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Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and leaving
the body behind? I suspect a cat. I know herons and snakes eat them whole.
There are no snappers in the ponds because of the nets. What other than a
cat would do this to frogs. We have almost no frogs left and were once
crawling with them.

The smaller 900g pond no longer has a net or fish. It's for lilies and frogs
now... but there are almost no frogs now. :*(
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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Reel McKoi wrote:
Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and
leaving the body behind? I suspect a cat. I know herons and snakes eat
them whole. There are no snappers in the ponds because of the nets. What
other than a cat would do this to frogs. We have almost no frogs left
and were once crawling with them.

The smaller 900g pond no longer has a net or fish. It's for lilies and
frogs now... but there are almost no frogs now. :*(

My cat kills frogs in the way described.....usually it is just the guts
left on the doorstep with maybe a leg or two to allow you to identify
the poor victim but not always....he did bring in a grass snake once and
deliver the entire body onto one of the children's beds at lights
out....of course following the screams lights out extended quite a few
hours afterwards that evening.....

Seriously frogs seem to be quite fickle.....my old water
feature/fountain thingy had at least 4 frogs in residence....my
replacement pond only has two at the moment but it is new.....I would
suspect that the changes you have made to the pond have caused the frogs
to decamp for a while - they or their desendants, or new frogs will
probably be back next year if not sooner....they seem to have a great
ability to sniff out water

Gill

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(waving to Gill!)

A friend's cat left half a frog on her carpet, the bottom
half. I think, if it is a pet cat, and they are fed, they
really don't have the appetite to finish off their prey
and maybe it doesn't taste as good as Tasty Kitty
Kibbles.

k :-)

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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Reel McKoi wrote:
Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and
leaving the body behind? I suspect a cat. I know herons and snakes eat
them whole. There are no snappers in the ponds because of the nets. What
other than a cat would do this to frogs. We have almost no frogs left and
were once crawling with them.

The smaller 900g pond no longer has a net or fish. It's for lilies and
frogs now... but there are almost no frogs now. :*(

My cat kills frogs in the way described.....usually it is just the guts
left on the doorstep with maybe a leg or two to allow you to identify the
poor victim but not always...

This cat chews all the legs off or just the back legs and leaves the entire
body there. This last frog was still alive with no legs and died in my hand.
I was sick.

..he did bring in a grass snake once and
deliver the entire body onto one of the children's beds at lights
out....of course following the screams lights out extended quite a few
hours afterwards that evening.....

I can imagine! :-O If this cat is killing snakes I'm not finding the
bodies. We have a lot of snakes here due to the rocky wooded area behind
the house. All the neighbors here are sick to death of people dumping cats
instead of taking them to the shelter.

Seriously frogs seem to be quite fickle.....my old water feature/fountain
thingy had at least 4 frogs in residence....my replacement pond only has
two at the moment but it is new.....I would suspect that the changes you
have made to the pond have caused the frogs to decamp for a while - they
or their desendants, or new frogs will probably be back next year if not
sooner....they seem to have a great ability to sniff out water

The numbers were low before we cleaned out the ponds this weekend. I noticed
less frogs at my neighbors stock pond as well, but didn't look in the grass
for dead ones.


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RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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Reel McKoi wrote:
Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and
leaving the body behind?

FRENCHMEN :)

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Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and
leaving the body behind?

©anadian Ponder wrote:
FRENCHMEN :)

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
k :-)

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"©anadian Ponder" " wrote in message
.com...
Reel McKoi wrote:
Does anyone know what kills frogs by chewing off all their legs and
leaving the body behind?

FRENCHMEN :)
===========================
I'll keep my eyes open for them. I hope they're good looking. ;-)
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RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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kathy wrote:

©anadian Ponder wrote:

FRENCHMEN :)


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
k :-)


They taste just like chicken.....but with the disadvantage that there
just isn't as much meat on a frog leg as there is on a drumstick or
chicken wing....

Gill

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Gill Passman wrote:

kathy wrote:

©anadian Ponder wrote:

FRENCHMEN :)


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
k :-)


They taste just like chicken.....

