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Cattleya schoderae var citrina... they bloom for Easter
If you are a wishy washy newbie just poking around in RGO trying to decide
if you want to get involved in orchids or not, take my advice... stop now and go look for a more exciting worthwhile hobby. There are much more interesting things to do in life than raising orchids. Orchids will turn you into a slave. Believe me. Go back... click out of this news group and count yourself lucky. The rest of you'se guys... (and if you hate hybrids as much as I do) then click on this: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/f...raecitrina.jpg Yeeee-ha Mick HBI, Producers of Fine Orchids in Flask www.OrchidFlask.com |
Good advice to the newbies, Mick. But then, you showed them that magnificent
Catt, you devil, you! Diana |
Very nice. Someday you need to get a high-speed connection and join us on
a.b.p.o. -danny "Mick Fournier" wrote in message .. . If you are a wishy washy newbie just poking around in RGO trying to decide if you want to get involved in orchids or not, take my advice... stop now and go look for a more exciting worthwhile hobby. There are much more interesting things to do in life than raising orchids. Orchids will turn you into a slave. Believe me. Go back... click out of this news group and count yourself lucky. The rest of you'se guys... (and if you hate hybrids as much as I do) then click on this: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/f...raecitrina.jpg Yeeee-ha Mick HBI, Producers of Fine Orchids in Flask www.OrchidFlask.com |
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:18:29 -0500, "Mick Fournier"
wrote: If you are a wishy washy newbie just poking around in RGO trying to decide if you want to get involved in orchids or not, take my advice... stop now and go look for a more exciting worthwhile hobby. There are much more interesting things to do in life than raising orchids. Orchids will turn you into a slave. Believe me. Go back... click out of this news group and count yourself lucky. The rest of you'se guys... (and if you hate hybrids as much as I do) then click on this: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/f...raecitrina.jpg Yeeee-ha Mick HBI, Producers of Fine Orchids in Flask www.OrchidFlask.com Ya, and that is going to slow anyone down. Only if it causes heart failure. Good to hear from you. What is new in flask land? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Diana,
They weren't suppose to look. Mick |
Danny,
I have a DSL connection... I just claim I have a dial-up when some goof butt uploads a graphic on RGO. Mick |
Sue,
I can't keep the Cattleya violacea var semi alba (Icabaru x Hector Luis) flasks on the shelf... they are hot. The Taiwanese and Europeans buy them as fast as I can replate them up. Look at this red nose... click on: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/f...ea_icabaru.jpg The Cattleya lawrenceana var coerulea Aulisi in flask are selling great. South Americans are demanding them, surprisingly. I have 44 customers on the waiting list for 10-plant hobby flasks of ghost orchids, but same problem there too. The Chinese and far east growers are buying the bigger 50 and 100 plants before I can even break them down into smaller bottles. I like seeing the Euro so strong against the dollar. Sales of flasks are good to "old" Europa, with the exception of the UK... cheap ass brits never buy anything. They ask for a lot of quotes/questions though. I have had it with Canadians and stopped shipping anything to Canada. I am half Canadian and I have rescinded this ban three times in the last three years, but this is it... I mean it now, I will never ship flasks to Canadians again. I just crossed this C schroderae with another citrina so maybe next year I will offer this one too in flask... the fragrance is outstanding. HBI is trying to get the C percivaliana var coerulea back in the catalog with hobby flasks... but like George Bush says, "Ittttt'ssss hard, it's hard work". That's the news. Mick =================== "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:18:29 -0500, "Mick Fournier" wrote: Ya, and that is going to slow anyone down. Only if it causes heart failure. Good to hear from you. What is new in flask land? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Shipping/hassle is too much to bother with for seedlings especially for a
hobby grower.Probably worth the cost/hassle if they were to be grown on and sold.I thought you hated hybrids,you seem to have a few to sell! -- Thanks Keith,England,UK. "Mick Fournier" wrote in message ... Sue, I can't keep the Cattleya violacea var semi alba (Icabaru x Hector Luis) flasks on the shelf... they are hot. The Taiwanese and Europeans buy them as fast as I can replate them up. Look at this red nose... click on: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/f...ea_icabaru.jpg The Cattleya lawrenceana var coerulea Aulisi in flask are selling great. South Americans are demanding them, surprisingly. I have 44 customers on the waiting list for 10-plant hobby flasks of ghost orchids, but same problem there too. The Chinese and far east growers are buying the bigger 50 and 100 plants before I can even break them down into smaller bottles. I like seeing the Euro so strong against the dollar. Sales of flasks are good to "old" Europa, with the exception of the UK... cheap ass brits never buy anything. They ask for a lot of quotes/questions though. I have had it with Canadians and stopped shipping anything to Canada. I am half Canadian and I have rescinded this ban three times in the last three years, but this is it... I mean it now, I will never ship flasks to Canadians again. I just crossed this C schroderae with another citrina so maybe next year I will offer this one too in flask... the fragrance is outstanding. HBI is trying to get the C percivaliana var coerulea back in the catalog with hobby flasks... but like George Bush says, "Ittttt'ssss hard, it's hard work". That's the news. Mick =================== "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:18:29 -0500, "Mick Fournier" wrote: Ya, and that is going to slow anyone down. Only if it causes heart failure. Good to hear from you. What is new in flask land? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Oh! That violacea! I'm in love again. I know. Fickle, fickle.
DK |
Keith,
There is still a few hybrids left in the catalog... there used to be 60 different hybrid selections, but not now. Once these last few remaining ones are gone I will be rid of hybrids altogether. I have not made a new hybrid cross in 4 years actually. Mick |
Good for you Mick I also love my species,but don't hate hybrids as long as
they have a name.I don't go for NOIDS !I have a few from my first orchids I got but you learn & progress as the little suckers draw you in!! PS no need for a dig at us brits! -- Thanks Keith,England,UK. "Mick Fournier" wrote in message ... Keith, There is still a few hybrids left in the catalog... there used to be 60 different hybrid selections, but not now. Once these last few remaining ones are gone I will be rid of hybrids altogether. I have not made a new hybrid cross in 4 years actually. Mick |
keith ;-) wrote:
Good for you Mick I also love my species,but don't hate hybrids as long as they have a name.I don't go for NOIDS !I have a few from my first orchids I got but you learn & progress as the little suckers draw you in!! PS no need for a dig at us brits! But of course those line bred species cattleyas are about as close to the 'original species' as any hybrid. *grin* After a dozen generations in captivity they probably wouldn't survive 10 minutes in the native habitat. Just poking a stick into the hornet nest... -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Rob,
I beg your pardon... did you really just say (or insinuate) on this public forum in front of thousands of viewers/my_customers that the Cattleya species I sell on my website are not species and as far from being a species as any hybrid? Just say yes or no. Mick ============================= "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... keith ;-) wrote: Good for you Mick I also love my species,but don't hate hybrids as long as they have a name.I don't go for NOIDS !I have a few from my first orchids I got but you learn & progress as the little suckers draw you in!! PS no need for a dig at us brits! But of course those line bred species cattleyas are about as close to the 'original species' as any hybrid. *grin* After a dozen generations in captivity they probably wouldn't survive 10 minutes in the native habitat. Just poking a stick into the hornet nest... -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
It would really suck to find out you hated species as much as you hate
hybrids. oh well "Mick Fournier" wrote in message . .. Rob, I beg your pardon... did you really just say (or insinuate) on this public forum in front of thousands of viewers/my_customers that the Cattleya species I sell on my website are not species and as far from being a species as any hybrid? Just say yes or no. Mick ============================= "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... keith ;-) wrote: Good for you Mick I also love my species,but don't hate hybrids as long as they have a name.I don't go for NOIDS !I have a few from my first orchids I got but you learn & progress as the little suckers draw you in!! PS no need for a dig at us brits! But of course those line bred species cattleyas are about as close to the 'original species' as any hybrid. *grin* After a dozen generations in captivity they probably wouldn't survive 10 minutes in the native habitat. Just poking a stick into the hornet nest... -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Pat,
My whole business is devoted to preserving and perpetuating the absolute best of species. Cattleya species are especially important to me... it is hard for me for to adequately express just how upset I am at this moment. I am waiting patiently right here for Rob Halgren to respond to my question. Mick ============================= "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... It would really suck to find out you hated species as much as you hate hybrids. oh well "Mick Fournier" wrote in message . .. Rob, I beg your pardon... did you really just say (or insinuate) on this public forum in front of thousands of viewers/my_customers that the Cattleya species I sell on my website are not species and as far from being a species as any hybrid? Just say yes or no. Mick ============================= "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... keith ;-) wrote: Good for you Mick I also love my species,but don't hate hybrids as long as they have a name.I don't go for NOIDS !I have a few from my first orchids I got but you learn & progress as the little suckers draw you in!! PS no need for a dig at us brits! But of course those line bred species cattleyas are about as close to the 'original species' as any hybrid. *grin* After a dozen generations in captivity they probably wouldn't survive 10 minutes in the native habitat. Just poking a stick into the hornet nest... -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Mick Fournier wrote:
Pat, My whole business is devoted to preserving and perpetuating the absolute best of species. Cattleya species are especially important to me... it is hard for me for to adequately express just how upset I am at this moment. I am waiting patiently right here for Rob Halgren to respond to my question. Oh Mick, you know I like to push buttons. I must have found one. I don't know about your Cattleya species, or what your breeding program is like. And devoting your life to cattleya species is an admirable thing, more people should be as committed to various orchid genera. But, my point was that there has been a lot of line breeding in cattleyas (and phalaenopsis, and paphiopedilum, and anything else that is worth having). It is my contention, however, that line breeding of any species leads to results that are not typical of a wild type population. In fact, due to abnormal selection pressures (big, flat, color), you end up with a final product that can be very distant from the original species. Heck, right now I have two Paph sukhakulii that have flowers that are twice as big as anything you would find in the jungle, and far better colored. And I love them to death. But they don't represent the species all that well. Now, is this good or bad? Depends. From a horticultural perspective, probably good. Line breeding intensifies desirable characteristics. It is certainly true that (for example) the latest generation Cattleya walkeriana are far bigger and better formed than anything you would find in a jungle. They are easier to grow, as well. This all leads to increased popularity, which is excellent. From a conservation perspective, line breeding is probably a very bad thing. We lose characteristics (desirable or not) that we will never get back. Once you breed an allele out of a population you can't recover it. We might need that allele some day. Bananas (obviously they are not orchids) have this problem, those yellow Cavendish bananas that everybody buys at the supermarket are highly prone to a specific disease that is spreading like wildfire. But every banana plantation on the planet is planting an exact copy of the Cavendish banana. So there isn't the genetic diversity out there to select a resistant clone. Bananas are doomed!!! At least the ones we love to eat. Without some serious genetic modifications, anyway (already in progress, have no fear). But Mick, before your aorta pops, I'm not making a value judgment about your plants. Any species orchid is worth keeping, line bred or not. And the highly selected ones enhance the popularity of the species, which is always good. But, from a purely genetic point of view, it is probably good to also keep as many of the 'less desirable' clones as possible, or at least the ones that represent as much of the natural diversity as possible. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:36:03 -0400, Rob Halgren
