And that crieteria is in whos opinion, Different areas, states
countries all have different views that are wholey legal in their way
and looked at as normal.

How about a koi grill out. Were koi recipies can be exchanged., God
forbide kill a pet koi and eat it.,,.,.hell no that would be stopped
inits tracks, yet there is a perfeclty acceptable group and a forum as
well that have no problems with killing and eating a koi nor do they
have a proboem with pitching a cull on the ground and sticking it in
the hole by a fruit tree either.....

No the majority here for the most part have a very very bnarrow minded
view of what is reality in ponding and koi world. And that alone is
going to keep this group locked down to only the moderators views ot a
view of what is fine for one is also needs to be viewed as well.

Someone ask me how grilled sanke tastes..with bell peppers adnd onions
and seasoning. Its great, nice big slabs of meat griled to a flakey
consistency, actually makes grilled snapper or grouper kind of mundane
at most since koi are quick to grow and great eating and cheap.

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:55:57 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

"Köi-Lö" wrote in message
...
[snip]
But keep in mind that the POST would have to go through to begin with. If
it's stopped in it's tracks because a moderator or two are convinced (just
an example) the cheaper food is trash, or the roof liner is toxic....
there would be no discussion!
[snip]

Your example above triggered a thought, so I'm focussing on just that
paragraph. The moderation guidelines should be written so that any content
that isn't obviously an immediate threat to health or life of fish,
wildlife, or ponders (!) should be allowed through to post, but then others
would have to post a rebuttal. In that case, also, a moderator might post
useful links.

More importantly, perhaps, if moderators were doing such a poor job that
content they personally disagreed with, based on subjective criteria, was
consistently being rejected, then anyone would still be free to post to the
unmoderated rec.ponds or any other relevant newsgroup or forum. Over time
poor moderation of RPM would result in little/no traffic. I.e., RPM would
cease to exist.

That's why it's important to read and critique the RFD when it's posted,
despite all the (mostly) useful discussion on rec.ponds. This is an
endeavor we all need to be involved with, to try to produce the best set of
guidelines we can come up with, based on our diverse experiences.

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

"Tristan" wrote in message
...

And that crieteria is in whos opinion, Different areas, states
countries all have different views that are wholey legal in their way
and looked at as normal.

I will often cringe when rec.ponders recommend adding certain types of
plants to a pond when I know it is illegal to have those plants in the state
I live in. If I know the person asking the question lives in the same state
I live in, I might post the link a state-run website about banned aquatic
plants as a way of giving someone information, their choice what to do about
it.

Presumably, that is something we have to consider about moderation policies
when the RFD is posted to news.groups.proposals.

How about a koi grill out. Were koi recipies can be exchanged., God
forbide kill a pet koi and eat it.,,.,.hell no that would be stopped
inits tracks, yet there is a perfeclty acceptable group and a forum as
well that have no problems with killing and eating a koi nor do they
have a proboem with pitching a cull on the ground and sticking it in
the hole by a fruit tree either.....

In parts of the world it is perfectly acceptable to eat cat and dog. In
most of the USA it is not acceptable. What should be done about such posts
as you describe above I have no idea. I would assume reasonable people
would be able to discuss such matters reasonably and come to a reasonable
solution, but then I've always been a bit of an optimist.

No the majority here for the most part have a very very bnarrow minded
view of what is reality in ponding and koi world. And that alone is
going to keep this group locked down to only the moderators views ot a
view of what is fine for one is also needs to be viewed as well.

Personal attack. Adds nothing to the discussion at hand.

Someone ask me how grilled sanke tastes..with bell peppers adnd onions
and seasoning. Its great, nice big slabs of meat griled to a flakey
consistency, actually makes grilled snapper or grouper kind of mundane
at most since koi are quick to grow and great eating and cheap.

I have no idea what a "sanke" is. Some sort of exotic meat or vegetable?

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

Ask Jan to explain what a Sanke is........I am sure she would be
happy to expain that being she is a koi guru...I would tell you to
ask koi lo but she would probaly lie to you.
Just because a plant is on the states hit list does not make it
illegal in all states even if on a so called list to have in your
personal possession., Were not talking pot plants were talking
invasive plants. Parrots feather and hyacinths are not allowed to be
sold and if you listen to some folks its against the law to have them,
since they construe ban to be not able to have, False entirely.
Virtually most all invasive plants listed exist in this and surounding
states however not all of thes estates consider them invasive. I can
literally walk 900 yards down to my stream and get all the parrots
feather and hyacinth I care to harvest andput it in my "private" ponds
if I so desire. Or I can go visit a friend in South Carolina and bring
home a truck load of these so called "illegal plants" and place them
in my pond and the state is not gonna do a darn thing about it.
However just don;t let me get caught selling the things to residents
of this state as thats illegal, not the act of having them. However I
can legally sell them to residents that do not live in this
state.......Its also against the law here to own a chicken eating hog,
but its done all the time......yet how a law is interpreted and by
who.

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:18:40 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
wrote:

"Tristan" wrote in message
.. .

And that crieteria is in whos opinion, Different areas, states
countries all have different views that are wholey legal in their way
and looked at as normal.

I will often cringe when rec.ponders recommend adding certain types of
plants to a pond when I know it is illegal to have those plants in the state
I live in. If I know the person asking the question lives in the same state
I live in, I might post the link a state-run website about banned aquatic
plants as a way of giving someone information, their choice what to do about
it.

Presumably, that is something we have to consider about moderation policies
when the RFD is posted to news.groups.proposals.