Frenchmen??

but with the disadvantage that there
just isn't as much meat on a frog leg

Oh...
--
derek

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Woe is me. Not enough wine in the world, I expect, to
try frog legs or snails! FrogZilla, out in the pond as I
type, is relieved to hear it.

k :-)

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kathy wrote:

Woe is me. Not enough wine in the world, I expect, to
try frog legs or snails! FrogZilla, out in the pond as I
type, is relieved to hear it.

k :-)

Snails do not taste like either Frenchmen or chicken. They taste something
like shrimp (though it's rather hard to tell, as they're traditional killed
by drowning them in garlic).
--
derek

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kathy wrote:
Woe is me. Not enough wine in the world, I expect, to
try frog legs or snails! FrogZilla, out in the pond as I
type, is relieved to hear it.

k :-)

Hmmmm....now snails with garlic butter and a bit of parsley are an
entire different ball game to frogs legs.....bit chewy and gritty if not
prepared correctly but very nice once you get over the thought that you
are eating a snail.....

I find it interesting how certain foods are acceptable to certain
cultures and how even those more adventurous still cannot pallet the
thought of eating certain creatures.....over here there is a move
towards marketing grey squirrels (may contain traces of nuts) but I
can't quite bring myself to try....kangaroo meat, crocodile and
allegator steaks have been available for years - but I can't quite get
my head around serving them up for tea.....

A friend of mine's Mother was nuts about her Koi.....they had Japanese
guests.....the culture is that they bring a gift to the host....in this
case they did a bit of research and discovered that she was very fond of
these fish....so they bought her 4, nicely gutted and wrapped in
newspaper ready to serve for dinner once suitably cooked.....

Gill

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Derek Broughton wrote:


They taste just like chicken.....


Frenchmen??

Never tried eating one myself but I'm pretty sure if I did that they
would taste just like chicken - lol

Gill

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Where I lived in Canada Frenchmen were not native
west of the Rockies.

k :-)

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"kathy" wrote in message
...
Woe is me. Not enough wine in the world, I expect, to
try frog legs or snails! FrogZilla, out in the pond as I
type, is relieved to hear it.

k :-)
=====================
I had snails in a wine sauce in a French Restaurant in NYC years ago. They
were delicious.
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...
Gill Passman wrote:

kathy wrote:

©anadian Ponder wrote:

FRENCHMEN :)


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
k :-)


They taste just like chicken.....

Frenchmen??

but with the disadvantage that there
just isn't as much meat on a frog leg

Oh...
--
derek
=============================
LOL! ;-)

--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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kathy wrote:
Where I lived in Canada Frenchmen were not native
west of the Rockies.

k :-)

Was that because someone mistook them for chicken and they couldn't run
the risk???? :-)

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Gill Passman wrote:

Hmmmm....now snails with garlic butter and a bit of parsley are an
entire different ball game to frogs legs.....bit chewy and gritty if not
prepared correctly but very nice once you get over the thought that you
are eating a snail.....

I find it interesting how certain foods are acceptable to certain
cultures and how even those more adventurous still cannot pallet the
thought of eating certain creatures.....over here there is a move
towards marketing grey squirrels (may contain traces of nuts) but I
can't quite bring myself to try....kangaroo meat, crocodile and
allegator steaks have been available for years - but I can't quite get
my head around serving them up for tea.....

I love snails, and have had 'roo (which doesn't taste like chicken) and
alligator (which does), but I still can't bring myself to eat tripe - even
in France where they call it anduillette, so it's obviously much better.
otoh, I'm a picky eater - ruined by English school dinners. I can eat
practically anything that was never on the menu at school...

A friend of mine's Mother was nuts about her Koi.....they had Japanese
guests.....the culture is that they bring a gift to the host....in this
case they did a bit of research and discovered that she was very fond of
these fish....so they bought her 4, nicely gutted and wrapped in
newspaper ready to serve for dinner once suitably cooked.....

