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As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs.
This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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~ jan wrote: As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs. This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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Wildlife can be so darned annoying! At least owls, in the US, are protected. First thing, when jan's neighbors piped up, I tried to find out if our native frogs were endangered. They aren't. rats! Today DH took the labradors hiking on a sage brushy open area and came home early. Too warm, too windy? No, he came across his second rattlesnake and decided that he, and the dogs, were pushing their luck. k :-) |
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Kurt wrote:
Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. So many idiots, so little ammunition... I _can_ understand how owls could be annoying. Every year except last year we've had Saw-whet owls. Saw-whets emit a 1/2 second "G" about every 1 or 2 seconds (like katydids, frequency seems to be related to temperature). They could get on your nerves, I guess, but last year I didn't hear a single one, and I miss them. -- derek - Unless otherwise noted, I speak for myself, not rec.ponds.moderated moderators. |
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"kthirtya" wrote: Wildlife can be so darned annoying! At least owls, in the US, are protected. First thing, when jan's neighbors piped up, I tried to find out if our native frogs were endangered. They aren't. rats! Today DH took the labradors hiking on a sage brushy open area and came home early. Too warm, too windy? No, he came across his second rattlesnake and decided that he, and the dogs, were pushing their luck. k :-) Just the thought that many people expect urban environment in a rural settings is annoying enough, but money talks in so many places. -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:41:36 CST, Kurt wrote:
Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. AhMazing! I hope the Ranger laughed. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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~ jan wrote:
As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs. This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan That sucks. Out of curiosity, what happens if you can't catch all the frogs? It's nice to have good relationships with neighbors, but it sounds like they're asking for something that's almost impossible. -- My other fish and pond forum is: http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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you need to make the case for those frogs holding down the mosquito and fly
populations. they are fighting West Nile Virus, etc. Ingrid |
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I used to net Saw-Whets in fall at the field station (for banding). They
are the cutest little owls on earth. They had to pat met down before I left to make sure I wasnt trying to smuggle one home. well some people pay bocu bucks for their "nature sound" machine so they can get to sleep. I think some people are miserable and like to spread their misery around. Ingrid "Derek Broughton" wrote in message ... . Every year except last year we've had Saw-whet owls. Saw-whets emit a 1/2 second "G" about every 1 or 2 seconds (like katydids, frequency seems to be related to temperature). They could get on your nerves, I guess, but last year I didn't hear a single one, and I miss them. |
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On Apr 8, 11:27 pm, ~ jan wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:41:36 CST, Kurt wrote: Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. AhMazing! I hope the Ranger laughed. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds:www.jjspond.us Too bad about the neighbors. Our pond was just warming up at night when this cold front came it. Our Fowler's toads are doing their calling thing! Crickets on speed. Once they get going, we are talking 5-20 at a time...just outside the bedroom. It is sort of like a train...you get used to it. Too bad your neighbors haven't. Jim |
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This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan I find it really hard to believe you net all your frogs and relocate them on an ongoing basis just to appease your snooty neighbours. Have you asked the police or wildlife people if you have any rights in this regard , or has this already been visited by you or your 'neighbour'. As far as keeping the peace with them, I doubt that's possible. After they get their way on this, they will be bolder with the next complaint BTW - Didn't your son or sons have a band at one time - how did the neighbour deal with that?? Gale :~) |
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"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message ups.com... Our pond was just warming up at night when this cold front came it. Our Fowler's toads are doing their calling thing! Crickets on speed. Once they get going, we are talking 5-20 at a time...just outside the bedroom. It is sort of like a train...you get used to it. Too bad your neighbors haven't. =================== I'm wondering how Jan's neighbors tolerate the cicadas, birds and crickets of summer?!?!?! Spring and summer are the time of life and life isn't silent. How sad they can't just enjoy the sounds of nature. If I had neighbors like that I'd be in deep trouble because we can't get rid of the bullfrogs. For every one I haul off to the lake another shows up to take his place. The only reason I remove them is they eat the smaller koi and goldfish. The rest of the toads and froggies out there are music to my ears (as long as they're not under my bedroom window.) -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ISP: Hughes.net ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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That was me, Gale, that hosted a band for
three years. My neighbors are all saintly, they have no problem with tree frogs, renegade bullfrogs and hordes of teenagers. We did soundproof the familyroom windows and that helped a lot. We also handed out free cds from the boys and when the newspaper came to interview them we praised our neighbors in print. The band is scattered to colleges from NY to Arizona now and we miss them. But we don't miss the noise! k :-) |
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That was me, Gale, that hosted a band for
three years. My neighbors are all saintly, they have no problem with tree frogs, renegade bullfrogs and hordes of teenagers. We did soundproof the familyroom windows and that helped a lot. We also handed out free cds from the boys and when the newspaper came to interview them we praised our neighbors in print. The band is scattered to colleges from NY to Arizona now and we miss them. But we don't miss the noise! I must be losing it - I thought one of Jan's sons was in a band - I knew you talked about it and assumed it was the same band Anywho - You did a very good job of pre-emptive damage control (probably a little late for Jan) Gale :~) |
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Hi Jan..
