What are you, some kind of anthophytist?
Don't non-flowering plants count?


"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
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There are many epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest rain forest. However
most
are lichens, mosses and ferns rather than flowering plants.

You didn't read my post very carefully. I said "higher plants" as in
Magnoliophyta. Even in Zone 5, we have epiphytic lichens.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen

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"Cereus-validus..." wrote:
What are you, some kind of anthophytist?
Don't non-flowering plants count?

My pawpaw in the backyard has ESP, but it can't count to save itself.

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
There are many epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest rain forest. However
most
are lichens, mosses and ferns rather than flowering plants.

You didn't read my post very carefully. I said "higher plants" as in
Magnoliophyta. Even in Zone 5, we have epiphytic lichens.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

Phred schreef
My pawpaw in the backyard has ESP, but it can't count to save itself.

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This raises the question of what it can do, either freely or to save itself?
What is its repertoire?
PvR

Don't non-flowering plants count? BRBR

Don't be silly. The spermatophytes or Magnoliophyta are generally referred to
as the "higher plants" colloquially, just as the vertebrates are referred to as
the higher animals. It is not a value judgement. All I meant was that you would
not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest because the climate is
too cold.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen

"All I meant was that you would not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the
Pacific Northwest because the climate is too cold."

I would disagree with that assertion. Its is more likely that few if any
epiphytic flowering plants are found in the Pacific Northwest because of the
lack of potential progenitors in the region.

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Don't non-flowering plants count? BRBR

Don't be silly. The spermatophytes or Magnoliophyta are generally referred
to
as the "higher plants" colloquially, just as the vertebrates are referred
to as
the higher animals. It is not a value judgement. All I meant was that you
would
not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest because the
climate is
too cold.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen

"Cereus-validus..." wrote in
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"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Don't non-flowering plants count? BRBR

Don't be silly. The spermatophytes or Magnoliophyta are generally
referred to
as the "higher plants" colloquially, just as the vertebrates are
referred to as
the higher animals. It is not a value judgement. All I meant was
that you would
not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest because
the climate is
too cold.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody
Allen




"All I meant was that you would not find seed-bearing epiphytes in
the Pacific Northwest because the climate is too cold."

I would disagree with that assertion. Its is more likely that few
if any epiphytic flowering plants are found in the Pacific
Northwest because of the lack of potential progenitors in the
region.


So with all the variety of epiphytic genera, families, orders, etc.
in the tropics, many of which must at some time had not had any
progenitors of the habit, and considering all the tropical islands
and continents with epiphytic taxa, you claim that it is a problem
with progenitors instead of some other factor. There is quite a lot
of variety within the temperate rain forest, but still a lack of
epiphytes. There are plenty of plants in the same families or genera
that produce tropical epiphytes there, for example Orchids, or
Gingers. The Hawaiian islands managed to produce a variety of
epiphytes, and they certainly started out with no progenitors of
anything.

Sean

The Hawaiian Islands are a bad example because all the epiphytic plants now
growing there were introduced by man as cultivated plants.

There are no epiphytic gingers.



"Sean Houtman" wrote in message
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"Cereus-validus..." wrote in
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"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Don't non-flowering plants count? BRBR

Don't be silly. The spermatophytes or Magnoliophyta are generally
referred to
as the "higher plants" colloquially, just as the vertebrates are
referred to as
the higher animals. It is not a value judgement. All I meant was
that you would
not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest because
the climate is
too cold.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody
Allen




"All I meant was that you would not find seed-bearing epiphytes in
the Pacific Northwest because the climate is too cold."

I would disagree with that assertion. Its is more likely that few
if any epiphytic flowering plants are found in the Pacific
Northwest because of the lack of potential progenitors in the
region.


So with all the variety of epiphytic genera, families, orders, etc.
in the tropics, many of which must at some time had not had any
progenitors of the habit, and considering all the tropical islands
and continents with epiphytic taxa, you claim that it is a problem
with progenitors instead of some other factor. There is quite a lot
of variety within the temperate rain forest, but still a lack of
epiphytes. There are plenty of plants in the same families or genera
that produce tropical epiphytes there, for example Orchids, or
Gingers. The Hawaiian islands managed to produce a variety of
epiphytes, and they certainly started out with no progenitors of
anything.

Sean

There are no epiphytic gingers.

A quick search turned up a number of epiphytic species of Hedychium and
Cautleya in Asia.


"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
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The Hawaiian Islands are a bad example because all the epiphytic plants
now growing there were introduced by man as cultivated plants.

There are no epiphytic gingers.



"Sean Houtman" wrote in message
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"Cereus-validus..." wrote in
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"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Don't non-flowering plants count? BRBR

Don't be silly. The spermatophytes or Magnoliophyta are generally
referred to
as the "higher plants" colloquially, just as the vertebrates are
referred to as
the higher animals. It is not a value judgement. All I meant was
that you would
not find seed-bearing epiphytes in the Pacific Northwest because
the climate is
too cold.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody
Allen




"All I meant was that you would not find seed-bearing epiphytes in
the Pacific Northwest because the climate is too cold."

I would disagree with that assertion. Its is more likely that few
if any epiphytic flowering plants are found in the Pacific
Northwest because of the lack of potential progenitors in the
region.


So with all the variety of epiphytic genera, families, orders, etc.
in the tropics, many of which must at some time had not had any
progenitors of the habit, and considering all the tropical islands
and continents with epiphytic taxa, you claim that it is a problem
with progenitors instead of some other factor. There is quite a lot
of variety within the temperate rain forest, but still a lack of
epiphytes. There are plenty of plants in the same families or genera
that produce tropical epiphytes there, for example Orchids, or
Gingers. The Hawaiian islands managed to produce a variety of
epiphytes, and they certainly started out with no progenitors of
anything.

Sean

It is more likely that few if any epiphytic flowering plants are found in
the Pacific Northwest because of the lack of potential progenitors in the
region.

The Pacific Northwest is lousy with orchid growers & other gardeners. If there
were any chance of success, I'm sure they would have experimented with tying
epiphytes to trees long ago, the way they do in Hawaii & Florida. I have never
heard of it being tried there, even with Epidendrum conopseum.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen