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What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for
Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? TIA John |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"JB" wrote in message link.net... I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. The hobbyist pond owners are ripped off annually. Look at all the companies getting on the bandwagon for a piece of the pie. I feed my outdoor koi and goldfish a mix of trout chow, catfish chow (about $12 per 50lb bag) and puppy and kitten chow. Check out my website to see how they're thriving and breeding like crazy! Don't believe those who say you have to feed them tons of the cheaper food to come near the overpriced products. That isn't true at all. My filters don't need cleaning any more than when I was paying outrageous prices for their food. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. Head to your nearest Farm & Home store such as Tractor Supply and buy there...... What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
... Head to your nearest Farm & Home store such as Tractor Supply and buy there...... I took that advise, and it's been very beneficial. I think we got a 50 lb bag for $6-$8. -- Gareee© (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
Never yet have bought regular koi food for my koi in all the years I have kept them. All I have ever fed is a localy prepared fish chow that costs 5 or 6 bucks for a 50# sack........Ingredient for ingredient, it has pretty darn close to identical ingredients as the Rangen (sp?) brand of koi food. I also on occassion buy a nationally known manufacturers brand of food just for a chamge, (Land O' Lakes or Faithway Feed) as it only costs about $2.00 more per 50# sack than the locally made stuff does...... -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:49:54 GMT, "JB" wrote:
I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? John Hi John, I purchased thru Western Outdoor Aquatics/Western Pond. I guess I didn't pay attention to the price change. I usually get my Sho Koi, 10 lbs. & Sho Gold at the same time so I get the free shipping. I also ordered a box of Manda Fu, so that should cover me for this season. ~ jan, certified AKCA koi health advisor. -------------- See my ponds and filter design: www.jjspond.us ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... Head to your nearest Farm & Home store such as Tractor Supply and buy there...... I took that advise, and it's been very beneficial. I think we got a 50 lb bag for $6-$8. ===================== Yes, and watch for sales. Last spring we only paid $9.99 per 50lb bag. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
... "Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... Head to your nearest Farm & Home store such as Tractor Supply and buy there...... I took that advise, and it's been very beneficial. I think we got a 50 lb bag for $6-$8. ===================== Yes, and watch for sales. Last spring we only paid $9.99 per 50lb bag. Scratches head....You paid $9.99 on sale.. I got mine for less without a sale! ;) -- Gareee© (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... "Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... Head to your nearest Farm & Home store such as Tractor Supply and buy there...... I took that advise, and it's been very beneficial. I think we got a 50 lb bag for $6-$8. ===================== Yes, and watch for sales. Last spring we only paid $9.99 per 50lb bag. Scratches head....You paid $9.99 on sale.. I got mine for less without a sale! ;) ==================== Which product did you buy? Catfish chow here runs around $10.99 per 50 bag. Trout chow about the same. After spending over $5 a lb for koi and GF foods I thought that was a bargain. I've never seen the 50 lb bags go that cheap. I thought perhaps it was a typo and you meant $16 to $18 a 50lb bag. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.* ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
... Which product did you buy? Catfish chow here runs around $10.99 per 50 bag. Trout chow about the same. After spending over $5 a lb for koi and GF foods I thought that was a bargain. I've never seen the 50 lb bags go that cheap. I thought perhaps it was a typo and you meant $16 to $18 a 50lb bag. I'd have to check.. keep in mind I AM in the boondocks, and prices aren't always jacked up, and customers taken advantage of. Kinda weird living this way... LOL! -- Gareee© (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
Rangen. http://makeashorterlink.com/?U10B215EC
look for fish food with water type proteins, like krill or fish meal in the first couple ingredients. and take a good sniff... if it smells rancid for God's sake dont feed it to the fish. High quality food should be frozen and only take out what is needed for the week. Ingrid "JB" wrote: I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? TIA John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"JB" writes:
I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? I order Rangen 25 lb bags direct from the factory. The last number I used was 208 543 6421 If I recall correctly, it was about $30 plus $10 shipping. I still want to try catfish or trout chow someday. Does anyone know if one floats better than the other? I would guess that catfish sinks and trout floats... |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Andrew Burgess" wrote in message ... I still want to try catfish or trout chow someday. Does anyone know if one floats better than the other? I would guess that catfish sinks and trout floats... ================= BOTH of them float. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
... BOTH of them float. For a while at least... LOL! "They all float.. they all float down here......" ....Pennywise the Clown.... ;) -- Gareee© (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
the problem with corn based foods is the same problem found with that dog food that
was killing dogs earlier this year... contamination with fungus that causes toxins. food for trout and catfish is formulated to first be as cheap as possible and then put weight on the fish as fast as possible so they can be harvested as fast as possible. this food is not formulated for the long term health of pet fish. corn is implicated in liver disease in fish, perhaps rancidity and fungal toxins are the underlying cause. a good rule of thumb is feed what the breeders feed. Ingrid Andrew Burgess wrote: "JB" writes: I visited a couple of web sites pricing food for this season (Aqua Mart for Hakari Staple & Western Pond for Sho Koi) and noticed a jump in prices. Between the two, Western Pond was offering 10 lbs of Sho Koi for $56.98, including shipping costs. This seems about $7.00 higher than last year. What are you feeding? And, where are you buying it? I order Rangen 25 lb bags direct from the factory. The last number I used was 208 543 6421 If I recall correctly, it was about $30 plus $10 shipping. I still want to try catfish or trout chow someday. Does anyone know if one floats better than the other? I would guess that catfish sinks and trout floats... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... BOTH of them float. For a while at least... LOL! "They all float.. they all float down here......" ...Pennywise the Clown.... ;) ======================= Hey, I read that book. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
Yet another uneducated unresearched guess, made by someone who thinks
they know it all...........Catfish and trout chow can be had in sinking or floating types.........The feed mill here as well as the local farm and feed supply stores sell it in sinking and floating types....... -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
stick with what you got. altho........ GF LOVE brine shrimp and especially
daphnia. Ingrid Altum wrote: wrote: Rangen. http://makeashorterlink.com/?U10B215EC look for fish food with water type proteins, like krill or fish meal in the first couple ingredients. and take a good sniff... if it smells rancid for God's sake dont feed it to the fish. High quality food should be frozen and only take out what is needed for the week. Ingrid I have a small pond with three comets, a ryukin, and some white clouds. There's no way I could use up 25 lb. of Rangen food! I'm using Tetra Color flakes at the moment (first ingredient is fish meal), bought fresh in small batches. I've always gotten good results with a combination of Tetra foods and live foods for tropicals, but is there a better mass market food for goldfish? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
wrote in message ... the problem with corn based foods is the same problem found with that dog food that was killing dogs earlier this year... contamination with fungus that causes toxins. food for trout and catfish is formulated to first be as cheap as possible and then put weight on the fish as fast as possible so they can be harvested as fast as possible. this food is not formulated for the long term health of pet fish. corn is implicated in liver disease in fish, perhaps rancidity and fungal toxins are the underlying cause. a good rule of thumb is feed what the breeders feed. Ingrid ============== Any food can *go rancid* if it's not kept cool and dry, not just catfish and trout chow. My koi and goldfish have been on these feeds at least 7 years and breed like crazy. All are healthy and active with excellent color. No $8 to $10 a lb food fed or needed. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
wrote in message
the problem with corn based foods is the same problem found with that dog food that was killing dogs earlier this year... contamination with fungus that causes toxins. food for trout and catfish is formulated to first be as cheap as possible and then put weight on the fish as fast as possible so they can be harvested as fast as possible. this food is not formulated for the long term health of pet fish. corn is implicated in liver disease in fish, perhaps rancidity and fungal toxins are the underlying cause. a good rule of thumb is feed what the breeders feed. Ingrid ============== Any food can *go rancid* if it's not kept cool and dry, not just catfish and trout chow. My koi and goldfish have been on these feeds at least 7 years and breed like crazy. All are healthy and active with excellent color. No $8 to $10 a lb food fed or needed. That's true, rancidity, and that's great, if those foods work for you and you're happy with them. If I had as many fish as say Roy or Carol feeds, I'd be looking at Rangen, a koi food that is still fairly reasonable priced, jmo. As tis, many of us, similar to Altuma, have fewer fish, so we don't need to buy in bulk, and it would/could be hazardous to our fishes health if we did (rancidity). Ingrid did mention something about keep foods frozen, and that's one of the reasons I like ShoKoi, it is freezable. Some brands mention not to freeze, it was explained to me something about the oils separating??? I'm not quite sure, so read the label. And just an aside, if you go to a backyard fish store and they try to sell you X-koi food in an old ice cream container, take a pass on it. ;o) ~ jan -------------- See my ponds and filter design: www.jjspond.us ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Roy wrote:
Yet another uneducated unresearched guess, made by someone who thinks they know it all...........Catfish and trout chow can be had in sinking or floating types.........The feed mill here as well as the local farm and feed supply stores sell it in sinking and floating types....... So I guess the bottom line is you feed what you feed your fish and they do just fine...Koi-Lo feeds her fish what she feeds her fish and they do just fine...whether it sinks or floats is academic...you both agreed that the alternatives that you use do your fish just great...rather than the more expensive alternatives... |
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wrote:
stick with what you got. altho........ GF LOVE brine shrimp and especially daphnia. Ingrid Cool! I've got frozen daphnia for the killies and I pick up gut-loaded fresh brine shrimp sometimes. I'll toss some in the pond. Thanks so much. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"~ janj" wrote in message ... wrote in message the problem with corn based foods is the same problem found with that dog food that was killing dogs earlier this year... contamination with fungus that causes toxins. food for trout and catfish is formulated to first be as cheap as possible and then put weight on the fish as fast as possible so they can be harvested as fast as possible. this food is not formulated for the long term health of pet fish. corn is implicated in liver disease in fish, perhaps rancidity and fungal toxins are the underlying cause. a good rule of thumb is feed what the breeders feed. Ingrid ============== Any food can *go rancid* if it's not kept cool and dry, not just catfish and trout chow. My koi and goldfish have been on these feeds at least 7 years and breed like crazy. All are healthy and active with excellent color. No $8 to $10 a lb food fed or needed. ======================= That's true, rancidity, and that's great, if those foods work for you and you're happy with them. If I had as many fish as say Roy or Carol feeds, I'd be looking at Rangen, a koi food that is still fairly reasonable priced, jmo. I need something affordable. And considering they went through as much $8+ lb food as they do the cheaper foods, I'll stick to the cheaper foods. As tis, many of us, similar to Altuma, have fewer fish, so we don't need to buy in bulk, and it would/could be hazardous to our fishes health if we did (rancidity). When I only had a few koi and GF I also bought the expensive foods in 5 lbs bags. Personally I can't see any difference in their health, breeding or color on the cheaper chows (including puppy and kitty chow mixed in). I keep all their food indoors in the coolest driest place in my A/C home. The garage or outbuilding are the last places I would keep fish food. Not only would it quickly get rancid buy insects would infest it. Ingrid did mention something about keep foods frozen, and that's one of the reasons I like ShoKoi, it is freezable. Some people have too many fish to freeze their foods. Some brands mention not to freeze, it was explained to me something about the oils separating??? I'm not quite sure, so read the label. And just an aside, if you go to a backyard fish store and they try to sell you X-koi food in an old ice cream container, take a pass on it. ;o) ~ jan I've been buying most of mine at TFC, in bags - it's always been fresh, bug free and the fish love it. If there's anything left in the fall it gets mixed into the compost pile. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
I need something affordable. And considering they went through as much $8+
lb food as they do the cheaper foods, I'll stick to the cheaper foods. I think you made that point, there was a reason you needed to repeat it? Did my post some how offend you? That was not my intent. :o\ Some people have too many fish to freeze their foods. And your point? Why don't we stick to what we know/do, and not bring up the problems of "some people"? Some people don't have fish, some people pay big bucks/lb. some people don't. Some people freeze, some people don't.... one could go on and on, picking on some people, or worst, try to validate their point using "some people". If :some people: have too many fish to freeze their food, they go thru the food fast enough they wouldn't need to, don't they? Perhaps these "some people" can answer that one, and get more OnT action going on RP. :o) ~ jan -------------- See my ponds and filter design: www.jjspond.us ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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"~ janj" wrote in message ... I need something affordable. And considering they went through as much $8+ lb food as they do the cheaper foods, I'll stick to the cheaper foods. I think you made that point, there was a reason you needed to repeat it? A lot of information is repeated on NGs. Did my post some how offend you? That was not my intent. :o\ No, I was not at all offended. :-) Some people have too many fish to freeze their foods. And your point? The point is not all of us with many fish can afford a separate freezer or have the space for one. 50lbs of fish food is a lot of food. It's not going to fit in a regular fridge's freezer as you know. Why don't we stick to what we know/do, and not bring up the problems of "some people"? Huh...... ??? Some people don't have fish, some people pay big bucks/lb. some people don't. Some people freeze, some people don't.... one could go on and on, picking on some people, or worst, try to validate their point using "some people". What is *your* point? I seem to be missing it. If :some people: have too many fish to freeze their food, they go thru the food fast enough they wouldn't need to, don't they? Not when they buy it by the 50lb bag. Maybe we talking about 2 different things here.......... Perhaps these "some people" can answer that one, and get more OnT action going on RP. :o) ~ jan -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
most people seriously overfeed their Koi and GF too. how many fish do you have?