wrote: Mick Fournier wrote: Pat, My whole business is devoted to preserving and perpetuating the absolute best of species. Cattleya species are especially important to me... it is hard for me for to adequately express just how upset I am at this moment. Oh Mick, you know I like to push buttons. I must have found one. I don't know about your Cattleya species, or what your breeding program is like. And devoting your life to cattleya species is an admirable thing, more people should be as committed to various orchid genera. But, my point was that there has been a lot of line breeding in cattleyas (and phalaenopsis, and paphiopedilum, and anything else that is worth having). It is my contention, however, that line breeding of any species leads to results that are not typical of a wild type population. In fact, due to abnormal selection pressures (big, flat, color), you end up with a final product that can be very distant from the original species. Heck, right now I have two Paph sukhakulii that have flowers that are twice as big as anything you would find in the jungle, and far better colored. And I love them to death. But they don't represent the species all that well. But Mick, before your aorta pops, I'm not making a value judgment about your plants. Any species orchid is worth keeping, line bred or not. And the highly selected ones enhance the popularity of the species, which is always good. But, from a purely genetic point of view, it is probably good to also keep as many of the 'less desirable' clones as possible, or at least the ones that represent as much of the natural diversity as possible. Ok - I agree with the theory Rob is talking about. But I also know that we are not the experts on what is or is not lost in this type of breeding. Not long ago it was reported that a pair that both displayed the recessive (desired) characteristic were breed and the resulting population had 1/4 or 1/3 that reverted to the 'absent' dominant character. This character had been "breed out" of the parents and should not have been available to surface. Mother Nature still has the top hand in all of this. When we breed to intensify color or any other characteristic we are in effect hybridizing to create a more beautiful species. Yes, I would do it if I could. It is the nature of the beast (man) to selective breed what he wants to see in his plants. As long as we say species x species is still species we are going to 'beautify' the species. Heck, I would love a C. aurantiaca that did not self before I could enjoy the color and line. I am all for species that carry the desirable characteristics. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Susan Erickson wrote:
Ok - I agree with the theory Rob is talking about. But I also know that we are not the experts on what is or is not lost in this type of breeding. Not long ago it was reported that a pair that both displayed the recessive (desired) characteristic were breed and the resulting population had 1/4 or 1/3 that reverted to the 'absent' dominant character. This character had been "breed out" of the parents and should not have been available to surface. Mother Nature still has the top hand in all of this. I assume you are talking about the recent hubbub about plant genetics that was released a few weeks ago. This gets more and more blown out of proportion every time I hear it... So, if I read the initial reports correctly (I'm working from a copy of the paper), this experiment was done in Arabidopsis thaliana (a common lab plant). The crosses were actually selfings of plants homozygous at a given mutant recessive allele (Called 'HOTHEAD', no, i don't know why). The mutant allele designated hth, the 'wild type' allele HTH. So, these plants were hth/hth. The scientists noticed that a non-trivial percentage of the offspring were hth/HTH (heterozygous). This is, of course, not possible. *grin* However, the percentages weren't 25-33% reversion. The authors report 10% (the number is getting exaggerated over time). Mendelian genetics dictates that we can only inherit the alleles that our parents have. So, this is a really big deal. It should be impossible for hth/hth to give rise to hth/HTH progeny. There are a number of possible explanations given, the practical upshot of which is there is a lot of work to be done. One of the best theories right now is that there are long lived RNA molecules in the cell (remember, DNA-RNA-protein) that serve as a template to 'correct' mutations at this HOTHEAD locus. That would be interesting... But, before we throw Gregor Mendel out the window with his peas, we need to confirm this result for other gene loci. So far, it has only been observed at this one. And only in arabidopsis (not in other plants, not in animals, not anywhere else...). It can't be that common an occurance, or somebody would have noticed it before. Anyway, I think it is a far leap from this paper to suggest that there is some sort of mystical force of mother nature that keeps genetic diversity silenced in some fashion, ready for expression whenever the plant needs it. Some small percentage of genes might have this 'backup' capacity, but even with the best explainations we have for the hothead phenomenon so far, this backup capacity would be corrupted or lost over more than a few generations. I think for most purposes, mendelian