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Old 29-01-2005, 03:04 PM
Phalguy
 
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Default I can`t believe this!

hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 03:14 PM
J Fortuna
 
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Claude,

Congratulations! That's great news.

As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since it
is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.

Joanna

"Phalguy" wrote in message
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hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 03:14 PM
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Claude,

Congratulations! That's great news.

As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since it
is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.

Joanna

"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Phalguy
 
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Thank you Joanna!

Claude

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
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| Claude,
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| Congratulations! That's great news.
|
| As for the grammar question. If Phal Penang Girl were a person, you would
| say: "my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks ago", but since
it
| is an orchid and not a human being, the proper grammar is ""my Phal Penang
| Girl, which finished blooming 2 weeks ago". Of course, if you want to
| personify your orchid, it's ok to use "who" I guess.
|
| Joanna
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
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| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
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Old 29-01-2005, 03:33 PM
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I doubt it, Claude.

My reasoning is that after a cold treatment, phals usually start spiking 6-8
weeks later. a month or so seems to short for any major reaction to a
culture change like spiking.

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"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 03:33 PM
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I doubt it, Claude.

My reasoning is that after a cold treatment, phals usually start spiking 6-8
weeks later. a month or so seems to short for any major reaction to a
culture change like spiking.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 03:39 PM
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The answers are "maybe" and "who"

It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer is
the cause of the spike.

(who)
subjective pronoun
a pronoun that performs an action

(whom)
objective pronoun
a pronoun that receives an action

Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
gender pronouns into it at all.

"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
hello everyone!

I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?

I like that!

Claude


PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?



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Old 29-01-2005, 04:12 PM
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Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
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| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
|
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Old 29-01-2005, 04:12 PM
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Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
...
| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2 weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
|
|
| --
|
|
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Old 29-01-2005, 04:25 PM
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Actually in your example we are dealing with neither the subjective nor
objective pronoun. We are dealing with a relative pronoun that you have
used to start the relative clause "who finished blooming 2 weeks ago"

In American speak the relative pronounes are, "who", 'that" and "which".
Relative pronouns do not have a gender. However, the words "that" and
"which" are used to refer back to an object that is not a person, but "who"
is often used also.

Deciding to use "that"or "which" is a matter of choice also, but if you can
determine if the relative clause is essential to the sentence or if it is
just a thought that is added on, you can chose which is *more* correct. Use
"that" when the relative phrase is essential. Use 'which" when the sentence
would make sense if the relative phase were omitted.

"whom" wold be wrong here no matter what.



"Phalguy" wrote in message
...
Thank you everyone!

I don`t know why it`s spiking again but I am quite happy!

Thank you also for the grammar lesson :-)

Claude

"Al" wrote in message
...
| The answers are "maybe" and "who"
|
| It is impossible to say with 100% certainty that that brand of
fertilizer
is
| the cause of the spike.
|
| (who)
| subjective pronoun
| a pronoun that performs an action
|
| (whom)
| objective pronoun
| a pronoun that receives an action
|
| Actually I think the word "that" in this case would work without
bringing
| gender pronouns into it at all.
|
| "Phalguy" wrote in message
| ...
| hello everyone!
|
| I switched to MSU fertilizer about 4 to 5 weeks ago!
| This morning, I found my Phal Penang Girl, who finished blooming 2
weeks
| ago, growing another flower spike!!! Is this related to the new MSU?
|
| I like that!
|
| Claude
|
|
| PS: BTW, should I say who finished blooming or whom finished blooming?
|
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Old 30-01-2005, 08:39 PM
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Al,

Would... not wold.

Mick


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Old 30-01-2005, 10:49 PM
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And there are *two* other relative pronouns, if you can believe it!

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Al,

Would... not wold.

Mick




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Old 31-01-2005, 02:28 AM
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Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


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Old 03-02-2005, 12:57 PM
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Mick Fournier wrote:
Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here
are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)
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Mick Fournier wrote:
Al,

We all do enjoy a good pronoun once in a while.

Mick


Being a 'passive' participant of this NG for several dozens of month
already,it is quite heartening to know that quite a number of us here
are actually 'dormant' English teachers. :-)
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