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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
Hi:
I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. I notice that many fruits [excluding apples & cantaloupes] emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? I've done as much research as I can on this but not gotten anywhere. This isn't a homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal interest. I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? It could not be putricine. Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but totally different from that of ripe fruits. To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though. Its also not ethylene - a chemical used to speed ripening. Ethylene has a sweet pleasant smell to it. I have smelled it myself in a lab. It's beautiful. Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. I notice the stink especially in canned fruits. Most fresh fruits don't have as much of a strong stink even when ripe. However, canned fruits [often dripping in syrup] have an unbearable stench to me. Maybe it is something to do with the sugar? I don't know. I do know that it has nothing to do with the metals of the can or the effects of the metals on the fruit/syrup. Perhaps the ripe substances are more concentrated in the can, than when fresh. Why do canned ripe fruits stink more badly than fresh ripe fruits? Also, it can't be ethanol. I like the smell of ethanol. I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. I've taken smell tests in my organic chemistry lab. I've takes organic chemistry as a course in my college. Long list of chemicals I've gone through. Still no answer to the stench of ripe fruits. In addition, none of the chemicals I sniffed even remotely smell like ripe fruit. My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of different organic substances, excluding both the following chemicals and their effects on other chemicals: 1. putricine [or any amines] 2. ethylene [sweet smell] 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] 4. chemicals resulting from fungus 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition [including bacterial decay] 6. Hydrocarbons [compounds containing only Carbon and Hydrogen] 7. Alcohols [organic compounds with attached OH hydroxide molecule] 8. Chemicals that specifically result from -- or are affected by -- rancidity 9. Inorganic substances -- such as metals 10. Effects of inorganic substances on organic substances I have tried tiresomely searching on google but there are no websites that have an answer to my question. Also, I've noticed that most ripe fruits do not have to be rotten in order to give off the foul odors I sense. Simply being ripe causes the odor. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. If this is out of your expertise would you please give me an idea of who could answer my question? No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the jokes, off-topic nonsense, exaggerations, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am really interested in this. I am 23 years old, free-of-brain-tumors, but have a neurological disability called Asperger's Syndrome. I would like to give you some information about my disability. The reason I am posting this message about Asperger's is to help avoid any potential misunderstandings [though it's probably too late]. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social interactions. People with AS see the world differently and this can often bring them in conflict with conventional ways of thinking. They have difficulty in reading body language, and interpreting subtle cues. In my situation, I have significant difficulty with natural conversation, reading social cues, and maintaining eye contact. This can lead to a great deal of misunderstanding about my intent or my behavior. For example, I may not always know what to say in social situations, so I may look away or may not say anything. I also may not always respond quickly when asked direct questions, but if given time I am able express my ideas. On Usenet, the text-equivalent of my disability is probably noticed. I do apologize profusely, for any inconvenience it causes. Thank you very much in advance for your understanding, cooperation, and assistance. Thanks, Radium |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 27, 7:47 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. http://www.osha.gov/dts/sltc/methods...42/pv2142.html According to the above link, isoamyl acetate smells like pears or bananas. Wrong chemical. http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguide...cognition.html According to the above link, ethyl acetate has a pleasant fruity odor. Again, wrong chemical. Neither ethyl acetate or isoamyl acetate are responsble for the ripe fruit odor. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 27, 7:47 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
Radium wrote: I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. Oh and I have three additional chemicals to rule out: 1. Ammonia 2. Urea 3. Sulfides and other sulfur-containing compounds |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
http://www.osha.gov/dts/sltc/methods...42/pv2142.html According to the above link, isoamyl acetate smells like pears or bananas. Wrong chemical. http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguide...cognition.html According to the above link, ethyl acetate has a pleasant fruity odor. Again, wrong chemical. Neither ethyl acetate or isoamyl acetate are responsble for the ripe fruit odor. The OSHA descriptions are how they smell to the rest of us. Not necessarily you. You'll need to smell them yourself to determine if they match with what is bothering you. Pineapple has a lot of ethyl acetate. Bananas have a lot of isoamyl acetate. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Radium wrote: Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. I notice that many fruits [excluding apples & cantaloupes] emit foul odors when ripe. What chemicals are responsible for this? I've done as much research as I can on this but not gotten anywhere. This isn't a homework assignment. I am asking these questions out of personal interest. I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? It could not be putricine. Putricine smells like rotting flesh, which is also a foul odor but totally different from that of ripe fruits. To my nose, over-ripe fruits don't have a smell that even nearly resembles rotting flesh. Both are equally bad odors, though. Its also not ethylene - a chemical used to speed ripening. Ethylene has a sweet pleasant smell to it. I have smelled it myself in a lab. It's beautiful. Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. I notice the stink especially in canned fruits. Most fresh fruits don't have as much of a strong stink even when ripe. However, canned fruits [often dripping in syrup] have an unbearable stench to me. Maybe it is something to do with the sugar? I don't know. I do know that it has nothing to do with the metals of the can or the effects of the metals on the fruit/syrup. Perhaps the ripe substances are more concentrated in the can, than when fresh. Why do canned ripe fruits stink more badly than fresh ripe fruits? Also, it can't be ethanol. I like the smell of ethanol. I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. I've taken smell tests in my organic chemistry lab. I've takes organic chemistry as a course in my college. Long list of chemicals I've gone through. Still no answer to the stench of ripe fruits. In addition, none of the chemicals I sniffed even remotely smell like ripe fruit. My guess is the stink of ripe fruits is a result of a mixture of different organic substances, excluding both the following chemicals and their effects on other chemicals: 1. putricine [or any amines] 2. ethylene [sweet smell] 3. butyric acid [or any acid/acidic substance for that matter] 4. ethanol [sweet smell resembling most alcoholic beverages] 4. chemicals resulting from fungus 5. chemicals resulting from decomposition [including bacterial decay] 6. Hydrocarbons [compounds containing only Carbon and Hydrogen] 7. Alcohols [organic compounds with attached OH hydroxide molecule] 8. Chemicals that specifically result from -- or are affected by -- rancidity 9. Inorganic substances -- such as metals 10. Effects of inorganic substances on organic substances I have tried tiresomely searching on google but there are no websites that have an answer to my question. Also, I've noticed that most ripe fruits do not have to be rotten in order to give off the foul odors I sense. Simply being ripe causes the odor. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. If this is out of your expertise would you please give me an idea of who could answer my question? No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the jokes, off-topic nonsense, exaggerations, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am really interested in this. I am 23 years old, free-of-brain-tumors, but have a neurological disability called Asperger's Syndrome. I would like to give you some information about my disability. The reason I am posting this message about Asperger's is to help avoid any potential misunderstandings [though it's probably too late]. I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (AS). AS is a neurological condition that causes significant impairment in social interactions. People with AS see the world differently and this can often bring them in conflict with conventional ways of thinking. They have difficulty in reading body language, and interpreting subtle cues. In my situation, I have significant difficulty with natural conversation, reading social cues, and maintaining eye contact. This can lead to a great deal of misunderstanding about my intent or my behavior. For example, I may not always know what to say in social situations, so I may look away or may not say anything. I also may not always respond quickly when asked direct questions, but if given time I am able express my ideas. On Usenet, the text-equivalent of my disability is probably noticed. I do apologize profusely, for any inconvenience it causes. Thank you very much in advance for your understanding, cooperation, and assistance. Thanks, Radium Wow. Is it that time of year again? For one who is socially impaired you seem to be very, very lucid. You have posted this request at least twice before and most responders have told you that you were mistaken (to put the best possible face on it). Hopefully, this time you will get the drift, that the rest of us don't notice, what you seem to notice. Either accept your uniqueness or buzz off. Sorry for my abruptness, but the question could have been stated less dramatically and you could have accepted previous responses. You must have personal friends of whom you could pose this question or have you burned them out as well? What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium writes:
Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. One change I notice that _didn't_ happen is not writing this: What causes those immeasurably-foul odors [of ripe fruit]? The last half dozen times you asked this, you were told, ripe fruits don't have an "immeasurably-foul odor" to most people. Most people find them very pleasant smelling. I'll go as far as to say that you are probably the only person in the world who finds ripe fruit to have an "immeasurably-foul odor". You were also told that, since nobody here has your nose or brain other than yourself, you're going to have to sample organic chemicals that are components of fruity odors, such as ethyl acetate to find out which chemical that smells pleasant to everyone else has this "immeasurably-foul odor". Nobody else can answer this but yourself. You can skip such craziness as putricine or whatever. Fruits contain chemicals that smell good to everyone other than yourself. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 28, 8:21 am, (Michael Moroney)
wrote: Radium writes: Hi: I know I've brought this subject up before but I just can't get over it. I apologize profusely to those who might be annoyed. You may notice some changes though. One change I notice that _didn't_ happen is not writing this: What causes those immeasurably-foul odors [of ripe fruit]? The last half dozen times you asked this, you were told, ripe fruits don't have an "immeasurably-foul odor" to most people. Most people find them very pleasant smelling. I'll go as far as to say that you are probably the only person in the world who finds ripe fruit to have an "immeasurably-foul odor". You were also told that, since nobody here has your nose or brain other than yourself, you're going to have to sample organic chemicals that are components of fruity odors, such as ethyl acetate to find out which chemical that smells pleasant to everyone else has this "immeasurably-foul odor". Nobody else can answer this but yourself. You can skip such craziness as putricine or whatever. Fruits contain chemicals that smell good to everyone other than yourself. I've used many of those fruit-flavored air-fresheners. They smell like paradise. Bananas, mangoes, peaches, strawberry, etc. All those air- fresheners with fruity-fragrance are just wonderful. This further increases my confusion and frustration over why ripe *actual* fruits [excluding apples, pears, honeydew, and canteloupes] stink so badly -- especially when canned. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Billy Rose wrote:
What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote:
In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? LOLOL!!! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. I dunno about that... Mass murderers are generally considered Psychopaths. Think Hitler. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Omelet wrote: In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. I dunno about that... Mass murderers are generally considered Psychopaths. Think Hitler. Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual's common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Omelet wrote: In article , jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. Manure -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? You perceive these odors differently from other people because you have multiple chemical sensitivity. You need to educate yourself about this condition and communicate with other people who have it, to learn about methods of coping with this serious condition. Here's a place you can start: http://www.multiplechemicalsensitivity.org/ You won't get any useful advice in sci newsgroups, because most of these people are part of an industry-wide effort to discredit even the acceptance of MCS as a genuine medical disorder. You shouldn't listen to them, because they'll just try to convince you it's all in your head. Get involved with the MCS support and activist groups, and then you'll make progress toward understanding and coping with your condition. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. I dunno about that... Mass murderers are generally considered Psychopaths. Think Hitler. Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual's common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisoc...ality_disorder I think there is more to it than that... I like to call it "Rich Boy Syndrome". Basically, he hasn't a clu' and could learn a lot from spending some time sleeping behind dumpsters, and eating out of them. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. Manure Composted Manure. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. Manure Bear bait. |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Jan Flora wrote: In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:11:47 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. But would he make good mulch? Compost. Manure Bear bait. Shark bait. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
On Jul 28, 10:32 am, Radium wrote:
