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Phalguy 29-01-2005 03:04 PM

I can`t believe this!
 
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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J Fortuna 29-01-2005 03:14 PM

Claude,

Congratulations! That's great news.

As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since it
is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.

Joanna

"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



--









J Fortuna 29-01-2005 03:14 PM

Claude,

Congratulations! That's great news.

As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since it
is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.

Joanna

"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



--









Phalguy 29-01-2005 03:25 PM

Thank you Joanna!

Claude

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:eLNKd.292$zb.32@trnddc07...
| Claude,
|
| Congratulations! That's great news.
|
| As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
| say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since
it
| is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
| Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
| personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.
|
| Joanna
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
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|
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Ray 29-01-2005 03:33 PM

I doubt it, Claude.

My reasoning is that after a cold treatment, phals usually start spiking 6-8
weeks later. a month or so seems to short for any major reaction to a
culture change like spiking.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



--









Ray 29-01-2005 03:33 PM

I doubt it, Claude.

My reasoning is that after a cold treatment, phals usually start spiking 6-8
weeks later. a month or so seems to short for any major reaction to a
culture change like spiking.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



--









Al 29-01-2005 03:39 PM

The answers are "maybe" and "who"

It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer is
the cause of the spike.

(who)
subjective pronoun
a pronoun that performs an action

(whom)
objective pronoun
a pronoun that receives an action

Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
gender pronouns into it at all.

"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



--









Phalguy 29-01-2005 04:12 PM

Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
...
| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
|
|
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Phalguy 29-01-2005 04:12 PM

Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
...
| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
|
|
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|
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Al 29-01-2005 04:25 PM

Actually in your example we are dealing with neither the subjective nor
objective pronoun. We are dealing with a relative pronoun that you have
used to start the relative clause "who finished blooming 2 weeks ago"

In American speak the relative pronounes are, "who", 'that" and "which".
Relative pronouns do not have a gender. However, the words "that" and
"which" are used to refer back to an object that is not a person, but "who"
is often used also.

Deciding to use "that"or "which" is a matter of choice also, but if you can
determine if the relative clause is essential to the sentence or if it is
just a thought that is added on, you can chose which is *more* correct. Use
"that" when the relative phrase is essential. Use 'which" when the sentence
would make sense if the relative phase were omitted.

"whom" wold be wrong here no matter what.



"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
...
| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of
fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without
bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2
weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
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Mick Fournier 30-01-2005 08:39 PM

Al,

Would... not wold.

Mick



Al 30-01-2005 10:49 PM

And there are *two* other relative pronouns, if you can believe it!

"Mick Fournier" wrote in message
...
Al,

Would... not wold.

Mick





Mick Fournier 31-01-2005 02:28 AM

Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Me Here 03-02-2005 12:57 PM

Mick Fournier wrote:
Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here
are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)

Me Here 03-02-2005 12:57 PM

Mick Fournier wrote:
Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here
are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)

jadel 03-02-2005 01:39 PM


Me Here wrote:
Mick Fournier wrote:
Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here


are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)


Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col


Me Here 03-02-2005 02:14 PM

jadel wrote:
Me Here wrote:

Mick Fournier wrote:

Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here



are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)



Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col


Are you saying..."for yourself" or "of yourself"?

jadel 03-02-2005 02:44 PM


Me Here wrote:
jadel wrote:
Me Here wrote:

Mick Fournier wrote:

Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of

month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us

here


are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)



Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col


Are you saying..."for yourself" or "of yourself"?


"For" The implication is that you do not speak on my behalf.

J. Del Col


Reka 03-02-2005 05:30 PM

jadel wrote:
Me Here wrote:

Mick Fournier wrote:

Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here



are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)



Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col

Ditto.

--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

Mick Fournier 04-02-2005 02:25 AM

Many years ago I couldn't spell orchid grower... now I are one.

Mick



Reka 04-02-2005 06:01 AM

Mick Fournier wrote:
Many years ago I couldn't spell orchid grower... now I are one.

Mick


Good for youse, Mick.

--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

jadel 04-02-2005 12:37 PM


Mick Fournier wrote:
Many years ago I couldn't spell orchid grower... now I are one.

