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Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
comments/thoughts/precautions about doing so? Thanks.

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Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
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I keep some rosy reds but they keep dying out for some reason. I never see
the bodies so assume something is having them for dinner. They're in the
one pond that's not netted.
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I was told by several pond places that you take the risk of parasites &
diseases when adding wild fish.

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I kept Orfes in with the koi. Orfes are good at birth control. Smaller
fish are food to GF and koi. Ingrid


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"drsolo" wrote:

I kept Orfes in with the koi. Orfes are good at birth control. Smaller
fish are food to GF and koi. Ingrid


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Out here in Southern California, mosquitofish (Gambusia affinis) are
encouraged for all ponds for the prevention of West Nile. I have quite a
bunch in my pond, and the goldfish don't seem to bother them.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:50:46 CST, "DCLong"
wrote:

I was told by several pond places that you take the risk of parasites &
diseases when adding wild fish.

Isn't that true of any new fish you add to the pond?

Regards,

Hal

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In , on 03/24/07
at 09:50 AM, "Reel McKoi" said:

Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
comments/thoughts/precautions about doing so? Thanks.
=============================
I keep some rosy reds but they keep dying out for some reason. I never
see the bodies so assume something is having them for dinner. They're
in the one pond that's not netted.

I also keep a few rosy reds. They're more active than the goldfish. My
pond is very small (130 gallon preformed), so I can't keep many goldfish.
The painted turtle is happy, though.


Alan

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drsolo:

I kept Orfes in with the koi. Orfes are good at birth control. Smaller
fish are food to GF and koi. Ingrid

I'd never heard of them, apparently native to Europe. How large do they
grow?

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DCLong:

I was told by several pond places that you take the risk of parasites &
diseases when adding wild fish.

I think that is true of captive bred fish as well but sunfish do not have
be wild; there are plenty of places that sell them.

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wrote in message
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In , on 03/24/07
at 09:50 AM, "Reel McKoi" said:

Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
comments/thoughts/precautions about doing so? Thanks.
=============================
I keep some rosy reds but they keep dying out for some reason. I never
see the bodies so assume something is having them for dinner. They're
in the one pond that's not netted.

I also keep a few rosy reds. They're more active than the goldfish. My
pond is very small (130 gallon preformed), so I can't keep many goldfish.
The painted turtle is happy, though.
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Is the population of your rosy reds staying stable or dropping? We're not
sure what's happening to ours.
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Hi..

Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their
pond? Anything like sunfish or other domestics?

Hmm.., I'm primary an aquarium keeper but I've several small
barrels and summer ponds where I'm used to "oversummer" my
cool_cold_water fish..

While North America seem to have a lot of small cold water
minnows we in Middle Europe only have 2 to 3 small and slim
of 6 to 12cm (2.5 to 5"). Well and they're not that
colourful but lively schooling swimmers and at least
absolutely _no_ biotope killers. On the one hand it were a
challenge to detect them but on the other hand it would
make fish watching very exiting..! :-)

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

I kept common sunfish in tanks. Their spawning behaviour is
very interesting and I'm sure they would love to spend the
warmer season in a shallow water pond with sand substrate
wherein they'd dig their spawning cavities..

But if you were interested in setting up a biotope pond with
a variety of water plants, plant-crowded shallow water
zones offering a big variety of refuges for water insects,
frogs, newts bathing or drinking birds I'd recommend to get
some small schooling minnows..

Unfortunately rosy reds aren't available here..

HTH..

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:49:20 CST, Marco Schwarz
wrote:

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

I looked up boitope in Wikipedia and it still doesn't mean anything to
me. Could you please explain what it means to you.

Thanks,

Hal

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Hi..

[...biotope...]

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..

HTH..
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Hi..

[...biotope...]

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..

Biotope
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Biotope is a coined word proposed firstly in Germany (Biotop) based on Greek
bios='life or organism' and topos='place'. So biotope is literally an area
where life is living. More precisely, biotope is an area of uniform
environmental conditions providing living place for a specific assemblage of
plants and animals. Biotope is almost synonymous with the term habitat but
while the subject of habitat is a species or a population, the subject of
biotope is a community.[1] Taking in the wide sense, forests or sea could be
biotope but generally biotope is often within the circle of human everyday
life. Nowadays, its original meaning as an ecological space itself almost
fade away and biotope is widely noticed as a keyword of preservation of the
environment.