Well, they're just carp - not very appetizing as fish go, but not that bad.
--
derek

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Gill wrote Was that because someone mistook them for chicken and
they couldn't run
the risk???? :-)

We confined them all to a nature reserve called Quebec
for their own safety...

k :-)

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Reel McKoi wrote:

"kathy" wrote in message
...
Woe is me. Not enough wine in the world, I expect, to
try frog legs or snails! FrogZilla, out in the pond as I
type, is relieved to hear it.

k :-)
=====================
I had snails in a wine sauce in a French Restaurant in NYC years ago.
They were delicious.

My family actually go and pick them wild (snails) after rain.

We make them in a spicy tomato sauce and have to pick them out yourself.

It was a treat !!!

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I had snails in a wine sauce in a French Restaurant in NYC years ago.
They were delicious.

I've resisted commenting on this thread, but the "restaurant" mention
hits too close to home, so here goes.

I grew up in Newport, Rhode Island and, as a teenager, worked as a
dishwasher at one of the fanciest restaurants in the wharf area. One
of the things they served was Escargot. I'm not sure how they prepared
the snail meat, but I do know that every night we'd run the large
snail shells through the dishwasher so they could be reused. (Hey, not
my idea; this was policy.) One night we were screwing around, as
underpaid dishwashers in fancy restaurants often do, and we broke some
of the shells open. They were loaded with little bugs. We broke more
open and they were all loaded with bugs. These shells were coming off
of customer's plates.

It's still one of the fanciest restaurants in Newport, so I recommend
avoiding the Escargot if you're in the area.

Dave

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The older the culture, the more likely they will eat whatever is EDIBLE no matter how
bad it tastes. The older the culture the longer they have survived all kinds of
starvation events. OK OK .. so I am referring to the Chinese. We once went to a new
years celebration with Chinese friends and their family and one of the traditional
specialties was "sea cucumber". It was the nastiest, slimiest mess I have ever put
in my mouth and spit out immediately.

Sorry, but if it needs salsa or hot peppers or garlic up the ying yang in order to be
edible, or if it has to be hidden (zucchini) then it just isnt making it onto my
menu. Squirrel is good, but it is worse hell spitting out the shot than spitting
fish bones. Ingrid

On Fri, 30 May 2008 20:38:42 EDT, Gill Passman wrote:
I find it interesting how certain foods are acceptable to certain
cultures and how even those more adventurous still cannot pallet the
thought of eating certain creatures.....over here there is a move
towards marketing grey squirrels (may contain traces of nuts) but I
can't quite bring myself to try....kangaroo meat, crocodile and
allegator steaks have been available for years - but I can't quite get
my head around serving them up for tea.....

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:06:48 EDT, Derek Broughton
wrote:

My wife & I and another couple went to a Chinese New Year dinner, and my
friend still calls it our "Fear Factor" meal. I quite enjoyed it - after
all it's better than they cook in English schools -

I just have to ask, what do they serve in English schools, at least when
you were a kid?

I use to love our American school food back in my day. Now I not only
couldn't eat it, but much of it would make me sick (wheat sensitive).
~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

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"Pond Addict" wrote in message
...
I had snails in a wine sauce in a French Restaurant in NYC years ago.
They were delicious.

I've resisted commenting on this thread, but the "restaurant" mention
hits too close to home, so here goes.

I grew up in Newport, Rhode Island and, as a teenager, worked as a
dishwasher at one of the fanciest restaurants in the wharf area. One
of the things they served was Escargot. I'm not sure how they prepared
the snail meat, but I do know that every night we'd run the large
snail shells through the dishwasher so they could be reused. (Hey, not
my idea; this was policy.) One night we were screwing around, as
underpaid dishwashers in fancy restaurants often do, and we broke some
of the shells open. They were loaded with little bugs. We broke more
open and they were all loaded with bugs. These shells were coming off
of customer's plates.

It's still one of the fanciest restaurants in Newport, so I recommend
avoiding the Escargot if you're in the area.
================
The place we ate had the original snail still in the shell. We had to pick
them out ourselves. If there were bugs we would have seen them. What did
they reuse the shells for? What were they putting in the shell after the
original snail was removed?
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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~ jan wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:06:48 EDT, Derek Broughton
wrote:


My wife & I and another couple went to a Chinese New Year dinner, and my
friend still calls it our "Fear Factor" meal. I quite enjoyed it - after
all it's better than they cook in English schools -


I just have to ask, what do they serve in English schools, at least when
you were a kid?

