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I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to
move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water hawthorn. thanks Paul |
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use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid Paul wrote: I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water hawthorn. thanks Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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Paul wrote:
That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot? As long as they're getting good sunlight and nutrients - which they tend to get in garden ponds - they're going to jump pots. That's why I ended up always planting bare root - it makes dividing really simple :-) I just wire the tuber to a rock. Others have had too much trouble with fish nibbling the plants for that, though. -- derek |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot? ================ Yes! Most pond plants will spread rapidly and "jump their pots" in time. Others drop so many seeds you'll see them coming up in other pots in your pond. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?
In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) Just because it was in a book doesn't make it true, any more than if it's on a .edu site :-) I completely stopped potting lilies. The only reason for soil of any kind is if you have fish that keep nibbling on their roots. Then minimally nutrient rich is good. Clay works because it actually binds some of the nutrients, so it doesn't release them into the water as manure does. The only problem with pea gravel is not that it doesn't provide nutrients - it's just an almighty pain to try dividing a lily whose roots have grown around a couple of kilos of gravel! The only thing wrong with Ingrid's suggestion, ime, is that topping the soil with gravel still ends up with the roots all around the gravel. It's only there to keep the koi out of the plant, and I'd use much larger stones (after all, koi can move pea gravel, anyway). Manure is a really, really, stupid thing to add to a pond with fish. Fish provide plenty of their own manure. The last thing you ever want to do in a fish pond, if you can help it, is to add fertilizer. You want the plants to take up as much of the nutrients as possible, so that the algae doesn't get it and so that the fish don't have ammonia/nitrite problems. I fasten a 6" lily tuber to a rock in Spring and drop them to 4-5'. By August, they get so large that the tuber is around 18" and the foliage is so bouyant the rock's a foot off the pond bottom. -- derek |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . |
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment with fertilizer spikes. Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head) ===================== I use rich topsoil that collects from my neighbor's pasture in the runoff area on my property. It settles there free for the tanking. I add a broken Jobe's Rose spike and they flower from mid spring to first good frost. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Altum wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. -- derek |
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Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. -- derek |
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Derek Broughton wrote: otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much better with proper food. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
CanadianCowboyİ wrote: Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel. pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho. water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters either. Ingrid otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept. I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Thanks in advance ! |
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"CanadianCowboyİ" wrote in message . .. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. ======================== I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds*. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"CanadianCowboyİ" wrote in message . .. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. ======================== I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll all flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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well I got some of those palm sized river rocks in there with gravel around, but yes,
eventually I find them reaching over the rim. And I have a large short black tub for the one lily I have covers most of the pond. I think it is 24 inch diameter. this Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge. Ingrid Paul wrote: That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot? Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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for koi, I do use those big palm sized river rock to keep the kids out of the pot. I
only repot every 3 years, and altho it is messy I dont have a problem with the roots wrapped around the gravel. I set up the new tub with good loam been sitting in water for a few hours, just plunge the root down into the muck then bring it back up to the correct height. plug in the fert tabs and cover with rocks and gravel. my comment about pea gravel is what I been told by Marilyn Buscher http://home.wi.rr.com/windyoaks/ who wholesales to the Illinois and Wisconsin. She has tried almost everything out there to make dividing, transplant and transport easier. Ingrid Derek Broughton wrote: The only problem with pea gravel is not that it doesn't provide nutrients - it's just an almighty pain to try dividing a lily whose roots have grown around a couple of kilos of gravel! The only thing wrong with Ingrid's suggestion, ime, is that topping the soil with gravel still ends up with the roots all around the gravel. It's only there to keep the koi out of the plant, and I'd use much larger stones (after all, koi can move pea gravel, anyway). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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"Altum" wrote in message . com... I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll all flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer. ======================= Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't find anywhere local that sells the stuff. Thanks. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-Lo wrote: "CanadianCowboyİ" wrote in message . .. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. ======================== I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. Carolyn Adamo Gulley 3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806 Phone 615-459-9345 Is a confirmed liar and slanderer, all around Usenet Kook. Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details. http://tinyurl.com/99azt http://tinyurl.com/87ow4 http://tinyurl.com/d6t5m http://tinyurl.com/aheek http://tinyurl.com/ck97r http://tinyurl.com/cm3dp http://tinyurl.com/8bscg http://tinyurl.com/7epdg http://tinyurl.com/bya3z When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking http://tinyurl.com/8wryt She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing. Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's, and she has been doing this for the last 10 years. She also claims she is an expert on Fis and aquariums. This has been a confirmed lie as well. All her advice comes from other sources, which plagerize and claims as her own. Before you reply to her on any topic , you may want to ask her a few things or only one. _Where does she get her information? _Can her information be verified? _Is the information up to date? _What is the purpose of her post? On the topic of JW's does she present reliable facts about JW's or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost every country in the world? O the topic of fish, ask where she got her information, and since she replies on several aquarium newsgroups, where does she gets the time to do what she claim she does? an analysis oof he usenet posting indicates sge is glued to her keyboard harrassing JW's. Carol is well known Nut case in Mt Juliet TN. Don't belive me? Call her Sheriff, they will tell you stories; call them yourselves: Rutherford County Sheriff's Office 940 New Salem Highway Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37129 615-898-7770 In any case ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in participating with her distributing false information elsewhere? Facts about Carol: *She can never present evidence. *She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why bring it up? *She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid killfiles. A TOS offense *She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail addresses ;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them: If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at , or by writing to: DirecPC Customer Care Center 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 USA Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP like to be associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected under the First. It affects their commercial interest. Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their block List Direcpc.com Why does Carol behave as she does? Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Mt Juliet Tn. Is a life long underachiever. She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a biker gangsters in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her former website that she has 2 failed marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with no place to go. She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker. By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person. o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Altum" wrote in message . com... I have a light fish load in my barrel pond, so I have to add potassium nitrate for mine. If you add a bit of potassium phosphate, they'll all flower. Sometimes they look a touch chlorotic and then I add some hydroponic iron/trace element fertilizer. ======================= Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't find anywhere local that sells the stuff. Thanks. http://www.gregwatson.com. Plantex CSM+B is great stuff and he carries the bulk potassium nitrate and potassium phosphate. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:16:24 -0500, CanadianCowboyİ
wrote: I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Thanks in advance ! Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail to thrive. ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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~ janj wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:16:24 -0500, CanadianCowboyİ wrote: I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Thanks in advance ! Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail to thrive. ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a Do you know "off hand" what the PH level should be ? What is the most economical way of testing ? What can I do to raise or lower it ? Thanks ! |
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Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg
it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge. Ingrid Absolutely gorgeous picture. The water, the weathered the wood, the greenery/flowers, really cool. Reminds me of being on a dock (weathered wood) on the lake I grew up by. I was involved with "fish"ing then too. ;) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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Before throwing any fertilizer in, check your pH. If the pH is too high or
low, you can throw all the fert. you want in, and the plant will still fail to thrive. ~ jan Do you know "off hand" what the PH level should be ? What is the most economical way of testing ? What can I do to raise or lower it ? For most aquatic plants that we hobbyist use, 6.8 - 8.4. As far as a test kit, I like the Hagen/Nutrafin Wide Range test. It tests from 4.5-9.0. One should have on hand a KH test also. Without a good KH reading your pH will jump all over the place. Fixing a pH problem is on a case by case basis, but to raise pH, baking soda works great, plus it adds buffering. To lower pH is a touchier subject and I won't address it at this time, questions need to be asked an answered before preceding with lowering one's pH. ~ jan :o) ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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"Altum" wrote in message m... http://www.gregwatson.com. Plantex CSM+B is great stuff and he carries the bulk potassium nitrate and potassium phosphate. ================= Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Richard Sexton wrote:
In article , Derek Broughton wrote: otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be happy. How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go for my little barrels. You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much better with proper food. Oh, crap (literally). I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond. My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18" or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I could have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to do it! Do you actually have a pond Richard? I _know_ you're an aquarium expert, but I seriously doubt your pond experience. Compost is NOT a good idea for a planted _fish_ pond. -- derek |
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wrote:
for koi, I do use those big palm sized river rock to keep the kids out of the pot. I only repot every 3 years, and altho it is messy I dont have a problem with the roots wrapped around the gravel. I set up the new tub with good loam been sitting in water for a few hours, just plunge the root down into the muck then bring it back up to the correct height. plug in the fert tabs and cover with rocks and gravel. my comment about pea gravel is what I been told by Marilyn Buscher http://home.wi.rr.com/windyoaks/ who wholesales to the Illinois and Wisconsin. She has tried almost everything out there to make dividing, transplant and transport easier. Well, I know people do it, and I guess others haven't had as much trouble as I did, but I can't see how dividing anything can be easier than dividing bare-root lilies :-) Richard's comment that "they will grow much much better with proper food" definitely applies when you're a commercial grower - then you want to fertilize and divide as often as possible. Me, I stick to bare-root because they do well enough that I have to divide annually. -- derek |
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"Derek Broughton" wrote in message ... Well, I know people do it, and I guess others haven't had as much trouble as I did, but I can't see how dividing anything can be easier than dividing bare-root lilies :-) Richard's comment that "they will grow much much better with proper food" definitely applies when you're a commercial grower - then you want to fertilize and divide as often as possible. Me, I stick to bare-root because they do well enough that I have to divide annually. ================= The year I tried to grow mine bare-root and a few in just pea gravel they didn't thrive at all. They grew small leaves and there were no flowers. I went back to using rich topsoil and Jobe's fertilizer spikes. They grow leaves as large as dinner plates and flower for several months. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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thank you, thank you. and now we got pillows of moss growing around the waterfall.