Ingrid Some people have too many fish to freeze their foods. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
wrote in message ... most people seriously overfeed their Koi and GF too. how many fish do you have? Ingrid Some people have too many fish to freeze their foods. ===================== My NR can't tell who this is addressed to as it's under Jan's but the quote is from my message. I have between 20 and 25 koi that are up to 6 years old, about 120 year old koi (that are being delivered this coming week) and probably 50 goldfish of various sizes and ages. That's why we buy our feed in 50 lb bags. Last year they and all the fry went through about 100 lbs of feed. We have a long feeding season here in TN, from mid/late March to late Nov or early Dec. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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wrote in message
most people seriously overfeed their Koi and GF too. how many fish do you have? Ingrid I think this one we can file under the need to "overfeed" when one buys the cheaper foods to get the same amount of nutrition in the fish as the higher priced stuff, as you've mentioned. I found that out with dog food years ago. Small dog, grocery store "cheap" brand, feed 3 cups. Higher priced, but vet recommended brand, feed 1 cup. Price difference, practically nil, when one takes in that ratio. Big difference, how much comes out the other end. In fish, if your filter can handle it, and you're not worried about the other concerns, no biggie. With dogs, again if you're not worried about health concerns (which was the reason that made us switch), if you don't mind picking up more poo. No biggie. I don't think any of us here on this newsgroup has a koi in the 50 year age range, that they've raised in a garden pond setting. When someone does, that's the person who will get my attention. I bet we find out it comes down to not just processed food, but quite a bit of natural whole foods too. :o) jmo, ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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~ janj wrote:
I don't think any of us here on this newsgroup has a koi in the 50 year age range, that they've raised in a garden pond setting. When someone does, that's the person who will get my attention. I bet we find out it comes down to not just processed food, but quite a bit of natural whole foods too. :o) jmo, ~ jan On the side of the cheap-food feeders, there's the argument that nobody here has a koi in the 50 year age range :-) I've never lost a koi to disease or starvation. I don't intend to fatten them up on expensive food just for the sake of the Herons and Raccoons :-) (I doubt anyone would ever accuse me of overfeeding, either). -- derek |
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On the side of the cheap-food feeders, there's the argument that nobody
here has a koi in the 50 year age range :-) My opinion? I'm cheap, I spend as little as I can when I shop for myself, and the fish aren't any better then me. If one really wants or needs to be cheap, lower the fish load and they can live off what falls, crawls, flies, jumps or grows in the pond. ;o) ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
My NR can't tell who this is addressed to as it's under Jan's but the quote is from my message. I have between 20 and 25 koi that are up to 6 years old, about 120 year old koi (that are being delivered this coming week) and probably 50 goldfish of various sizes and ages. That's why we buy our feed in 50 lb bags. Last year they and all the fry went through about 100 lbs of feed. We have a long feeding season here in TN, from mid/late March to late Nov or early Dec. 120 koi? Wow. Where are you going to put them all? Are any BF koi? Yellow BF koi are my absolute fave, with orange a close second. :-) -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:13:05 GMT, Altum wrote:
Koi-Lo wrote: My NR can't tell who this is addressed to as it's under Jan's but the quote is from my message. I have between 20 and 25 koi that are up to 6 years old, about 120 year old koi (that are being delivered this coming week) and probably 50 goldfish of various sizes and ages. That's why we buy our feed in 50 lb bags. Last year they and all the fry went through about 100 lbs of feed. We have a long feeding season here in TN, from mid/late March to late Nov or early Dec. 120 koi? Wow. Where are you going to put them all? Are any BF koi? Yellow BF koi are my absolute fave, with orange a close second. :-) I thought you had ordered some really old koi. I was going to ask how long koi lived. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Stings like a butterfly, floats like a bee |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Derek Broughton" wrote in message ... ~ janj wrote: I don't think any of us here on this newsgroup has a koi in the 50 year age range, that they've raised in a garden pond setting. When someone does, that's the person who will get my attention. I bet we find out it comes down to not just processed food, but quite a bit of natural whole foods too. :o) jmo, ~ jan On the side of the cheap-food feeders, there's the argument that nobody here has a koi in the 50 year age range :-) I've never lost a koi to disease or starvation. I don't intend to fatten them up on expensive food just for the sake of the Herons and Raccoons :-) (I doubt anyone would ever accuse me of overfeeding, either). ==================== They always seem to fall back on those using cheaper feeds as "overfeeding" their fish. My koi and GF ate the *SAME AMOUNT* of expensive foods they did the cheaper foods when I switched. My filters still had to be cleaned every 2 weeks or so - there was no difference in the amount of feces, mulm or algae. They spawn perfect fry with almost 99% survival rate. So why feed the expensive foods? I just don't get it?!?!?! It kind of reminds me of the vets who charge the farmer 25¢ for a capsule of antibiotic and the poodle owner $2.50. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Gareee©" wrote in message ... "Derek Broughton" wrote in message ... On the side of the cheap-food feeders, there's the argument that nobody here has a koi in the 50 year age range :-) My opinion? I'm cheap, I spend as little as I can when I shop for myself, and the fish aren't any better then me. ====================== Gareee, look at the pics of the GF and Koi on my website below - do they look obese, half dead and/or sick from trout, catfish, puppy and kitty chow? The pics I see of show koi are all fatter than my koi. Some look like stuffed sausages that couldn't even turn around if their life depended on it! I'm with you and don't plan to make a few obscenely greedy feed companies richer...... -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Altum" wrote in message . net... Koi-Lo wrote: My NR can't tell who this is addressed to as it's under Jan's but the quote is from my message. I have between 20 and 25 koi that are up to 6 years old, about 120 year old koi (that are being delivered this coming week) and probably 50 goldfish of various sizes and ages. That's why we buy our feed in 50 lb bags. Last year they and all the fry went through about 100 lbs of feed. We have a long feeding season here in TN, from mid/late March to late Nov or early Dec. 120 koi? Wow. Where are you going to put them all? Almost all are being delivered (next week) to a store in the city that sells pond fish and supplies. :-) I also have about 6 adults that he'll take in a few weeks. We have to remove some from the 2000g pond as it's getting overcrowded. Are any BF koi? Yes, many of them being sold are BFs. But I will still have a 680g tank of about 25 small butterflies because I haven't decided which to keep for myself yet. I want them to pattern and color up a bit more before I sell them. Eventually I will have *only* butterfly koi. They're definitely much more beautiful than the short-fin koi. I have both scaled and scaleless, mirror and diamond-scale BF koi in many colors. I even have two ghost-diamond-scale BF koi. Yellow BF koi are my absolute fave, with orange a close second. :-) YEP!!! I love the orange and yellow diamond-scale butterflies and have several breeders. :-)) My 800g has nothing but young adult diamond-scale butterflies. I also have a gorgeous blue mirror butterfly. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
I hate to jump into this thread as it is a pretty passionate one here - I have to agree with Jan as I went thru the same experience as Jan a few years ago - my cat had to go in for a operation and the vet gave us some "high end" food for her recovery - 3 days later we called him as she was passing almost no waste compared to before and we were worried something was wrong - he said the food we were feeding her before was loaded with filler and less nutrients that she could use - it was not medicated, just more expensive food because of less filler, ergo less waste to pass - I went to better food for the pond and now clean my upflow filter once a season rather than 3 to 4 times / season with same amount of food (my choice - I spoil my pets when they beg :~) ) Gale :~) I found that out with dog food years ago. Small dog, grocery store "cheap" brand, feed 3 cups. Higher priced, but vet recommended brand, feed 1 cup. Price difference, practically nil, when one takes in that ratio. Big difference, how much comes out the other end. In fish, if your filter can handle it, and you're not worried about the other concerns, no biggie. With dogs, again if you're not worried about health concerns (which was the reason that made us switch), if you don't mind picking up more poo. No biggie. I don't think any of us here on this newsgroup has a koi in the 50 year age range, that they've raised in a garden pond setting. When someone does, that's the person who will get my attention. I bet we find out it comes down to not just processed food, but quite a bit of natural whole foods too. :o) jmo, ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food ThisSeason?
G Pearce wrote:
I hate to jump into this thread as it is a pretty passionate one here - I have to agree with Jan as I went thru the same experience as Jan a few years ago - my cat had to go in for a operation and the vet gave us some "high end" food for her recovery - 3 days later we called him as she was passing almost no waste compared to before and we were worried something was wrong - he said the food we were feeding her before was loaded with filler and less nutrients that she could use - it was not medicated, just more expensive food because of less filler, ergo less waste to pass - I went to better food for the pond and now clean my upflow filter once a season rather than 3 to 4 times / season with same amount of food (my choice - I spoil my pets when they beg :~) ) Gale :~) OK, I hate to jump into this as well but....now I will certainly agree that there are fish foods as well as other pet foods on the market that do not contain as much fibre or filler - hmmm, aren't we all encouraged to eat fibre that we cannot digest as part of a healthy diet??? and doesn't this apply to the health of our fish as well....a natural balanced diet contains protein, roughage, vitamins, minerals etc in fact fibre is seen as a very posititive thing for our well being and the health issues without it are quite significant - it might suit us if our pets poop a little less but I very much doubt that it is beneficial to their health....our medics would be in a panic if we didn't produce sufficient waste products diagnosing all sorts of stuff...over here, in the UK, the more regular and sufficient quantity the better (without wanting to get gross) for our health as far as our medics and health education is concerned...I don't think animals are any different... Now, I don't seem to remember anyone suggesting that they are buying cheap food full of fillers just alternative commercial options...the fish food for commercial use is cheaper because of the quantity it is purchased in...does it need to say Koi on the label??? or is that just another marketing ploy....if the fish are breeding and healthy and have good colour do we need to take issue just because of a labelling issue???? Gill |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:15:11 -0700, ~ janj
wrote: snip I don't think any of us here on this newsgroup has a koi in the 50 year age range, that they've raised in a garden pond setting. When someone does, that's the person who will get my attention. I bet we find out it comes down to not just processed food, but quite a bit of natural whole foods too. :o) jmo, ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a Perhaps not, but I do have two koi and a few white amur that were placed in the pond back in early to mid 80's and are doing just fine? I have to think that a natural pond and chepaer food is more of a better deal than a liner type pond and cheaper food would be. I can probably in all reality, get by without feeding anything to the fish at all and they would do just fine, but that takes a wqay a lot of fun and getting them to be so frieindly. Oh and corn, well, my babies would have to dissagree on that too, as many a time I set out by the pond and share a lage bag of Popcorn with them, often times popping a bag just for them..They like the cheese flavored or the extra butter flavor best. -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
What Are You Feeding & Where are You Buying Your Koi Food This Season?
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
... Gareee, look at the pics of the GF and Koi on my website below - do they look obese, half dead and/or sick from trout, catfish, puppy and kitty chow? The pics I see of show koi are all fatter than my koi. Some look like stuffed sausages that couldn't even turn around if their life depended on it! I'm with you and don't plan to make a few obscenely greedy feed companies richer...... Yep.. I can see no reason why I can buy 50 lbs of food for $6 or for $30.. I might was well buy the fish shrimp and toss it in there. Course I suppose if I was making $300,000 a year then I would buy the expensive food, just because I could. -- Gareee© (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
What Are You Feeding BF Koi
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:13:05 GMT, Altum wrote:
Yellow BF koi are my absolute fave, with orange a close second. :-) Oh man, I wish I had a digital picture to send you of some of my 2 year olds. Yellow and black. One of them currently has fins that are orange & black, while the body is yellow and black. The fins look just like a leopard, very cool. I'm down to culling so I'm not over crowded, and the choice is really hard, after culling several times before this last year. In fact, this time around I'm selling my first baby who is now 5-6 years old. The bigger the fish, the more room I gain. :-) I was also going to sell Wally, at BF (butterfly) koi I got for a $1.50 at Walmart over 10 years ago. I recently found out he's a Kikokuryu. The interesting thing about this fish, is the pattern changes on his head. At one point it looked like a cat face, with whiskers, ears, eyes, etc. This year it looks like a black spider with 6 legs. Kind of hard to sell him now, as I really like an odd koi. ;-) Yeah, yeah.... Takes after the owner. ~ jan ~ jan/WA Zone 7a |
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