Mick


Ain't nobody can tell him nothin' 'bout raisin' no orchids!
(With apologies to Hattie McDaniel)

J. Del Col


Mick Fournier 05-02-2005 02:09 AM

Jadel,

Speaking of raisin orchids... I recently scored two nice flasks of the
hard-to-find Phalaenopsis violacea var coerulea (Krulls Navy Blue AM/AOS x
Crystelle HCC/AOS). I will be selling them on my website soon one plant per
flask for big, big bucks.

But at this orchid show in Miami last weekend I bought a bag of Aussie Gold
Orchid Mix from Irma Orchids in Miami 1-888-888-7108 or 1-305-936-0840 on a
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to tell you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears pH
friendly to everything, and it is real pretty in the compots. I potted up
two of these fat rare blue violaceas in it and within 30 minutes the
seedlings looked very happy (and you flask buyers know what I am talking
about as far as being happy). I have been looking for a one-stop seedling
mix for years that I could use straight out of the bag on everything, this
could be it. Tonight I am going to pop a jumbo flask of 100 Polyrrhiza
lindeni and just throw it in on top of this mix to see if this stuff will
work on ghost orchids.

This weekend I am going to try and buy another 10 bags. It does appear that
someone else can indeed tell me something about raisin' orchids.

Mick



Me Here 06-02-2005 01:50 PM

jadel wrote:
Me Here wrote:

jadel wrote:

Me Here wrote:


Mick Fournier wrote:


Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of


month

already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us


here


are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)


Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col


Are you saying..."for yourself" or "of yourself"?



"For" The implication is that you do not speak on my behalf.

J. Del Col


I see, I see! That is why it is a very good idea to have a few English
teacher here telling us how to write in proper English (once every
little while) lest we misunderstood each other; because if we are, our
orchids would not be happy either. :-)

Me Here 06-02-2005 01:53 PM

Me Here wrote:

jadel wrote:

Me Here wrote:

jadel wrote:

Me Here wrote:


Mick Fournier wrote:


Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick



Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of



month

already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us



here


are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)



Dormant? Speak for yourself.

J. Del Col


Are you saying..."for yourself" or "of yourself"?




"For" The implication is that you do not speak on my behalf.

J. Del Col


I see, I see! That is why it is a very good idea to have a few English
teacher here telling us how to write in proper English (once every
little while) lest we misunderstood each other; because if we are, our
orchids would not be happy either. :-)


See what I mean? It should read "... a few English teachers..."

jadel 06-02-2005 02:54 PM


Mick Fournier wrote:
Jadel,

But at this orchid show in Miami last weekend I bought a bag of

Aussie Gold
Orchid Mix from Irma Orchids in Miami 1-888-888-7108 or

1-305-936-0840 on a
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite

mix...


I started using diatomite, mostly straight but occasionally mixed with
bark,about a year ago. All the orchids I've repotted in it are doing
well, and I regret I didn't switch to it earlier.


J. Del Col


Rob Halgren 07-02-2005 02:57 PM

Mick Fournier wrote
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to tell you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears pH


So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)


--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

LittlefrogFarm - Growing the plants Rob likes. )


Mick Fournier 08-02-2005 12:15 AM

Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total mix to
figure out the other ingredients... I've just started a new project
management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping mall
and the pay is so good I haven't been too concerned on what I pay for
compotting material lately. Maybe next year I will figure the mix out if I
get some free time.

I must say though... this mix is the best I have seen in years for new
seedlings fresh out of the flask. I am amazed at how good it works. I also
like it because the bugs don't want to settle on or in it.

Mick

PS, Cattleyas rule.

===================




"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Mick Fournier wrote
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite

mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to tell

you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only

orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't

overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears pH


So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)

clip



jadel 08-02-2005 05:36 PM


Mick Fournier wrote:
Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips

the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total

mix to
figure out the other ingredients... Mick



According to the Aussie-Gold website, it is made of diatomite, coir
fiber, horticultural charcoal and perlite, with some added "secret
ingredients" which retain moisture and provide "micro-nutrients."

J. Del Col


Rob Halgren 08-02-2005 06:15 PM

jadel wrote:



According to the Aussie-Gold website, it is made of diatomite, coir
fiber, horticultural charcoal and perlite, with some added "secret
ingredients" which retain moisture and provide "micro-nutrients."

