of my S/H
phals--more than 30-- have developed or are developing aerial roots
where I'd expect a spike. These are plants that previously did not have
aerial roots. Argh!

I looked in Mary Noble's Phal book, and she writes: "Along the sides of
the stem in the axil of each leaf are two or three tiny buds...these
buds are like little bumps. They are capable of developing into
flowering or vegetative parts." [ I assume that "vegetative parts"
includes "roots".] These buds remain quiescent until envronmental
conditions induce the plant to produce flowers or new growths. "

Okay, so why am I getting all these roots instead of spikes? Is the
plant merely reacting to S/H? Am I over-fertilizing? Am I doing
something else wrong? How can I reverse this trend toward roots instead
of flowers?

My primary fertilizer is Dyna-Gro Grow, 7-9-5, and the leaves do not
exhibit fertilizer burn. The plants look healthy, except that they are
not setting spikes. They are getting almost a 15-degree drop in
temperature at night.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

K Barrett

12-09-2004 04:30 PM

dd	12-09-2004 05:23 PM

About 65 degrees.

In article tYZ0d.178779$Fg5.102091@attbi_s53, K Barrett
wrote:

What's the night time temperatures?

http://primera.tamu.edu/orchids/orchids.htm

K Barrett

"dd" wrote in message
...
This morning when I was watering, I noticed that many of my S/H
phals--more than 30-- have developed or are developing aerial roots
where I'd expect a spike. These are plants that previously did not have
aerial roots. Argh!

I looked in Mary Noble's Phal book, and she writes: "Along the sides of
the stem in the axil of each leaf are two or three tiny buds...these
buds are like little bumps. They are capable of developing into
flowering or vegetative parts." [ I assume that "vegetative parts"
includes "roots".] These buds remain quiescent until envronmental
conditions induce the plant to produce flowers or new growths. "

Okay, so why am I getting all these roots instead of spikes? Is the
plant merely reacting to S/H? Am I over-fertilizing? Am I doing
something else wrong? How can I reverse this trend toward roots instead
of flowers?

My primary fertilizer is Dyna-Gro Grow, 7-9-5, and the leaves do not
exhibit fertilizer burn. The plants look healthy, except that they are
not setting spikes. They are getting almost a 15-degree drop in
temperature at night.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

dd	12-09-2004 05:23 PM

Tom Randy

12-09-2004 06:23 PM

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:23:03 +0000, dd wrote:

About 65 degrees.

A lower nightime temp is needed to get the blooming cycle going I believe.

dd	12-09-2004 06:45 PM

Thanks, I'll drop it to 60 degrees and see what happens. I have some
phals in bloom and in spike, so all of them aren't reacting like
this--just some of them. Right now, the temperature is 82 degrees.

In article , Tom Randy
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:23:03 +0000, dd wrote:

About 65 degrees.

A lower nightime temp is needed to get the blooming cycle going I believe.

danny

12-09-2004 08:05 PM

I've managed to bloom a lot of Phals without getting the temp much below 70,
although dropping to 60 a few nights would certainly help some of the
plants. Make sure they are getting enough light. Is it time for them to
spike in your part of the country? It's still too early here for most of
the standard white/pink hybrids.

I think the dormant buds you mentioned can only become spikes or new growths
(keikeis), not spikes or roots. It's quite common for my Phals to grow some
of the roots laterally as the plant gets older and starts climbing higher in
the pot.

-danny

"dd" wrote in message
...

Thanks, I'll drop it to 60 degrees and see what happens. I have some
phals in bloom and in spike, so all of them aren't reacting like
this--just some of them. Right now, the temperature is 82 degrees.

In article , Tom Randy
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:23:03 +0000, dd wrote:

About 65 degrees.

A lower nightime temp is needed to get the blooming cycle going I
believe.

mg	13-09-2004 12:11 AM

I've seen this with Phals in SH. My conclusion is that the roots in the
pot are wet and the plant is climbing out of the pot. I don't consider
aerial roots a bad thing.

dd wrote:
This morning when I was watering, I noticed that many of my S/H
phals--more than 30-- have developed or are developing aerial roots
where I'd expect a spike. These are plants that previously did not have
aerial roots. Argh!

I looked in Mary Noble's Phal book, and she writes: "Along the sides of
the stem in the axil of each leaf are two or three tiny buds...these
buds are like little bumps. They are capable of developing into
flowering or vegetative parts." [ I assume that "vegetative parts"
includes "roots".] These buds remain quiescent until envronmental
conditions induce the plant to produce flowers or new growths. "

Okay, so why am I getting all these roots instead of spikes? Is the
plant merely reacting to S/H? Am I over-fertilizing? Am I doing
something else wrong? How can I reverse this trend toward roots instead
of flowers?

My primary fertilizer is Dyna-Gro Grow, 7-9-5, and the leaves do not
exhibit fertilizer burn. The plants look healthy, except that they are
not setting spikes. They are getting almost a 15-degree drop in
temperature at night.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ray	13-09-2004 10:43 AM

I have all of my collection of phal hybrids in S/H, and some do the aerial
root thing and some don't. I don't see it as a problem either way.

FWIW, the phals I have had for resale - mostly in CHC/perlite/charcoal - do
the same thing, which leads me to conclude that it's not a s/h issue.

FWIW, part 2: Since upping my feeding rate to about 125 ppm N, I see a lot
less of it.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
..
"mg" wrote in message ...
I've seen this with Phals in SH. My conclusion is that the roots in the
pot are wet and the plant is climbing out of the pot. I don't consider
aerial roots a bad thing.

dd wrote:
This morning when I was watering, I noticed that many of my S/H
phals--more than 30-- have developed or are developing aerial roots
where I'd expect a spike. These are plants that previously did not have
aerial roots. Argh!

I looked in Mary Noble's Phal book, and she writes: "Along the sides of
the stem in the axil of each leaf are two or three tiny buds...these
buds are like little bumps. They are capable of developing into
flowering or vegetative parts." [ I assume that "vegetative parts"
includes "roots".] These buds remain quiescent until envronmental
conditions induce the plant to produce flowers or new growths. "

Okay, so why am I getting all these roots instead of spikes? Is the
plant merely reacting to S/H? Am I over-fertilizing? Am I doing
something else wrong? How can I reverse this trend toward roots instead
of flowers? My primary fertilizer is Dyna-Gro Grow, 7-9-5, and the leaves
do not
exhibit fertilizer burn. The plants look healthy, except that they are
not setting spikes. They are getting almost a 15-degree drop in
temperature at night. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Reka	13-09-2004 02:14 PM

The consensus, if I remember correctly, is that a drop in temperature from day to night of about 10-15°F is more important than the
absolute night temperature.
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

"dd" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...

Thanks, I'll drop it to 60 degrees and see what happens. I have some
phals in bloom and in spike, so all of them aren't reacting like
this--just some of them. Right now, the temperature is 82 degrees.

In article , Tom Randy
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:23:03 +0000, dd wrote:

About 65 degrees.

A lower nightime temp is needed to get the blooming cycle going I believe.

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 16.08.04

Reka	13-09-2004 02:14 PM

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:22 PM.