Hmm.., is this possibly a question of so called "Good neighbourhood"..? Or does it have any *legal* background relating to your *special* location (or situation)..? -- cu Marco |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:11:59 CST, Altum wrote:
That sucks. Out of curiosity, what happens if you can't catch all the frogs? It's nice to have good relationships with neighbors, but it sounds like they're asking for something that's almost impossible. It really does "suck" as frogs have been a big focus in my ponding life. How I got these neighbors, of all people, next to us is beyond me, but oh well. I can't move, and the city backs them. As far as catching the frogs, luckily it is a formal pond, so I can manage it at night they don't see me coming and aren't scared of the flashlight. So I net them right off the surface. These people are just lucky we're not ornery cause next backyard party of theirs my DH could gas up his big old chipper vac. beg ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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"~ jan" wrote in message ... These people are just lucky we're not ornery cause next backyard party of theirs my DH could gas up his big old chipper vac. beg ~ jan Better still, file a noise complaint. They're disturbing the quiet enjoyment of your frogs. |
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~ jan wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:41:36 CST, Kurt wrote: Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. AhMazing! I hope the Ranger laughed. ~ jan She had a good attitude about it, but you know it bothers her. Another story about the same park (Located in Thousand Oaks) When I was hiking around there last Summer, I remarked to the same ranger about the abundance of water in the waterfalls and stream despite it being middle of Summer. Water was fairly stinky in standing water areas. "Yes, all that water comes from lawn and car wash runoff. We spend a lot of time trying to keep the area kids out of the water." -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:10 CST, "drsolo" wrote:
you need to make the case for those frogs holding down the mosquito and fly populations. they are fighting West Nile Virus, etc. Ingrid Oh, I have a story about that: Surprise at My Ponds (6/27/2006) Tuesday morning I stepped out to get the paper to see 2 guys in blue shirts walking off my property with a mosquito dipper in their hands. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think as I note their truck is parked 3 houses up. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think again. I was just a tad ticked. Now... many of you will remember my troubles with neighbors who don't appreciate nature, in particular tree frogs mating. To see why they had been on my property without even a courtesy knock, I headed up to where their truck was parked. They see me coming, and it's like, "Oops, we're caught." So they walk back towards me. I ask, "So you guys don't come knock when you come on private property?" "Well, ah, we were just checking the area and noticed your pond and took a quick check." To which I said there was no way they could have "noticed" from the street. So I told them what I thought, that they got a complaint and rather than come talk to me, thinking they were avoiding a confrontation, they got one anyway. Had they come knocked I would have showed them the whole yard and that there are more water holding receptacles on my property than my lily pond to be worried about. Of course they're all safe, between fish, taddies, or Bt. That's when the one guy mentioned it was a yellow tub, one I set up to quarantine a T.lily, that got their attention. The yellow tub can only be seen if you walk right up to the fence, so much for "just noticed it." I think what they did was use the dipper over the fence, BECAUSE the gate is LOCKED. Who'd of thought I'd be keeping out ADULTS!!!! Needless to say, they didn't find anything! (Now that would have been embarrassing!) When I came inside I was still upset, and I had yet to remember my yard being locked, so I was wondering where else had these guys put their little "who knows where it has been" dipper? So I decided to call the Mosquito District and talk to the Manager. I discussed the situation with him, and he told me they should have knocked. He also said they had gotten a complaint in the area, so they were checking the whole neighborhood. I mentioned the situation with my neighbor (I wish I would have added if there are more mosquitos in the neighborhood it is because I had to remove 37 frogs!). He said that my address didn't stick out as one being on the list. I also mentioned the dipper and that *I assumed* they didn't sterilize that between tests? He knew right away I was concerned about cross contamination. So the yellow tub is being drained (no T.lily yet) and sun dried. He did say that they weren't suppose to use that in a residential area, just observe. So shame on