J. Del Col


Hmm... I have that technology too. I can re-build it. Stronger,
faster than before. For only.... Six million dollars! *grin*

Of course 4 million of that will be the shipping costs.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

LittlefrogFarm - Growing the plants Rob likes. )


profpam 08-02-2005 10:17 PM

"I've just started a new project management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping mall" Cheers and here's to your success Mick.

I have found that a mixture of orchid rock, diatomite, bark, perlite, and charcoal work for most species. Someone mentioned Brassavola nodos --"Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called 'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...)." These do well for me (on the edge of the desert and the foothills of the mountains) mounted on cork. They do well with some shade.

.. . . Pam
Everything Orchid Management System http://home.earthlink.net/~profpam/page3.html




Mick Fournier wrote:

Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total mix to
figure out the other ingredients... I've just started a new project
management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping mall
and the pay is so good I haven't been too concerned on what I pay for
compotting material lately. Maybe next year I will figure the mix out if I
get some free time.

I must say though... this mix is the best I have seen in years for new
seedlings fresh out of the flask. I am amazed at how good it works. I also
like it because the bugs don't want to settle on or in it.

Mick

PS, Cattleyas rule.

===================




"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...


Mick Fournier wrote


whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite


mix...


I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to tell


you


all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only


orchid


really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't


overwater


this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears pH


So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)


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Chris Savas 08-02-2005 11:55 PM


Does anyone know if diatomite chips are synonomus with diatomacious (spelling
?) earth? Somewhere in the very back of my memory, I learned that bugs
don't like habitating on diatomacious earth, again, because of the sharp
edges/points.

Good growing.
Chris




In article , "Mick Fournier"
wrote:
Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total mix to
figure out the other ingredients... I've just started a new project
management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping mall
and the pay is so good I haven't been too concerned on what I pay for
compotting material lately. Maybe next year I will figure the mix out if I
get some free time.

I must say though... this mix is the best I have seen in years for new
seedlings fresh out of the flask. I am amazed at how good it works. I also
like it because the bugs don't want to settle on or in it.

Mick

PS, Cattleyas rule.

===================




"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Mick Fournier wrote
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite

mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to tell

you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only

orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't

overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears pH


So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)

clip



Ray 09-02-2005 03:38 AM

Very fresh diatomaceous earth - the skeletons of ocean diatoms- have lots of
really sharp spikes on them. That is what discourages snails and slugs.

Diatomite is a mud of freshwater diatoms that has been pumped and calcined
and crushed, and is in the form of large chunks. All the sharp spikes are
long gone, if they existed in those species in the first place.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Chris Savas" wrote in message
...

Does anyone know if diatomite chips are synonomus with diatomacious
(spelling
?) earth? Somewhere in the very back of my memory, I learned that bugs
don't like habitating on diatomacious earth, again, because of the sharp
edges/points.

Good growing.
Chris




In article , "Mick Fournier"
wrote:
Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total mix
to
figure out the other ingredients... I've just started a new project
management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping
mall
and the pay is so good I haven't been too concerned on what I pay for
compotting material lately. Maybe next year I will figure the mix out if
I
get some free time.

I must say though... this mix is the best I have seen in years for new
seedlings fresh out of the flask. I am amazed at how good it works. I
also
like it because the bugs don't want to settle on or in it.

Mick

PS, Cattleyas rule.

===================




"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Mick Fournier wrote
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite

mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to
tell

you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only

orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't

overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears
pH

So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)

clip





Lady Blacksword 25-02-2005 06:53 AM

And anyone who has had a fish tank whose filter used diatomaceous earth
probably knows that breathing in even tiny amounts of the stuff will shred
your lungs like ground up glass.
Murri

"Ray" wrote in message
...
Very fresh diatomaceous earth - the skeletons of ocean diatoms- have lots
of really sharp spikes on them. That is what discourages snails and
slugs.

Diatomite is a mud of freshwater diatoms that has been pumped and calcined
and crushed, and is in the form of large chunks. All the sharp spikes are
long gone, if they existed in those species in the first place.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Chris Savas" wrote in message
...