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Hal:

I looked up boitope in Wikipedia and it still doesn't mean anything to
me. Could you please explain what it means to you.

bi·o·tope [bahy-uh-tohp]
–noun Ecology.
a portion of a habitat characterized by uniformity in climate and
distribution of biotic and abiotic components, as a tidal pool or a forest
canopy.

n. An area that is uniform in environmental conditions and in its
distribution of animal and plant life.

n. A geographical area uniform in environmental conditions and in its
distribution of biota.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc.
2006.

http://www.onelook.com/?w=biotope
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Hi..

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..
Biotope
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks this is a very useful explanation!

Unfortunately my English skills are very limited.

But there might possibly be subtle differences between your
and our understanding of "habitat" and biotop(e)..

The German understanding of habitat is mostly
auto_ecologically motivated (due to Carl von Linné's
understanding of habitat)..

In our understanding of habitat a habitat were able to be
composed of (or by?) several biotopes while a biotope might
provide several different habitats..! LOL

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Marco, voting for [biotope == habitat]

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I'll say it again. That channel cat was the most fun fish I ever had. People
would see him and say, "What was that?" He grew huge and he surely knew when
feeding time was. I would slap the water and he would stir and come around.
He liked the pelletized koi food.
I would like to try some perch. I know someone who keeps them in an aquarium
(against the law here, I think).

"Mac Cool" wrote in message
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Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:25:04 CST, Marco Schwarz
wrote:

Hi..

[...biotope...]

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..

HTH..

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.

Thanks,

Hal

Sunfish in ponds?
 

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

Jim

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Phyllis and Jim wrote:


While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

We've probably all seen ponds overfull of carp. I don't think they can be
described so much as "habitat killers" as "habitat modifiers". They make
the environment over to match what they like. Sort of like people...
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In article ,
Meat Plow wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:06 -0600, Derek Broughton wrote:

Phyllis and Jim wrote:


While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

We've probably all seen ponds overfull of carp. I don't think they can be
described so much as "habitat killers" as "habitat modifiers". They make
the environment over to match what they like. Sort of like people...

I've seen many larger natural ponds seeming overrun with carp and golds to
the point where you could almost walk across them where the ecosystem of
the pond adjusted nicely. I wouldn't recommend carp or goldies for the
backyard pond. Koi seem to do well in that environment.

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

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What is the reason you are not recommending goldies for backyard
ponds?

We have koi, goldies and mosquito fish in a 4,000 gal system. We get
a small number of fry who are kept alive by being sucked into the berm
ponds via the filter system. Only two have ever grown up in the main
pond. The goldies are thriving, however. Huge and active.

Jim

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I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.
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I would say it's the mosquito fish. Some goldfish fry survive in even my
small 150g ponds. Smaller than that and I seldom see any fry. Ether the
fish get them all, or the filter sucks them in.
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:41:09 CST, Kurt wrote:

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

Depending on the mosquito fish type, they are voracious on other species
fry and eggs. I had 1 mosquito fish in a kiddy pool and never saw any frog
spawn, even though there were plenty of frogs hanging around. Took out that
one fish, and all of a sudden I had frog eggs. While they were in the koi
ponds, never any koi fry either. Luckily they died off when I went to
constant slow flow in the winter. Apparently they couldn't take that slow,
but very cold water, flow at the surface. I don't miss them. ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State

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Hmmmm,

I wonder if all my mosquito fish are why I have no fry.

Jim

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~ jan wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:41:09 CST, Kurt wrote:

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

Depending on the mosquito fish type, they are voracious on other species
fry and eggs. I had 1 mosquito fish in a kiddy pool and never saw any frog
spawn, even though there were plenty of frogs hanging around. Took out that
one fish, and all of a sudden I had frog eggs. While they were in the koi
ponds, never any koi fry either. Luckily they died off when I went to
constant slow flow in the winter. Apparently they couldn't take that slow,
but very cold water, flow at the surface. I don't miss them. ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State

Makes sense to me. Actually just as well since my fish load is pretty
high right now. I originally put about 20 goldfish (pet store feeder
fish) in with my 4 large original in expecting some to not make it, but
they all did, as far as I can tell!

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