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Sean Houtman 20-09-2004 05:42 AM

(Mike Lyle) wrote in
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As far as converting feces and odors into
substances that the body can use, that would require

lots of
energy. There is already a system where this occurs,

namely the
rest of the environment.


Of course. But I'm enjoying this trip to lunar park. And

the idea
of not needing to eat? Spike Milligan territory, and it

could be
made into a very funny story. But away from surrealist

humo[u]r,
you can't get out more than you put in; and I can't quite
visualize the GM bacteria which would recycle your body-

heat and
exhaled CO2 for you, not to mention trifles like shed

hair, skin,
and nail-clippings. Is it time to get onto sex yet...?

Mike.


You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2. There is some
evidence that many bacteria share plasmids in a sex-like
transaction, so that part is already covered, besides, that
same transaction is how you are going to do the GM.

Sean


Cereus-validus 20-09-2004 02:39 PM

You try that, Sean.


"Sean Houtman" wrote in message
news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews...
(Mike Lyle) wrote in
om:


As far as converting feces and odors into
substances that the body can use, that would require

lots of
energy. There is already a system where this occurs,

namely the
rest of the environment.


Of course. But I'm enjoying this trip to lunar park. And

the idea
of not needing to eat? Spike Milligan territory, and it

could be
made into a very funny story. But away from surrealist

humo[u]r,
you can't get out more than you put in; and I can't quite
visualize the GM bacteria which would recycle your body-

heat and
exhaled CO2 for you, not to mention trifles like shed

hair, skin,
and nail-clippings. Is it time to get onto sex yet...?

Mike.


You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2. There is some
evidence that many bacteria share plasmids in a sex-like
transaction, so that part is already covered, besides, that
same transaction is how you are going to do the GM.

Sean




Curious 28-09-2004 01:03 AM

Sean Houtman wrote in message news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews. ..

You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2.


Cyanobacteria are photosynthetic. Wouldn't chemosynthetic bacteria be
better for this application?

Christopher Green 28-09-2004 07:48 AM

(Curious) wrote in message . com...
Sean Houtman wrote in message news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews. ..

You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2.


Cyanobacteria are photosynthetic. Wouldn't chemosynthetic bacteria be
better for this application?


Sure. You familiar with the sort of places where chemosynthetic
bacteria live? Anaerobic mud and sulfide-bearing water make the
contents of your large intestine smell like perfume in comparison.

--
Chris Green

Sean Houtman 28-09-2004 07:46 PM

(Curious) wrote in
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Sean Houtman wrote in message
news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews. ..

You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2.


Cyanobacteria are photosynthetic. Wouldn't chemosynthetic bacteria
be better for this application?


No, because the chemical energy they need has to come from
somewhere, and the chemicals that can be used by chemosynthetic
bacteria are generally immediatly toxic to humans. If you want them
to use sugars from your blood, well, the inefficiencies of
thermodynamics mean that they will end up creating more CO2 than
they use.

Sean


Curious 12-10-2004 07:28 PM

Sean Houtman wrote in message news:1096397186.3WUZQGoSSox59jJh7ILi3A@teranews. ..
(Curious) wrote in
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Sean Houtman wrote in message
news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews. ..

You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2.


Cyanobacteria are photosynthetic. Wouldn't chemosynthetic bacteria
be better for this application?


No, because the chemical energy they need has to come from
somewhere, and the chemicals that can be used by chemosynthetic
bacteria are generally immediatly toxic to humans. If you want them
to use sugars from your blood, well, the inefficiencies of
thermodynamics mean that they will end up creating more CO2 than
they use.

Sean


There are some bacteria that use CO2 and give out oxygen

Sean Houtman 13-10-2004 04:29 AM

(Curious) wrote in
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Sean Houtman wrote in message
news:1096397186.3WUZQGoSSox59jJh7ILi3A@teranews. ..
(Curious) wrote in
om:

Sean Houtman wrote in message
news:1095655347.512RUex2R1ahcHuyJgpTGw@teranews. ..

You could put some Cyanobacteria in your blood, but you do
need light for them to take care of the CO2.

Cyanobacteria are photosynthetic. Wouldn't chemosynthetic
bacteria be better for this application?


No, because the chemical energy they need has to come from
somewhere, and the chemicals that can be used by chemosynthetic
bacteria are generally immediatly toxic to humans. If you want
them to use sugars from your blood, well, the inefficiencies of
thermodynamics mean that they will end up creating more CO2 than
they use.

Sean


There are some bacteria that use CO2 and give out oxygen


Yes. There are. Parts of this thread actually discuss that, they are
called Cyanobacteria, and they are photosynthetic.

Sean


Curious 14-10-2004 02:24 AM

Sean Houtman wrote in message news:1097638184.eLdCiXkY8VVSsCiH6cCP0g@teranews. ..

Yes. There are. Parts of this thread actually discuss that, they are
called Cyanobacteria, and they are photosynthetic.

Sean


Is it feasible to genetically-engineer bacteria to use acids, acidic
substances, sulphides, oxides [including smoke], ketones, skatole,
phosphides, sulfates, phopshates, halogens [atomic, ionic, isotopic],
carbon [ash, charcoal, etc.] lipids [including gasoline], chlorine
[atomic, ionic, and isotopic], alcohols [organic OH- compounds],
radioactive wastes, histamines, salts, and urea for energy?

Sean Houtman 15-10-2004 01:40 AM

(Curious) wrote in
om:

Sean Houtman wrote in message
news:1097638184.eLdCiXkY8VVSsCiH6cCP0g@teranews. ..

Yes. There are. Parts of this thread actually discuss that, they
are called Cyanobacteria, and they are photosynthetic.

Sean


Is it feasible to genetically-engineer bacteria to use acids,
acidic substances, sulphides, oxides [including smoke], ketones,
skatole, phosphides, sulfates, phopshates, halogens [atomic,
ionic, isotopic], carbon [ash, charcoal, etc.] lipids [including
gasoline], chlorine [atomic, ionic, and isotopic], alcohols
[organic OH- compounds], radioactive wastes, histamines, salts,
and urea for energy?


Bacteria already use many of those for their own energy uses. Oxides
already have most of the chemical energy removed, so they tend to be
low value. Bacteria have been used in remediating some wastes, for
instance toxic metals (including your radioactive wastes) can be
chemically processed by bacteria to be less available or mobile in
the environment.

Sean



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