Guessing I'm a similar generation to Derek I'm going to stick up for
English School dinners from the past (I can't excuse the current ones
that are brought in by car from some catering service)....the English
School dinner when cooked in the school's kitchen was an institution. I
guess there may have been some bad ones but generally the food was
"nutritional"....the mashed potato was sometimes suspect and the
cabbage/greens were certainly boiled for a good few hours before they
made the plate. It's funny in adult life to see other adults going for
mashed swede, thick gravy, over cooked greens and lumpy mashed potato
with a degree of nostalga only shared by those that had the same typical
English School dinner.....I can see the description making some say
"yuk" - I guess you had to be there....

Of course the best bit of an English School dinner in the 60s and 70s
was the pudding.....I still have a guilty fondness for sticky sponge
puddings with custard dating from my school days....add to that rice
pudding and the occassional jelly and ice-cream treat....the only bad
pudding was the tapioca which was served with a big blob of jam in the
middle - the only appeal that had for me was stirring it until it had
turned pink all the way through...chocolate semolina was border-line in
the edible or yuk stakes - used to depend on your mood.

To drink we had the choice of water or water (by the jug load) - used to
come in garish metalic coloured jugs (gold, silver, red, green and
purple IIRC) - we thought we'd hit a certain degree of sophistication
when the school bought in glass jugs...The glasses were standard pretty
much throughout the country I believe....

Overall, I think the standard of food served up in my school years was
far superior to the stuff fed to our kids today but JMO :-)

Gill


I use to love our American school food back in my day. Now I not only
couldn't eat it, but much of it would make me sick (wheat sensitive).
~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

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Reel McKoi wrote:

================
The place we ate had the original snail still in the shell. We had to
pick them out ourselves. If there were bugs we would have seen them.
What did they reuse the shells for? What were they putting in the shell
after the original snail was removed?

Most, but not all places (in France, UK and Belgium), serve snails in
shells giving the impression that it is the snail's original shell. The
costs involved in providing the original shell with the snail would more
than likely be prohibitive.

Around 20 years or so ago, you used to see snails sold in the
Supermarkets (I guess there weren't too many sales as it is now only
specialist delis that sell them). The snails were canned/jarred and the
shells came wrapped in selophane and stuck to the top of the container.
The tins/jars of snails were also available for sales sans shells...

Gill

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~ jan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:06:48 EDT, Derek Broughton
wrote:

My wife & I and another couple went to a Chinese New Year dinner, and my
friend still calls it our "Fear Factor" meal. I quite enjoyed it - after
all it's better than they cook in English schools -

I just have to ask, what do they serve in English schools, at least when
you were a kid?

Surely you've heard how bad English cooking is. Well, they hire the worst
of them to cook in the school kitchens. The vegetables had to start
boiling about 10am for a noon meal. It was all overcooked mush. The only
things I really remember were cabbage, Brussels sprouts, and powdered
mashed potatoes. All of which were vile. Cabbage and sprouts still make
me vomit 40 years later.
--
derek

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Reel McKoi wrote:

The place we ate had the original snail still in the shell. We had to pick
them out ourselves. If there were bugs we would have seen them.

I'd be surprised if they were "original". It's my understanding that it's
standard practice to reuse them. One wonders what's wrong with the shells
the snails originally come in, though.

What did
they reuse the shells for? What were they putting in the shell after the
original snail was removed?

More snails.
--
derek

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I didn't run into school lunches until we moved to the States.
The vilest thing on the menu was something called Shepherd's Pie -
crunchy ground beef, lumpy, oily gravy, gray veggies and a white
whipped
topping I think was potato dust and water.

I worked in one elementary school this winter and every morning,
when you walked in, the odor of stewed beans met you. Terrible
way to start the morning.

k :-)

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I think they had some stuffed snail appetizer/entree that they put in
the shells. Hard to say for certain because I was always in the back
room and never ate there, but that would be my guess.

I always thought it was bizarre that they'd "recycle" something left
on a customer's plate, but I guess they viewed the shells as serving
dishes. The problem was that, oddly enough, the automatic dishwasher
wasn't made to wash the inside of snail shells.