Does anyone know if diatomite chips are synonomus with diatomacious
(spelling
?) earth? Somewhere in the very back of my memory, I learned that bugs
don't like habitating on diatomacious earth, again, because of the
sharp
edges/points.

Good growing.
Chris




In article , "Mick Fournier"
wrote:
Rob,

I haven't reverse engineered the mix
www.aussie-gold.com

It looks like some of that brick peat moss mixed with diatomite chips the
size of a dime. I haven't really looked all that close at the total mix
to
figure out the other ingredients... I've just started a new project
management job on overseeing the construction of a $53 million shopping
mall
and the pay is so good I haven't been too concerned on what I pay for
compotting material lately. Maybe next year I will figure the mix out if
I
get some free time.

I must say though... this mix is the best I have seen in years for new
seedlings fresh out of the flask. I am amazed at how good it works. I
also
like it because the bugs don't want to settle on or in it.

Mick

PS, Cattleyas rule.

===================




"Rob Halgren" wrote in message
...
Mick Fournier wrote
whim for $18. It is primarily the Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite
mix...
I tried it on seedlings coming right out of the flask and I want to
tell
you
all this stuff is gold. Great drainage, Cattleyas (which is the only
orchid
really worth collecting incidentally) and Phals love it, you can't
overwater
this mix for some inherent reason in its natural make-up, it appears
pH

So Mick, what is Van-Rolen Horticultural diatomite mix? Do you know
the
recipe? I can't afford the Aussie stuff and they ain't sayin'.

Brassavola nodosa is one of the few cattleyas actually worth
collecting... And Laelia purpurata. All those non-pouched, so called
'orchids' tend to be a bit boring to me. *grin* (I'm pushing
somebody's buttons, I'm sure...).

Rob (paph-rat)
clip







jadel 25-02-2005 01:01 PM


Lady Blacksword wrote:
And anyone who has had a fish tank whose filter used diatomaceous

earth
probably knows that breathing in even tiny amounts of the stuff will

shred
your lungs like ground up glass.
Murri



And anyone familiar with diatomite knows the likelihood of breathing in
rocks is just about zero.

Diatomite is rinsed before use.


J. Del Col


Ray 25-02-2005 02:10 PM

I believe she was referring to the powdered diatomaceous earth, not
diatomite.

However, as diatomite is also essentially pure silica, and when dry is quite
dusty, especially after shipping, breathing the dust from that can be
damaging as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"jadel" wrote in message
ups.com...

Lady Blacksword wrote:
And anyone who has had a fish tank whose filter used diatomaceous

earth
probably knows that breathing in even tiny amounts of the stuff will

shred
your lungs like ground up glass.
Murri



And anyone familiar with diatomite knows the likelihood of breathing in
rocks is just about zero.

Diatomite is rinsed before use.


J. Del Col




Lady Blacksword 27-02-2005 06:41 PM

Thanks Ray. And yes, I was.
Murri
"Ray" wrote in message
...
I believe she was referring to the powdered diatomaceous earth, not
diatomite.

However, as diatomite is also essentially pure silica, and when dry is
quite dusty, especially after shipping, breathing the dust from that can
be damaging as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"jadel" wrote in message
ups.com...

Lady Blacksword wrote:
And anyone who has had a fish tank whose filter used diatomaceous

earth
probably knows that breathing in even tiny amounts of the stuff will

shred
your lungs like ground up glass.
Murri



And anyone familiar with diatomite knows the likelihood of breathing in
rocks is just about zero.

Diatomite is rinsed before use.


J. Del Col






Lady Blacksword 27-02-2005 06:41 PM

Thanks Ray. And yes, I was.
Murri
"Ray" wrote in message
...
I believe she was referring to the powdered diatomaceous earth, not
diatomite.

However, as diatomite is also essentially pure silica, and when dry is
quite dusty, especially after shipping, breathing the dust from that can
be damaging as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"jadel" wrote in message
ups.com...

Lady Blacksword wrote:
And anyone who has had a fish tank whose filter used diatomaceous

earth
probably knows that breathing in even tiny amounts of the stuff will

shred
your lungs like ground up glass.
Murri



And anyone familiar with diatomite knows the likelihood of breathing in
rocks is just about zero.

Diatomite is rinsed before use.


J. Del Col







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