genetics will still hold. Just like for most purposes Newtonian physics works (but we need quantum mechanics for really small stuff). Genetics is still a complicated and mysterious thing, anybody who claims to have it figured out hasn't been paying enough attention. When we breed to intensify color or any other characteristic we are in effect hybridizing to create a more beautiful species. Yes, I would do it if I could. It is the nature of the beast (man) to selective breed what he wants to see in his plants. As long as we say species x species is still species we are going to 'beautify' the species. Heck, I would love a C. aurantiaca that did not self before I could enjoy the color and line. I am all for species that carry the desirable characteristics. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php That was exactly my point, said far more adeptly than I could. We are hybridizing when we breed species. -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Rob,
Toothpick, toothpick... wake up, arise. Time to go to work again. Mick |
Hi list,
Sorry for the bother but can someone out there please give me the full award description for Phalaenopsis Little Emperor 'Lee' AM/AOS? Thanks very much in advance. Cheers, Xi |
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:49:46 -0400, Rob Halgren
wrote: So, if I read the initial reports correctly (I'm working from a copy of the paper), this experiment was done in Arabidopsis thaliana (a common The authors report 10% (the number is getting exaggerated over time). Thanks for the correction and the lesson. Glad to hear it is only one experiment and the old rules are still the rules of the road. It was a bit of a scary thought that such things could "come back". SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Susan Erickson wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:49:46 -0400, Rob Halgren wrote: So, if I read the initial reports correctly (I'm working from a copy of the paper), this experiment was done in Arabidopsis thaliana (a common The authors report 10% (the number is getting exaggerated over time). Thanks for the correction and the lesson. Glad to hear it is only one experiment and the old rules are still the rules of the road. It was a bit of a scary thought that such things could "come back". SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php An interesting experiment, though. And well documented. But, as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I think the old rules of the road are still mainly in force, there may be some local ordinances that get in the way in some places... Call them speed traps. *grin* -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:36:30 -0400, Rob Halgren
wrote: An interesting experiment, though. And well documented. But, as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I think the old rules of the road are still mainly in force, there may be some local ordinances that get in the way in some places... Call them speed traps. *grin* Speaking of speed traps... Are you going to make it to Minneapolis? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Susan Erickson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:36:30 -0400, Rob Halgren wrote: An interesting experiment, though. And well documented. But, as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I think the old rules of the road are still mainly in force, there may be some local ordinances that get in the way in some places... Call them speed traps. *grin* Speaking of speed traps... Are you going to make it to Minneapolis? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php Yes, I'm planning on it, although I never did get my registration in. *grin* Although since I've never seen airfares as usurious as those charged to get to Minneapolis, I'm going to drive. My own form of protest. It must be a one airline city... So I may find a few literal speed traps. If anybody between me (in Lansing, MI) and Minneapolis is looking for a ride to the AOS meeting, I could probably pick up some hitchhikers. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:52:22 GMT, Xi Wang
wrote: Hi list, Sorry for the bother but can someone out there please give me the full award description for Phalaenopsis Little Emperor 'Lee' AM/AOS? Thanks very much in advance. Cheers, Xi Phalaenopsis Little Emperor 'Lee' AM/AOS 82 pts Sogo Lit-Angel x Golden Amboin Twenty flowers of unusual and beautiful color and eight buds on two inflorescences; sepals and petals warm apricot yellow dusted with very fine red spots; lip rich orange, midlobe shading yellow to white apically, side lobes bordered brightly with orange and speckled red. Nat. Spread 7.0 Nat Vertica 7.0 Ds-Wide 2.40 Ds-Long 3.80 Petal-Wide 3.2 Petal-Long 3.4 Ls-wide 2.2 ls-Long 3.4 Lip wide 1.6 LIp long 2.8 Exhibitor Lee Shyh Hau, Matou, Taihas Hsien, Taiwan, Republic of China Judged at South Taiwan Orchid Show, Taman Hsien, Taiwan, Republic of China Date awarded 4/5/1996 SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Rob and Sue,