them, 2 counts! I guess I'll have to add that to my neighborhood frog letter next year, how I keep the mosquito larva controlled around here. I'm even being so careful as to put dunks in my filter barrels this year. I don't think the water moves enough, the surface looks way too calm for my comfort. After all, I don't want to be bit either! The manager asked how I would rate the mosquitoes this season, and I said they haven't been bad at all this year. Both DH & I have been bit once so far, the boys not at all. I usually put tons of spray or lotion on, and I haven't even been doing that. I've used some, but I tend to have to get bit a couple of times before I'm real good about it. ----- That was the story I sent out to local pond people last year. I wouldn't put it pass these people to complaint about the water falling from the filter to the pond next. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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~ jan wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:10 CST, "drsolo" wrote: you need to make the case for those frogs holding down the mosquito and fly populations. they are fighting West Nile Virus, etc. Ingrid Oh, I have a story about that: Surprise at My Ponds (6/27/2006) Tuesday morning I stepped out to get the paper to see 2 guys in blue shirts walking off my property with a mosquito dipper in their hands. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think as I note their truck is parked 3 houses up. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think again. I was just a tad ticked. Now... many of you will remember my troubles with neighbors who don't appreciate nature, in particular tree frogs mating. To see why they had been on my property without even a courtesy knock, I headed up to where their truck was parked. They see me coming, and it's like, "Oops, we're caught." So they walk back towards me. I ask, "So you guys don't come knock when you come on private property?" "Well, ah, we were just checking the area and noticed your pond and took a quick check." To which I said there was no way they could have "noticed" from the street. So I told them what I thought, that they got a complaint and rather than come talk to me, thinking they were avoiding a confrontation, they got one anyway. Had they come knocked I would have showed them the whole yard and that there are more water holding receptacles on my property than my lily pond to be worried about. Of course they're all safe, between fish, taddies, or Bt. That's when the one guy mentioned it was a yellow tub, one I set up to quarantine a T.lily, that got their attention. The yellow tub can only be seen if you walk right up to the fence, so much for "just noticed it." I think what they did was use the dipper over the fence, BECAUSE the gate is LOCKED. Who'd of thought I'd be keeping out ADULTS!!!! Needless to say, they didn't find anything! (Now that would have been embarrassing!) When I came inside I was still upset, and I had yet to remember my yard being locked, so I was wondering where else had these guys put their little "who knows where it has been" dipper? So I decided to call the Mosquito District and talk to the Manager. I discussed the situation with him, and he told me they should have knocked. He also said they had gotten a complaint in the area, so they were checking the whole neighborhood. I mentioned the situation with my neighbor (I wish I would have added if there are more mosquitos in the neighborhood it is because I had to remove 37 frogs!). He said that my address didn't stick out as one being on the list. I also mentioned the dipper and that *I assumed* they didn't sterilize that between tests? He knew right away I was concerned about cross contamination. So the yellow tub is being drained (no T.lily yet) and sun dried. He did say that they weren't suppose to use that in a residential area, just observe. So shame on them, 2 counts! I guess I'll have to add that to my neighborhood frog letter next year, how I keep the mosquito larva controlled around here. I'm even being so careful as to put dunks in my filter barrels this year. I don't think the water moves enough, the surface looks way too calm for my comfort. After all, I don't want to be bit either! The manager asked how I would rate the mosquitoes this season, and I said they haven't been bad at all this year. Both DH & I have been bit once so far, the boys not at all. I usually put tons of spray or lotion on, and I haven't even been doing that. I've used some, but I tend to have to get bit a couple of times before I'm real good about it. ----- That was the story I sent out to local pond people last year. I wouldn't put it pass these people to complaint about the water falling from the filter to the pond next. ~ jan Edit it down and send it to "Letters to the Editor" at your local newspapers, too! Mosquito larvae are good frog food, as you observed. ;-) -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ! ~Semper Fi~ |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:42 CST, "drsolo" wrote:
I think some people are miserable and like to spread their misery around. Ingrid We've sure seen that the last couple of years, both in our backyards and usenet. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:35:32 CST, "G Pearce"
wrote: I find it really hard to believe you net all your frogs and relocate them on an ongoing basis just to appease your snooty neighbours. Have you asked the police or wildlife people if you have any rights in this regard , or has this already been visited by you or your 'neighbour'. Yes, before ever talking to us, even anomalously they went straight to the city attorney and I got "the letter" regarding my "pets". I called the city attorney's office and they laughed. Said that the complaint was a first. Unfortunately the letter, detailing fines,etc. was nothing, imo, to laugh at. At the time I thought it was new neighbors across the way, but it is now obvious who has the problem. If I don't do something about it, I could be fined and even told to fill in the pond as it could be considered as harboring a nuisance animal. If I was an activist I could probably take this all public and make a laughing stock out of my neighbors, but one never knows.... and I'm not willing to risk it. As far as keeping the peace with them, I doubt that's possible. After they get their way on this, they will be bolder with the next complaint. We've already removed a tree for them, it was dropping little olives on their truck, even though he has a huge driveway and could have parked it elsewhere. Then 2-3 months later he sold it! Now a gosh-ugly trailer, always filled with junk is parked in the same location. :-( I'm half tempted to replant another tree. BTW - Didn't your son or sons have a band at one time - how did the neighbour deal with that?? Naaa, that was Kathy's. But if I win the lottery, I may sell cheap to the right LARGE MUSICALLY INCLINED family, must have LOTS of teenagers with noisy cars, etc. In the meantime, we do have one nasty noisy macho chipper we could start up. DH has a BIG maple to take down, so it should be running lots this spring/summer. beg About the time they complain about that, to my husband, well that should be interesting indeed. Since the tree & frogs were my soft spot. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:00 CST, "Reel McKoi"
wrote: I'm wondering how Jan's neighbors tolerate the cicadas, birds and crickets of summer?!?!?! We don't have cicadas, so he lucked out there. If only we had them and they came at the same time as frogs so they drown each other out..... They probably put poison out for the crickets as they CAN be as loud as the frogs. About the time they tell me to hush the crickets, I may have to use some foul language I've learned here on usenet. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:14:13 CST, "G Pearce"
wrote: Anywho - You did a very good job of pre-emptive damage control (probably a little late for Jan) Gale :~) Yea, it is a little hard to sound proof an outdoor pond. Trust me, if I could, I would. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I am interested that wild frogs are considered your pets...in eco
friendly WA no less. They are wild animals that come and go at their own initiative. It is hard for a city to ban wild animals. I guess, however, that your pond is an attractant. I infer from your post that the city attorney laughed but said the ordinance could in fact be implemented against you. Bummer. Our toads would surely be the problem here, if someone were to complain. The tree frogs are peaceful compared to 'crickets on speed'. Jim |
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On Apr 8, 7:43 pm, ~ jan wrote:
As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs. This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds:www.jjspond.us They are being absolutely unreasonable. Buy them some kind of 'PM' and tell them to grow up. A sound machine in their bedroom could give them the sound THEY want to hear. Your ponds and frogs are part of your 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and they need to get real. We all have noise to put up with. I have teens and a father with noisy pickup trucks and cars, and only God knows who is going where at all hours of the night and dark early mornings. Another neighbor works on boats and runs them dry or with a hose and they make a horrible racket, and the latest across the street is a new neighbor who owns a cleanup business and has 4 or 5 trucks parked all over his front lawn and comes and goes at weird hours. But I have never said a word to any of them and will not. Serously, these people are being whiners and thinking the world revolves around them. You can't be expected to keep the frogs out of your ponds, and you have the right to enjoy them. I've never been one to complain about the neighbors or cause fights with them, but I truly feel these people are out of line with their whiney emails. Just my opinion. Nan |