How about a koi grill out. Were koi recipies can be exchanged., God
forbide kill a pet koi and eat it.,,.,.hell no that would be stopped
inits tracks, yet there is a perfeclty acceptable group and a forum as
well that have no problems with killing and eating a koi nor do they
have a proboem with pitching a cull on the ground and sticking it in
the hole by a fruit tree either.....

In parts of the world it is perfectly acceptable to eat cat and dog. In
most of the USA it is not acceptable. What should be done about such posts
as you describe above I have no idea. I would assume reasonable people
would be able to discuss such matters reasonably and come to a reasonable
solution, but then I've always been a bit of an optimist.

No the majority here for the most part have a very very bnarrow minded
view of what is reality in ponding and koi world. And that alone is
going to keep this group locked down to only the moderators views ot a
view of what is fine for one is also needs to be viewed as well.

Personal attack. Adds nothing to the discussion at hand.

Someone ask me how grilled sanke tastes..with bell peppers adnd onions
and seasoning. Its great, nice big slabs of meat griled to a flakey
consistency, actually makes grilled snapper or grouper kind of mundane
at most since koi are quick to grow and great eating and cheap.

I have no idea what a "sanke" is. Some sort of exotic meat or vegetable?

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

And I thought sanke was a typo for snake....learn something new every
day - lol

BTW what is a sanke....I could google but it is getting late

Gill

Sanke is a coloration of a koi. White body with red and black
markings......then again it could be a showa-sanke..which is a black
koi with red and white patterns.......ya gotta learn them japanese
names for colors if ya wanna be a koi keeper ;-)


On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:14:40 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


And I thought sanke was a typo for snake....learn something new every
day - lol

BTW what is a sanke....I could google but it is getting late

Gill

Actually its usually called go-sanke. They make the best table fare
due to the white skin on them, is more appealing to folks. :-)
Don't knock grilled koi until you try it. Its only a fancy carp.



On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:22:58 -0600, Tristan
wrote:



Sanke is a coloration of a koi. White body with red and black
markings......then again it could be a showa-sanke..which is a black
koi with red and white patterns.......ya gotta learn them japanese
names for colors if ya wanna be a koi keeper ;-)


On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:14:40 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


And I thought sanke was a typo for snake....learn something new every
day - lol

BTW what is a sanke....I could google but it is getting late

Gill

Well all I can say is when I get into the intracies of keeping Koi I
hope you guys are around to put me right.....and help out...even if it
is on a moderated group which I guess would allow me to sort the wheat
from the chaff....without the hassle of sorting it manually in my head...

Gill

All you have to do is keep a cheat sheet in your pocket or tacked on
the ponds edge so you can refer to it. Then when someone says oh, look
at the fish that looks like a Dalmation dog.........you can
nonchalantly meander over to your note and give it a quick glance and
say, oh, you like that bekko koi to.....yes but it has a hint of a
bit of hi so its not really a good example as that one over there,
without the hi, is a good example of a bekko koi. (bekko is a koi
that is colored like a dalmation dog and "HI" is not from the fish
smoking dope, it too is a coloration of orange.
Koi that are supposed to only have two colors are known as IIRC
Utsuri koi. A bekko is a utsuri koi, a go-sanke is not. I think I have
the terms and colors right, but don't place any bets with a real koi
keeper on it, you may loose. ;-)

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:50:34 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Well all I can say is when I get into the intracies of keeping Koi I
hope you guys are around to put me right.....and help out...even if it
is on a moderated group which I guess would allow me to sort the wheat
from the chaff....without the hassle of sorting it manually in my head...

Gill

Well all I can say is when I get into the intracies of keeping Koi I
hope you guys are around to put me right.....and help out...even if it
is on a moderated group which I guess would allow me to sort the wheat
from the chaff....without the hassle of sorting it manually in my head...
Gill

LOL! The moderators get the chaff don't they? ;-) ~ jan

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

And I thought sanke was a typo for snake....learn something new every
day - lol

BTW what is a sanke....I could google but it is getting late

Gill
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http://www.lochnesswatergardens.com/sanke.htm a very pretty colorful koi.
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:38:33 -0600, Köi-Lö wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
. ..

And I thought sanke was a typo for snake....learn something new every
day - lol

BTW what is a sanke....I could google but it is getting late

Gill
==================
http://www.lochnesswatergardens.com/sanke.htm a very pretty colorful koi.

I have no idea what a "sanke" is. Some sort of exotic meat or vegetable?

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

Tri-Colored (red,black,white) Koi. ~ jan :-)

"~ janj" wrote in message
...
I have no idea what a "sanke" is. Some sort of exotic meat or vegetable?

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

Tri-Colored (red,black,white) Koi. ~ jan :-)

Thanks, Jan. I've seen photos and even live koi (I've been to Water Garden
Gems in TX on several occasions), but never had koi of my own, so I didn't
pick up on the terminology.

I shouldn't say I've never had koi of my own; on two occasions a local pet
shop sold me what I thought were goldfish and turned out to be koi. I
returned them for goldfish.

Gail

Well not in that basic aspect. Its a fish with a "white" body and red
and black marking on the white body. You can also have a black bodied
fish or even a red bodied, with the other two colors and its not a
sanke...at least not how it was explained to me.

On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:20:48 GMT, ~ janj wrote:

I have no idea what a "sanke" is. Some sort of exotic meat or vegetable?

Gail
rec.ponder since April 2003

Tri-Colored (red,black,white) Koi. ~ jan :-)



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