Wisconsin is where you don't speed from what I understand. I'm usually about 10 over on the freeways and the cars are flying by in the Twin Cities. Looking at http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/...y.asp?state=MN Colorado looks more dangerous. Hope you meet you both. Enjoy your stay. Bob "Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Susan Erickson wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:36:30 -0400, Rob Halgren wrote: An interesting experiment, though. And well documented. But, as always, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I think the old rules of the road are still mainly in force, there may be some local ordinances that get in the way in some places... Call them speed traps. *grin* Speaking of speed traps... Are you going to make it to Minneapolis? SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php Yes, I'm planning on it, although I never did get my registration in. *grin* Although since I've never seen airfares as usurious as those charged to get to Minneapolis, I'm going to drive. My own form of protest. It must be a one airline city... So I may find a few literal speed traps. If anybody between me (in Lansing, MI) and Minneapolis is looking for a ride to the AOS meeting, I could probably pick up some hitchhikers. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:18:59 -0500, "Bob Walsh"
wrote: Rob and Sue, Wisconsin is where you don't speed from what I understand. I'm usually about 10 over on the freeways and the cars are flying by in the Twin Cities. Looking at http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/...y.asp?state=MN Colorado looks more dangerous. Hope you meet you both. Enjoy your stay. Bob I grew up in Wisconsin (Madison) so I will agree. Hold that speed limit to 5 over on I90. We are flying. I have great faith in MN weather in April. Ours is bad enough - they are predicting snow in Denver for Sunday. We still have 65 at 8pm tonight. Spring in Colorado. The only thing that changes temperature faster is Summer in Colorado. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Well, I hope both you and Rob can fill me in on the discussion at the
Wednesday Judges Forum. Those are my favorite part of Members meetings. Alas, I won't be in attendance. Guess I'll have to see you both at Sonoma, where I'll buy you both a nice glass(es) of wine from our local wineries. K Barrett "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:18:59 -0500, "Bob Walsh" wrote: Rob and Sue, Wisconsin is where you don't speed from what I understand. I'm usually about 10 over on the freeways and the cars are flying by in the Twin Cities. Looking at http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/...y.asp?state=MN Colorado looks more dangerous. Hope you meet you both. Enjoy your stay. Bob I grew up in Wisconsin (Madison) so I will agree. Hold that speed limit to 5 over on I90. We are flying. I have great faith in MN weather in April. Ours is bad enough - they are predicting snow in Denver for Sunday. We still have 65 at 8pm tonight. Spring in Colorado. The only thing that changes temperature faster is Summer in Colorado. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
What's happening in Sonoma and when?
Dave K Barrett ) wrote: : Well, I hope both you and Rob can fill me in on the discussion at the : Wednesday Judges Forum. Those are my favorite part of Members meetings. : Alas, I won't be in attendance. Guess I'll have to see you both at Sonoma, : where I'll buy you both a nice glass(es) of wine from our local wineries. : K Barrett : "Susan Erickson" wrote in message : ... : On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:18:59 -0500, "Bob Walsh" : wrote: : : Rob and Sue, : : Wisconsin is where you don't speed from what I understand. : : I'm usually about 10 over on the freeways and the cars are flying by in : the : Twin Cities. : : Looking at http://www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/...y.asp?state=MN : Colorado looks more dangerous. : : Hope you meet you both. Enjoy your stay. : : Bob : : I grew up in Wisconsin (Madison) so I will agree. Hold that : speed limit to 5 over on I90. : : We are flying. I have great faith in MN weather in April. Ours : is bad enough - they are predicting snow in Denver for Sunday. : We still have 65 at 8pm tonight. Spring in Colorado. The only : thing that changes temperature faster is Summer in Colorado. : : SuE : http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Susan Erickson ) wrote:
: AOS Fall meeting Oct. 12-16 2005. See you there. Speaking of shows is anyone going to the Sacramento Orchid Society show this weekend (4/16-17)? Dave |
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