Dave

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Pond Addict wrote:
I think they had some stuffed snail appetizer/entree that they put in
the shells. Hard to say for certain because I was always in the back
room and never ate there, but that would be my guess.

I always thought it was bizarre that they'd "recycle" something left
on a customer's plate, but I guess they viewed the shells as serving
dishes. The problem was that, oddly enough, the automatic dishwasher
wasn't made to wash the inside of snail shells.

Dave



The snail shells are actually bought and used as serving utensils.

Those shells come from fairly large snails and are not the size that are
actually served which come from a can and then stuffed into the large
reusable shells.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:46:12 EDT, Derek Broughton
wrote:

Surely you've heard how bad English cooking is.

Ah no, but sounds pretty bad. Did you know, occurring to my son's doctor,
that veggies boiled almost to death, have less allergens in them? Course I
guess if it makes you not eat them, or very little the less likely you are
to have a bad reaction. ;-) ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:04:26 EDT, kathy wrote:

I didn't run into school lunches until we moved to the States.

I love the title of this thread and where we've gone with it... and no Jim
we don't need a title change, imo. ;-)

Perhaps it was because I grew up in small town American, and the lunch was
prepared on site? We had creamed tuna over fresh biscuits, something wheat
sensitive me can't duplicate with other flours. :-( And there was some sort
of meat roll that they served with gravy, oh my gosh was that good and
filling. And the FRIED chicken!!!! And to have real buttered open face
bread.

Hmmm.... I hate this thread, I haven't missed wheat really, until just now.
;-) ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

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I don't like to eat artichokes.

....I just thought I'd mention that.

Wait, I'm confused. Is this thread about frogs that kill or... how to
kill frogs? Because, if it's the latter, I suggest throwing artichokes
at them. Maybe eggplants too. There's something "other worldly" about
the way eggplants look. They look like the heads of those creatures in
Aliens. No way I'm putting one of those in my stomach; I've seen what
happens.

Dave

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There's a lot of danger in the kitchen, and just not from
vegetables masquerading as aliens.
I do have organic romaine in my freezer which I feed to tadpoles
bringing the thread back to frogs and feeding pre-frogs so they
can grow up to be frog legs.
Tonight I tried to introduce scallops to the youngest.
He looked, he sniffed, he licked one, he thought about dosing
it in ketchup and then he passed.

k :-)

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~ jan wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:46:12 EDT, Derek Broughton
wrote:

Surely you've heard how bad English cooking is.

Ah no, but sounds pretty bad. Did you know, occurring to my son's doctor,
that veggies boiled almost to death, have less allergens in them?

I didn't _know_ that, but they've got fewer vitamins or any other nutrients,
too, so it probably follows.

Course I
guess if it makes you not eat them, or very little the less likely you are
to have a bad reaction. ;-) ~ jan

yeah. My father ate all his vegetables raw. My mother seemed to think it
was just a strange character quirk. I've come to realize it was
self-defense...
--
derek

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Pond Addict wrote:

I don't like to eat artichokes.

...I just thought I'd mention that.

Wait, I'm confused. Is this thread about frogs that kill or... how to
kill frogs?

For the life of me, I have no idea - it was already beyond frogs when I got
involved :-)

Because, if it's the latter, I suggest throwing artichokes
at them. Maybe eggplants too. There's something "other worldly" about
the way eggplants look. They look like the heads of those creatures in
Aliens.

Brussels sprouts - they're just small versions of the eggs in "Alien", and
remember what happened with them...
--
derek

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kathy wrote:

Tonight I tried to introduce scallops to the youngest.
He looked, he sniffed, he licked one, he thought about dosing
it in ketchup and then he passed.

Barbarian!
--
derek

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Barbarian!

18 year old boy - goes without saying!
(This morning, with his last five minutes, on the last day to
turn in books at school, he conducted a huge archaeological
dig of his room to find a mythology book - The Odyssey, which
seems fitting. Many interesting things came to light, odd food
mutations, dust bunnies with teeth, used towels that crawled
out under their own power.)