I've asked similar questions in science newsgroups, and they think I have an olfactory perception disorder causing me to perceive odors differently from other humans. I don't believe this at all. Radium, Why don't you think that you perceive odours differently to most others? Perhaps the same brain wiring and chemistry that gives you the disorder you have also means that your senses aren't quite the same as most? And even amongst "ordinary" humans there is lots of variation in sense of smell. For example, where I work it is useful to be able to smell low concentrations of cyanide (as hydrogen cyanide gas). Most people smell something like almonds. One person says he doesn't smell it, but instead he tastes it. There is another who can't smell it at all, and so is totally dependent on personal electronic sensors and lab cyanide alarms to warn if something is going wrong. Unfortunately I forget the chemical, but at a lecture I went to (relating to smell) a tiny quantity from the front of the theatre. A few seconds later there were people at the back who could identify it. Soon about half the room could smell it. The rest of us never detected it at all. You might well know somebody who can't smell skunks - one in a thousand people can't. Sense of smell is also known to vary with mood. And also people that have epilepsy sometimes experience strange smells. The way smell works isn't well understood - there are multiple theories just for the physical process that goes on in your nose. So it sounds entirely reasonable to me that what smells fine to others may sometimes smell immeasurably-foul to you. People do have different likes and dislikes in smells and tastes for a reason. Neil |
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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Omelet wrote: In article .com, wrote: snipped excellent post for space So it sounds entirely reasonable to me that what smells fine to others may sometimes smell immeasurably-foul to you. People do have different likes and dislikes in smells and tastes for a reason. Neil On an odd note, I've noted that my sense of smell has improved drastically and become FAR more sensitive (almost too sensitive lately) since I got back in the habit of taking trace minerals. Just a personal observation. It's almost annoying. At the moment, it's gotten bad enough to where it's irritating to be stopped in traffic behind a cigarette smoker in a car. I appear to be sensitive to that particular stench. (Sorry, but it smells very bad to me!). :-P And I'm not even one of those dorks that tends to have a real problem with smokers rights. I'm against the ban on public smoking as long as there are places for them to go and I can escape from it... They recently banned all smoking at work. Needless to say, it's not working. Visitors are going to smoke so the ban can only be enforced against employees. No way in hell can security stop patients and visitors from smoking even tho' they are supposed to try. G I think it's hilarious that they even bothered to pass the "policy". Now there are cigarette butts all over the ground outside of the ER because they removed all the ash trays. Duh. Anyway, I'm wondering if Trace Mineral supplementation might be able to help Radium develop a more normal sense of smell. I use "Natures Plus" brand Trace Minerals. Inexpensive. They also seem to help with Sciatica pain. Sensitivity to tobacco smoke just means that it isn't common in your environment. Tobacco is very addictive, as witnessed by people on ventilators, smoking during treatment. Leaving ash trays would just, as we say now, enable smokers to injure themselves and others. The best thing that ever came from tobacco was the Bob Newhart routine about Sir Walter Raleigh phoning England to tell them of his wonderful new discovery. -------- .. . . Tob-acco... er, what's tob-acco, Walt?... It's a kind of leaf, huh?... And you bought eighty tonnes of it?!!... Let me get this straight, Walt, you've bought eighty tonnes of leaves? This may come as a kind of a surprise to you Walt but come fall in England, we're kinda upto our... It isn't that kind of leaf, huh?... Oh!, what kind is it then... some special kind of food?... Not exactly?... Oh, it has a lot of different uses, like, what are some of the uses, Walt?... Are you saying 'snuff', Walt?... What's snuff?... You take a pinch of tobacco, ha! ha! ha!... And you shove it up your nose. ha! ha! ha!... and it makes you sneeze? ha! ha! ha!... Yeh, I imagine it would, Walt! Hey, Goldenrod seems to do it pretty well over here! It has other uses though, huh?... You can chew it!... Or put it in a pipe!... Or you can shred it up... And put it in a piece of paper. ha! ha! ha!... And roll it up. ha ha ha... Don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me. ha! ha! ha! you stick it in your ear, right? ha! ha! ha!... Oh! between your lips!... Then what do you do, Walt? ha! ha! ha!... You set fire to it! ha! ha! ha!... Then what do you do, Walt?... Ha! ha! ha! You inhale the smoke, huh! ha! ha! ha!... You know, Walt... it seems you can stand in front of your own fireplace and have the same thing going for you! http://monologues.co.uk/Bob_Newhart/Tobacco.htm ---------- A different observation is that I take medication for hypertension (had it all my life) but it didn't seem to be working. I started drinking water with "self heal" steeped in it and my blood pressure went to normal (123/76), which is most un-normal for me. I use 3 oz - 4 oz chopped-"self heal" (mint and lemon added for flavor)/ waterpitcher. I let the water pitcher stand for at least an hour and then refill with water as needed for 2 - 3 days (It is the drinking water). The putative effects were immediate and enduring. I still take my medications but, with the doctor's consent, I will cut back on them to see how causal the relationship is between the "Prunellae vulgaris" and the hypertension. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
