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GARLAND HANSON 14-11-2004 01:07 PM

AOS Judging-Cut Flowers
 
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland



Eric Hunt 14-11-2004 04:57 PM

Garland,

I am pretty sure the San Francisco judges have given an award to a cut
orchid flower bloom in the last year. They specifically pointed out that the
award they were talking about was from a mailed, cut flower. KBarrett would
know more, since she's a student judge.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers
that are 3 hours away.




Eric Hunt 14-11-2004 04:57 PM

Garland,

I am pretty sure the San Francisco judges have given an award to a cut
orchid flower bloom in the last year. They specifically pointed out that the
award they were talking about was from a mailed, cut flower. KBarrett would
know more, since she's a student judge.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers
that are 3 hours away.




Rob Halgren 14-11-2004 07:14 PM

GARLAND HANSON wrote:

I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland




We don't see it that often. Especially in the last few years, as it
seems that judging centers have proliferated faster than red states, so
there is less of a geographic barrier. But it is explicitly permitted,
and we'd be happy to look at them. Of course you don't get the flowers
back... Better to send the inflorescence rather than the whole plant
(it would ship better, and cheaper, if nothing else).

There may be an effect on the judging team, but I suspect it
wouldn't be that negative. If you submit cut material, be sure to send
the entire inflorescence (not a single flower from a phal, for
example). We judge the inflorescence as a whole.

If you wanted to FedEx your plants or blooms to me, I can take them
to our judging this coming Saturday (Nov 20). Alternatively, if you get
a copy of AQ, there is a list of judging centers and dates in there, as
well as information about who to send the material to.

Thanks for bringing up an option that most people don't think
about (or know about - even many judges, I suspect).

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list )

Rob Halgren 14-11-2004 07:14 PM

GARLAND HANSON wrote:

I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland




We don't see it that often. Especially in the last few years, as it
seems that judging centers have proliferated faster than red states, so
there is less of a geographic barrier. But it is explicitly permitted,
and we'd be happy to look at them. Of course you don't get the flowers
back... Better to send the inflorescence rather than the whole plant
(it would ship better, and cheaper, if nothing else).

There may be an effect on the judging team, but I suspect it
wouldn't be that negative. If you submit cut material, be sure to send
the entire inflorescence (not a single flower from a phal, for
example). We judge the inflorescence as a whole.

If you wanted to FedEx your plants or blooms to me, I can take them
to our judging this coming Saturday (Nov 20). Alternatively, if you get
a copy of AQ, there is a list of judging centers and dates in there, as
well as information about who to send the material to.

Thanks for bringing up an option that most people don't think
about (or know about - even many judges, I suspect).

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a. See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase
more orchids, obtain more credit
LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list )

K Barrett 14-11-2004 10:38 PM

That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package
the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport.

If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his
wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the
people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171

K Barrett


"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging

centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It

seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland





K Barrett 14-11-2004 10:38 PM

That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package
the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport.

If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his
wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the
people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171

K Barrett


"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging

centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It

seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland





K Barrett 14-11-2004 10:38 PM

That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to package
the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport.

If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his
wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the
people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171

K Barrett


"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging

centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It

seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland





K Barrett 14-11-2004 11:04 PM

A second thought... sometimes the plant is quite beaten up, so sending the
cut inflorescence makes a better impression than sending the whole plant,
*G*.

K Barrett

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news:E7Rld.97228$R05.85013@attbi_s53...
That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to

package
the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport.

If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his
wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the
people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171

K Barrett


"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm

not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging

centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated

individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It

seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland







K Barrett 14-11-2004 11:04 PM

A second thought... sometimes the plant is quite beaten up, so sending the
cut inflorescence makes a better impression than sending the whole plant,
*G*.

K Barrett

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news:E7Rld.97228$R05.85013@attbi_s53...
That's a good question. I know we had a plant mailed to the Pac central
region a few years ago. (A paph IIRC) BUT!! I have no idea how to

package
the plant properly so as not to have it damaged in transport.

If I were you I'd call Maynard Michel of Orchids Orinda. Either he or his
wife Helen would be able to advise you. The Michels are designated as the
people to mail plants to the Pac Central region. (925) 447-7171

K Barrett


"GARLAND HANSON" wrote in message
news:EMIld.2842$m36.1241@trnddc02...
I have several plants in bloom that I'm told are award quality but I'm

not
particularly interested in traveling to one of the regional judging

centers
that are 3 hours away.

I read that you can mail plants or cut flowers to a designated

individual
and they will be judged at the next session.

Has anyone had any luck mailing cut flowers and receiving awards? It

seems
that the whole plant would have a better impact on the judging team.

Thoughts?

Garland







TRAINMAN9 16-11-2004 07:06 PM

I sent a paph curtisii flower to a judging center a number of years ago.
Unfortunately it was not in very good shape by the time it arrived. I would
suggest you put the flower or inflorencence into a tube with water and ship it
FedEx or UPS or DHL next day air. It will cost you but will ensure that it
arrives fresh.

TRAINMAN9 16-11-2004 07:06 PM

I sent a paph curtisii flower to a judging center a number of years ago.
Unfortunately it was not in very good shape by the time it arrived. I would
suggest you put the flower or inflorencence into a tube with water and ship it
FedEx or UPS or DHL next day air. It will cost you but will ensure that it
arrives fresh.

Pat Brennan 17-11-2004 12:39 PM

I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast
and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards
on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was
present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why
he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole
plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the
explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the
whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a
leggy plant into an AOS award winner.

Pat



Pat Brennan 17-11-2004 12:39 PM

I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast
and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards
on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was
present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why
he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole
plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the
explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the
whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a
leggy plant into an AOS award winner.

Pat



Ray 17-11-2004 12:59 PM

Not being a judge nor having ever taken anything to judging, I'll look to
others for some insight here, but doesn't that latter example defeat one of
the purposes of judging in the first place?

I am under the (possibly false) impression that one purpose of judging is to
reward desirable plants (sort of a "reverse culling" process), which
ultimately leads to replication of-, and further breeding of those desirable
traits. In that example, the grower "deceived" the judges, thereby
potentially leading to the proliferation of the legginess.

(I'll also have to say that I have sometimes seen plants I'd love to have
get totally passed over at judging, so maybe I would have liked the
legginess!)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!
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"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
...
I have seen cut flowers awarded. Zuma used to do shows on the east coast
and his display would often contain cut flowers. Often he received awards
on these cut flowers. I was also at judging where a grower, who was
present, received an AM on a cut stem yellow Phal. I asked the grower why
he had brought just the stem and get this. Seems he had brought the whole
plant to judging the year before and the plant was passed on with the
explanation that the stem was too long for the plant and flowers making the
whole thing seem leggy. Cutting the stem to a more normal length turned a
leggy plant into an AOS award winner.

Pat






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