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I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what
should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful |
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Peter Pan wrote:
I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful Hi Peter :) I'm guessing you are in the US, so I can only advise generally. Here in the UK, liners come with 10/15/20 year guarantees. Buy something with a long guarantee.....don't buy cheap!! -- ßôyþëtë London, UK |
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"Peter Pan" wrote in message . .. I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful ========================= We're very happy with the Tetra EPDM liners we bought. They're 60 mil thick and now 9 and 10 years old. I don't see them that thickness advertised any more. I also have the Tetra filters and UV lights but they old technology now. Someone will recommend something much better I'm sure. BTW, the Tetra UV lights weren't cheap but they can and do keep the water crystal clear. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ISP: Hughes.net ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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roofing membrane, EPDM. 45 or 60 ml, 45 is easier to handle. also,
permalon is light weight but doesnt make nice pleats when turning corners. for formal ponds with right angles, permalon can be folded very flat. for sloping odd shaped ponds EPDM. Ingrid |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:31:56 CST, "Peter Pan" wrote:
I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful I used 45 ml EPDM. Filtration depends on what your plans for the pond are. I was planning a water garden with few fish. You can visit my website and see the DIY filter I put in, when "a few" turned into "many". :-) If you're hoping for koi, go thru the liner with a bottom drain & skimmer. Even though the lily pond is not planned to have koi, I still went thru the liner so I wouldn't have to clean the whole bottom with the shop. Much easier to do just the bottom of a barrel. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Peter (!),
We went with the 45 mil roofing EDPM. It is a decade old and doing very well. The 'certified' pond-safe, expensive pond liner is the same thing. If you wanted, you could wash it off. No one that I am aware of has noted any ill effects among their fish from the roofing liner. Seams can be made as needed. Be careful with them. Have fun. Jim |
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On Apr 10, 1:31 pm, "Peter Pan" wrote:
I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful Hello Peter, haven't seen anyone mention it but folks used to put old carpet under the liner for extra protection from punctures. Just a thought. Randy |
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Thanks for remembering underlaying carpets. That is really important
for liner safety. Phyllis |
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"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message oups.com... Thanks for remembering underlaying carpets. That is really important for liner safety. Phyllis ========================= And if usingf USED carpeting make sure to remove every last staple or tack. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ISP: Hughes.net ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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"~ jan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:04:52 CST, wrote: Hello Peter, haven't seen anyone mention it but folks used to put old carpet under the liner for extra protection from punctures. Just a thought. Randy Randy!!!! How are you!!! If I remember right, last I'd heard you were living in an apartment with no pond? How is life, better I hope? Good idea about the fabric. One of our members used those blocks and raised his pond at least 12". I don't know if he used fabric or not behind them. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us Again, it is good to see everyone having fun again. I raised my first liner pond in 2005 with the landscape blocks about 2 feet. I used a tough geotextile fabric as an underliner for the protection of the liner. You can see pics at http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondpage6.html |
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Peter Pan wrote:
I want to put a pond in my yard this year roughly 8x10 36 depth. what should I be looking for when buying a liner, i.e. thickness ect. Also any suggestions on where to buy and what to buy or not to buy (name brands ect) Also suggestions on filtration as well. Any and all intelligent replies are welcomed, I really don't care if you've forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know as long as you can offer something useful Hi Peter, Great to see you over here :-) I'm pretty much on your level - I had a pond a few years ago that we filled in because of the little one.....but she can swim now.....with the original pond I went for sand, pond lining fabric and then a good quality butyl....I do know that other options can come in cheaper but I was happier doing it this way.....We are looking at putting in our new pond this year (after we get over the expense of the 100g reef tank) - it will be similar in size so it will be fun to share our experiences on this group :-) Gill |
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Reel McKoi wrote:
========================= And if usingf USED carpeting make sure to remove every last staple or tack. My major concern with using old carpeting (or even new) would be to ensure what the backing is....some carpets have foam backing that can become toxic to fish....now of course a good quality weave carpet would not have these issues but then you need to look at what chemicals have been used on the carpet itself - so many carpets these days are treated with stuff to make them stain resistant etc. etc. Just being cautious here.....but it is a true danger.... Gill |
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Good points about tacks and chemicals. I think that a good liner
reduces problems from the chemicals. Tacks would be a real bummer! Jim |
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We look forward to seeing your new pond! Be sure to take pics!