Butyric acid smells like stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair. So it definitely isn't butyric acid. In fact, since these foul odors occur after ripening [a process which uses up the acids]; I doubt that any acid or acidic substance is responsible for the foul odor of ripe fruits. IIRC, "stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts, dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair" is exactly how you described this alleged smell when you posted your annoying foolishness in rec.gardens a year or two ago. Bob |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Billy Rose wrote:
In article , Mark Thorson wrote: Billy Rose wrote: What do you call a person who does the same thing and expects a different outcome? President of the United States? Good call, half credit. No. A psychopath. The President is a sociopath. It's a false dichotomy. Both words mean the same thing (in spite of what Hannibal Lecter says) Bob |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? --excluding apples and cantaloupes
Radium wrote:
On Jul 27, 7:47 pm, Mark Thorson wrote: Radium wrote: I hate those odors. That why I like to eat apricots, peaches, and similar fruits when they are sour, hard, and greenish. When sour, hard, and greenish, most fruits smell pleasant. When they are too ripe, they become excessively sweet, grossly-soft up and turn mucus yellow; this is when they start to stink. What causes those immeasurably-foul odors? A couple possibilities you haven't considered are ethyl acetate and isoamyl acetate. Oh and I have three additional chemicals to rule out: 1. Ammonia 2. Urea 3. Sulfides and other sulfur-containing compounds Have you considered taking-up smoking? Perhaps unfiltered cigarettes? They tend to change one's perception of tastes and smells. HTH ;-) Bob |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: Sensitivity to tobacco smoke just means that it isn't common in your environment. I won't argue with that, but it did not used to annoy me to be behind a car at a stoplight with a smoker! I really do think that the proper supplements have enhanced my sense of smell. Tobacco is very addictive, as witnessed by people on ventilators, smoking during treatment. Leaving ash trays would just, as we say now, enable smokers to injure themselves and others. The best thing that ever came from tobacco was the Bob Newhart routine about Sir Walter Raleigh phoning England to tell them of his wonderful new discovery. lol Too funny, thanks! -------- . . . Tob-acco... er, what's tob-acco, Walt?... It's a kind of leaf, huh?... And you bought eighty tonnes of it?!!... Let me get this straight, Walt, you've bought eighty tonnes of leaves? This may come as a kind of a surprise to you Walt but come fall in England, we're kinda upto our... It isn't that kind of leaf, huh?... Oh!, what kind is it then... some special kind of food?... Not exactly?... Oh, it has a lot of different uses, like, what are some of the uses, Walt?... Are you saying 'snuff', Walt?... What's snuff?... You take a pinch of tobacco, ha! ha! ha!... And you shove it up your nose. ha! ha! ha!... and it makes you sneeze? ha! ha! ha!... Yeh, I imagine it would, Walt! Hey, Goldenrod seems to do it pretty well over here! It has other uses though, huh?... You can chew it!... Or put it in a pipe!... Or you can shred it up... And put it in a piece of paper. ha! ha! ha!... And roll it up. ha ha ha... Don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me. ha! ha! ha! you stick it in your ear, right? ha! ha! ha!... Oh! between your lips!... Then what do you do, Walt? ha! ha! ha!... You set fire to it! ha! ha! ha!... Then what do you do, Walt?... Ha! ha! ha! You inhale the smoke, huh! ha! ha! ha!... You know, Walt... it seems you can stand in front of your own fireplace and have the same thing going for you! http://monologues.co.uk/Bob_Newhart/Tobacco.htm ---------- A different observation is that I take medication for hypertension (had it all my life) but it didn't seem to be working. I started drinking water with "self heal" steeped in it and my blood pressure went to normal (123/76), which is most un-normal for me. I use 3 oz - 4 oz chopped-"self heal" (mint and lemon added for flavor)/ waterpitcher. I let the water pitcher stand for at least an hour and then refill with water as needed for 2 - 3 days (It is the drinking water). The putative effects were immediate and enduring. I still take my medications but, with the doctor's consent, I will cut back on them to see how causal the relationship is between the "Prunellae vulgaris" and the hypertension. -- FB - FFF I've also heard that lime juice and coconut juice mixed work for hypertension. And no, that is not meant as humor... What is the common name of that herbal please? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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Omelet wrote: A different observation is that I take medication for hypertension (had it all my life) but it didn't seem to be working. I started drinking water with "self heal" steeped in it and my blood pressure went to normal (123/76), which is most un-normal for me. I use 3 oz - 4 oz chopped-"self heal" (mint and lemon added for flavor)/ waterpitcher. I let the water pitcher stand for at least an hour and then refill with water as needed for 2 - 3 days (It is the drinking water). The putative effects were immediate and enduring. I still take my medications but, with the doctor's consent, I will cut back on them to see how causal the relationship is between the "Prunellae vulgaris" and the hypertension. -- FB - FFF I've also heard that lime juice and coconut juice mixed work for hypertension. And no, that is not meant as humor... What is the common name of that herbal please? http://www.holistic-online.com/Herba...Herbs/h343.htm http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....nella+vulgaris http://www.herbnet.com/Herb%20Uses_RST.htm (as self-heal) Biological Name: Prunellae vulgaris Other Names: Prunella, Xia ku cao, self heal, all heal Parts Used: flower spike Remedies For: Antipyretic, diuretic, anti-inflammatory antihypertensive vasodilator. Prunella is used for painful, red, and/or swollen eyes often associated with hypertension. It is also very effective for softening and resolving swollen lymph glands, goiter, breast lumps, cancer and tumors. Description: Grows both in the northwestern and north- eastern parts of North America. Dosage: 9-15 grams As I wrote, I'm still taking two allopathic medications besides the Prunella but I was going to have to start a third to get my BP down. I want to reduce the amount of pharmaceuticals that I'm ingesting as I've seen them reduce people to alzheimer levels of awareness. Besides, our species has spent millions of years in dealing with herbs and only a hundred years, maybe, dealing with the pharmaceutical companies. I am surprised that the Prunella produced such dramatic and rapid results. The plant is a type of mint and very easy to grow (as with all mints). I'm reading different things about what part of the plant to use but for the time I'm just using the flower spikes. The infusion (cold) has little taste. I add spearmint or peppermint, plus lemon for flavor. As I said, we use it for our cold drinking water and just replace the water that we take out for a couple of days and then make a fresh batch. Probably only the first pitcher has a therapeutic dose but the effects seem to linger on. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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OK......you got my attention. I didn't know heal-all (self-heal) had hypotensive properties, and I realize results may vary from person to person, I'm going to have to add this. How much of a reduction is dramatic and how rapidly did it occur for you? Sounds like it stabilized your pressure, as well. And are you using any other herbals, like hawthorne. I'm trying to get a grip on my elevation here. Hey Charlie, the change was like 165/95 --- 127/ 76 has been at this level for 3 weeks now with no change in meds. Yeah, these things can be statistically valid for groups and not for individuals. All I saying is that I see a difference and the prunella is the only difference. For now let's call it anecdotal. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes
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, Billy Rose wrote: What is the common name of that herbal please? http://www.holistic-online.com/Herba...Herbs/h343.htm http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants....nella+vulgaris http://www.herbnet.com/Herb%20Uses_RST.htm (as self-heal) Biological Name: Prunellae vulgaris Other Names: Prunella, Xia ku cao, self heal, all heal Parts Used: flower spike Remedies For: Antipyretic, diuretic, anti-inflammatory antihypertensive vasodilator. Prunella is used for painful, red, and/or swollen eyes often associated with hypertension. It is also very effective for softening and resolving swollen lymph glands, goiter, breast lumps, cancer and tumors. Description: Grows both in the northwestern and north- eastern parts of North America. Dosage: 9-15 grams As I wrote, I'm still taking two allopathic medications besides the Prunella but I was going to have to start a third to get my BP down. I want to reduce the amount of pharmaceuticals that I'm ingesting as I've seen them reduce people to alzheimer levels of awareness. Besides, our species has spent millions of years in dealing with herbs and only a hundred years, maybe, dealing with the pharmaceutical companies. I am surprised that the Prunella produced such dramatic and rapid results. The plant is a type of mint and very easy to grow (as with all mints). I'm reading different things about what part of the plant to use but for the time I'm just using the flower spikes. The infusion (cold) has little taste. I add spearmint or peppermint, plus lemon for flavor. As I said, we use it for our cold drinking water and just replace the water that we take out for a couple of days and then make a fresh batch. Probably only the first pitcher has a therapeutic dose but the effects seem to linger on. -- FB - FFF Billy Thanks! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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