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I have asthma. I keep the windows closed and run the air conditioner most
nights even if I open the windows during the day. I dont hear ANYTHING with my windows closed (my house is 120+ yo). however, the ones who complain about noise are the ones who want to keep their windows open all night either because they are too cheap to run the AC or they dont like AC. what may prove useful is some Eau de'skunk sprayed periodically to encourage them to close their windows at night. Ingrid We all have noise to put up with. |
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:24:02 CST, Marco Schwarz
wrote: Hmm.., is this possibly a question of so called "Good neighbourhood"..? Or does it have any *legal* background relating to your *special* location (or situation)..? Hi Marco, If I didn't answer your questions in my other posts, ask again. As I'm not quite sure what you're asking. ~ jan :-) ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:28:33 CST, "Phyllis and Jim"
wrote: I am interested that wild frogs are considered your pets...in eco friendly WA no less. They are wild animals that come and go at their own initiative. It is hard for a city to ban wild animals. I guess, however, that your pond is an attractant. I infer from your post that the city attorney laughed but said the ordinance could in fact be implemented against you. Bummer. Our toads would surely be the problem here, if someone were to complain. The tree frogs are peaceful compared to 'crickets on speed'.Jim Yes, the city would implement, though she said that since the frogs were seasonal, but the time they got to the point of even thinking of a fine, the problem would be gone. Another thing I'm not willing to risk. As of today I've put the small short sided stock tank down by the koi ponds on the other side of my house and plan to turn one of the male loose there, hoping he'll stay and not travel back up to the lily pond. I'll also put eggs in it to start a group that will hopefully returned there. I just can't be happy without frogs in my yard. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:37:48 CST, "Olde Hippee" wrote:
They are being absolutely unreasonable. Buy them some kind of 'PM' and tell them to grow up. A sound machine in their bedroom could give them the sound THEY want to hear. Your ponds and frogs are part of your 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and they need to get real. We all have noise to put up with. I have teens and a father with noisy pickup trucks and cars, and only God knows who is going where at all hours of the night and dark early mornings. Another neighbor works on boats and runs them dry or with a hose and they make a horrible racket, and the latest across the street is a new neighbor who owns a cleanup business and has 4 or 5 trucks parked all over his front lawn and comes and goes at weird hours. But I have never said a word to any of them and will not. Serously, these people are being whiners and thinking the world revolves around them. You can't be expected to keep the frogs out of your ponds, and you have the right to enjoy them. I've never been one to complain about the neighbors or cause fights with them, but I truly feel these people are out of line with their whiney emails. Just my opinion. Nan Thanks for the "meeting of the minds", Nan. I fully agree. In fact, I'm thinking I need to save some of these posts and C&P them to the neighbors if I have any more trouble with them. eg Ingrid: Regarding the skunks.... LOL! Only problem, we'd suffer also. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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drsolo wrote:
I have asthma. I keep the windows closed and run the air conditioner most nights even if I open the windows during the day. I dont hear ANYTHING with my windows closed (my house is 120+ yo). however, the ones who complain about noise are the ones who want to keep their windows open all night either because they are too cheap to run the AC or they dont like AC. what may prove useful is some Eau de'skunk sprayed periodically to encourage them to close their windows at night. Ingrid We all have noise to put up with. That's a right tolerant attitude. A/C is bad for health (most people's - I admit asthma sufferers have a need), bad for our environment, and it's a more annoying noise than wildlife. I don't use AC because my health is _worse_ with it. I just spent two glorious weeks in Portugal where I never saw an A/C unit. For the first time in years, my sinuses opened up. -- derek - Unless otherwise noted, I speak for myself, not rec.ponds.moderated moderators. |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
Picture this:
I'm thinking some creative topiary directed towards my neighbors. What do you think of a large frog with one of his hind feet flipping the bird (on the side so people from the street couldn't see it)? beg I remember seeing an article on such "art". It included potted old toilets, and topiary shaped as someone giving the neighbors the moon... and then there was the more obvious, "hand" doing the bird. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
~ jan wrote:
Picture this: I'm thinking some creative topiary directed towards my neighbors. What do you think of a large frog with one of his hind feet flipping the bird (on the side so people from the street couldn't see it)? beg I remember seeing an article on such "art". It included potted old toilets, and topiary shaped as someone giving the neighbors the moon... and then there was the more obvious, "hand" doing the bird. ~ jan So, you make one of Japanese Deer Chasers to pour water into the pond and mount it on the front of the commode. You have the back of it extend inside the commode, so when it goes down to dump the water, the back comes up, with a hand doing the bird! -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ! ~Semper Fi~ |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:57:27 CST, Nick Cramer
wrote: So, you make one of Japanese Deer Chasers to pour water into the pond and mount it on the front of the commode. You have the back of it extend inside the commode, so when it goes down to dump the water, the back comes up, with a hand doing the bird! Can you imagine about a dozen toilet's in unison doing this? :-) Last night I put one of the male frogs (the smallest and quietest) out in the small stock tank by the koi ponds, and he stayed. I could hear him over the baby monitor (renamed the koi monitor). I'm breeding for a quieter tree frog. ;-) The lily pond has suffered "Silent Spring" for 3-4 nights now. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Apr 10, 11:37 am, "Olde Hippee" wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:43 pm, ~ jan wrote: As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs. This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds:www.jjspond.us They are being absolutely unreasonable. Buy them some kind of 'PM' and tell them to grow up. A sound machine in their bedroom could give them the sound THEY want to hear. Your ponds and frogs are part of your 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and they need to get real. We all have noise to put up with. I have teens and a father with noisy pickup trucks and cars, and only God knows who is going where at all hours of the night and dark early mornings. Another neighbor works on boats and runs them dry or with a hose and they make a horrible racket, and the latest across the street is a new neighbor who owns a cleanup business and has 4 or 5 trucks parked all over his front lawn and comes and goes at weird hours. But I have never said a word to any of them and will not. Serously, these people are being whiners and thinking the world revolves around them. You can't be expected to keep the frogs out of your ponds, and you have the right to enjoy them. I've never been one to complain about the neighbors or cause fights with them, but I truly feel these people are out of line with their whiney emails. Just my opinion. Nan I have to add that I had not read of the possible legal BS in this situation when I ran my mouth above. I still think these people stink, but understand Jans concern arout her ponds. Dunno what I'd do in the situation. Hope the frogs like it at the other end of the house and she is able to keep them. Mean selfcentered people stink. Nan |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:22:09 CST, "Olde Hippee" wrote:
I have to add that I had not read of the possible legal BS in this situation when I ran my mouth above. I still think these people stink, but understand Jans concern arout her ponds. Dunno what I'd do in the situation. Hope the frogs like it at the other end of the house and she is able to keep them. Mean selfcentered people stink. Nan I couldn't agree more. ;-) As far as the frogs, the dummies wouldn't stay, they went back up to the lily pond. So today they get a ride to grandma's house, 3 of them do anyway. It rained last night and more came, so I have at least 2 more to catch. I will load the short stock tank with taddies this year and hopefully next year some will come back there before heading to the lily pond. In the meantime, I can always hope he's transferred.... to Siberia. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
Hey.. wait, my cousins are in Siberia... hope he is transferred to LA or NY,
concrete city, 20th floor. Ingrid "~ jan" wrote in message ... In the meantime, I can always hope he's transferred.... to Siberia. ;-) ~ |
Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:54:22 CST, "drsolo" wrote:
Hey.. wait, my cousins are in Siberia... hope he is transferred to LA or NY, concrete city, 20th floor. Ingrid That will work also. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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