Jim |
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"Reel McKoi" wrote: "Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message oups.com... Thanks for remembering underlaying carpets. That is really important for liner safety. Phyllis ========================= And if usingf USED carpeting make sure to remove every last staple or tack. With smaller ponds where you have tighter radius', I went for the store bought underliner fabric. Cheap and easy to fold/manipulate. -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message oups.com... Good points about tacks and chemicals. I think that a good liner reduces problems from the chemicals. Tacks would be a real bummer! Jim ============================== I don't know that chemicals from old carpeting used outside the liner can leak through to poison the fish. We didn't use old carpeting. We used heavy cardboard covered in newspapers and old bed quilts. So far so good. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ISP: Hughes.net ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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Gill Passman wrote: Reel McKoi wrote: ========================= And if usingf USED carpeting make sure to remove every last staple or tack. My major concern with using old carpeting (or even new) would be to ensure what the backing is....some carpets have foam backing that can become toxic to fish....now of course a good quality weave carpet would not have these issues but then you need to look at what chemicals have been used on the carpet itself - so many carpets these days are treated with stuff to make them stain resistant etc. etc. Just being cautious here.....but it is a true danger.... Gill The pond underliner I bought has none of those issues, and much more pliable than old carpet. I got the Christy 15' wide 7 oz underlayment. I use this with my Firestone 45 mil 15' wide liner -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:00:31 CST, Gill Passman
wrote: My major concern with using old carpeting (or even new) would be to ensure what the backing is....some carpets have foam backing that can become toxic to fish....now of course a good quality weave carpet would not have these issues but then you need to look at what chemicals have been used on the carpet itself - so many carpets these days are treated with stuff to make them stain resistant etc. etc. Just being cautious here.....but it is a true danger.... Gill If one was going to put the carpet where it was getting in or wet and run off going into the pond, that might be a concern. Usually most carpet goes on the bottom, up the sides, and then one has extra liner going under and up amongst rocks or whatever is going to be around the pond. So no water that has touched the carpet goes into the pond. At the D.pond we used both foam underlay and carpeting. The "soil" out there was more rocky than dirt, and the rocks had a lot of sharp edges. The foam + carpet has made for a very cushy walk when one has to go in the pond and work. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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We put carpet under our falls and the berm ponds. The main pond is
cement. We are not aware of any problems with the carpet. It will not leach anything into the ponds as it is under the liner. Jim |
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foam does not every come near the fish. it isnt going to migrate thru the
liner. It cant be toxic if padding is under the liner. Ingrid |
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all my ponds have rug padding under the liner. padding is 100% synthetic
and doesnt rot. it is cheap to buy (used may have hidden staples which would punture the liner). I tried the "old rug" and when we removed the liner after a month is was all moldy and rotted and we found more staples. Most important. padding bends easily to fit the contours of the pond, it is light weight, it cuts like butter. rug is stiff, heavy. I built 1.5 feet up from the ground using a stud wall and outdoor plywood. is easy and cheap to do. Ingrid |
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My major concern with using old carpeting (or even new) would be to ensure what the backing is....some carpets have foam backing that can become toxic to fish....now of course a good quality weave carpet would not have these issues but then you need to look at what chemicals have been used on the carpet itself - so many carpets these days are treated with stuff to make them stain resistant etc. etc. Just being cautious here.....but it is a true danger.... If the carpet is going under the liner , how would that be toxic to fish? Gale :~) |
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