is very nice. and the tall bunches of cyperus made it thru the winter in the basement so spring is going to look better than in years past. Ingrid ~ janj wrote: Texas dawn is huge. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/7-15-2003f.jpg it covers most of 1/2 of the pond. it sits on a ledge. Ingrid Absolutely gorgeous picture. The water, the weathered the wood, the greenery/flowers, really cool. Reminds me of being on a dock (weathered wood) on the lake I grew up by. I was involved with "fish"ing then too. ;) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . Feed more often. Many books recommend 2x day. 3x wouldn't hurt IMHO. |
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Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. I've used a product that is intended to provide trace elements for citrus, "Citrus Growers Mix" or something like that. All chelated minerals. Water soluble. HTH |
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thank you, thank you. and now we got pillows of moss growing around the waterfall.
is very nice. and the tall bunches of cyperus made it thru the winter in the basement so spring is going to look better than in years past. Ingrid Speaking of moss, my little ferny moss that grows in the stream did really well over winter. I guess it needs just a little moisture to keep it alive. Last year, where it didn't get hardly any moisture it died. I put more in that area, and it is still green this spring. :) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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"Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" writes: Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this place out. I've used a product that is intended to provide trace elements for citrus, "Citrus Growers Mix" or something like that. All chelated minerals. Water soluble. HTH =========================== Yes, that's what I need. There's a huge Nursery and Greenhouse in my area. I think before getting it on the net and having to pay S&H charges (which can be 1/2 the cost of the product) I will see if they can order me something like that. I need to talk to the owner instead of the gal at the register. Mennonites run the place and I know they grow much of their own food outside the city. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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~ janj wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:27:29 +0000 (UTC), (Richard Sexton) wrote: Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong? In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters it's suggested you use manure, Yeee-ow, you use manure, you get green pond. Been there, done that. My ponds were ready for St. Pat's day that year. I'd only redone 2 pots, pulled them out, used my unadulterated sandy soil, clear pond in 2 days, thanks to a good filter. ~ jan ;o) You seal it with fine beach sand. I use it in aquariums. http://images.aquaria.net/tanks/rjs/tk-1/ This tank has had manure under the 3" of beach sand for 7 years. Some poeple get green water without manure, but it's possible to use it and not have green water. The net is great and all but books are still good. Masters book has lots of pictutes of great and clear ponds with manute in the lily pots. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
To Compost or Not to Compost
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Derek Broughton wrote: You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either. Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in soil. State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much better with proper food. Oh, crap (literally). Your opinion, while interesting, has been disproved. In the past fifteen years we've figured out how to make those heavily planted crystal clear tanks full of fast growing plants like only the dutch used to do. IN a nutshell what was missing was the things NOT in fish poop. Innes also contended "fish fertilize plants" and ferilization was "a noble but foolish experiment". He was wrong, as we've learned, but he did write that in the 1899-1904 timeframe when he wrote his pond and then aquarium book. I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond. My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18" or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I could have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to do it! Ok, so you think you're nuts, but the point still stands. With proper feeding they'll do *better*. Do you actually have a pond Richard? I _know_ you're an aquarium expert, but I seriously doubt your pond experience. Compost is NOT a good idea for a planted _fish_ pond. I wrote about my pond in some back issue of TFH a few years back. I Was thinking of doing a few more which is why I'm here. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
To Compost or Not to Compost
While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the
cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow, _then_ they lose their roots. How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months . If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps. I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other than throwing them in. Get then to a hydroponics.com franchise. Use potassium sulphate or potassium nitrate (if you're nitrates are low). And use the iron+trace mix. These are whan you're deficient in. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
To Compost or Not to Compost
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Koi-Lo wrote: I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive. You're low on iron (+traces). -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
To Compost or Not to Compost
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Koi-Lo wrote: Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't find anywhere local that sells the stuff. http://gregwatson.com -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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