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in it and doing just fine......thank you!
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I take it they are in your big pond.
Will you be breeding them or selling them? Will you be feeding them or letting them forage? What size are they? How muddy is the water? Jim Tristan wrote: in it and doing just fine......thank you! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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I'll have you know I do not breed fish like some fools here probably do. However I will breed a good looking woman in a heart bveat and let the fishes do their own screwing. You sound like a pervert to me, breeding fish!. sheeeesh On 28 Dec 2006 18:48:49 -0800, "Phyllis and Jim" wrote: I take it they are in your big pond. Will you be breeding them or selling them? Will you be feeding them or letting them forage? What size are they? How muddy is the water? Jim Tristan wrote: in it and doing just fine......thank you! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message oups.com... I take it they are in your big pond. Will you be breeding them or selling them? Will you be feeding them or letting them forage? What size are they? How muddy is the water? Jim Tristan wrote: in it and doing just fine......thank you! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! you people keep on feeding the trol. |
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The mods are on call and chomping at the bit to be of service to anyone ..so they even reply to posts they have no real interest n....Although some of them have a OCD syndrome and can not help hitting the reply button...they just have to see their name appear on the internet or they simply have a melt down. I hear some of them even use USENET as a reference n their resume' ...along the lines they provide technical assistence to fish and pond folks! On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:56:36 -0600, "JohnS" wrote: "Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message legroups.com... I take it they are in your big pond. Will you be breeding them or selling them? Will you be feeding them or letting them forage? What size are they? How muddy is the water? Jim Tristan wrote: in it and doing just fine......thank you! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! you people keep on feeding the trol. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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I usre am not into breeding koi.....I have enbough to do with the tropicals I breed and sell. What happens with the koi happens with them. I intend to use large mnouth bass as a means of control to keep from getting over run. The bass can eat the koi just as easy as they can catch and eat bream......plus we also BBQ koi on the grill from time to time, and its actually better than bream or bass is, and gives catfish a run for the money as well. All have been between 6 and 10 inches in length, and were raised at the local Koi farm near Opp Alabama on the Pea River. They even threw in a bunch of extra and wound up with approx 700 or so, and some of those were quite larghe (12-18 inch size.) All given a once over as they were acclimated form the farm water in my concrete burial vault tanks I use for rearing up catfish and as QT tanks. ONce they wewre acclimated they were netted and released in the pond. Muddying the water has never been a problem with my other two ponds which also have lots of koi in them, and this is mainly due to their depth. Pond is stil too new to let them forage as there is not enough natural stuff there, but I usually always and intend to feed just the same. I get feed at a local feed mill that mimicks Rangen Koi food and its less than $8 for a 50# bag.......certainly better than not feeding or feeding them catfish food or worse yet Special Kitty cat food as some do. Its actual ornamental pond fish food for gf and koi without the huge mark up. On 28 Dec 2006 18:48:49 -0800, "Phyllis and Jim" wrote: I take it they are in your big pond. Will you be breeding them or selling them? Will you be feeding them or letting them forage? What size are they? How muddy is the water? Jim Tristan wrote: in it and doing just fine......thank you! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Tristan wrote:
I usre am not into breeding koi.....I have enbough to do with the tropicals I breed and sell. What happens with the koi happens with them. I intend to use large mnouth bass as a means of control to keep from getting over run. The bass can eat the koi just as easy as they can catch and eat bream......plus we also BBQ koi on the grill from time to time, and its actually better than bream or bass is, and gives catfish a run for the money as well. A story I once got told by a friend of mine was they had some Japanese guests coming to stay....the Japanese culturally give gifts to those providing hospitality and having heard that his Mother was into her Koi they decided this would be a great gift....they presented her with two Koi wrapped in newspaper - beheaded and gutted and ready for cooking....every culture has its different values.....I will eat fish....but I'm not sure I could eat Clown Loaches yet they do provide a staple diet in some countries..... Selling on fish can be quite an issue - IME I never got the money to compensate even for the cost of raising the tropicals...but then I never did it seriously....and my kicks are from actually seeing the fish breed....but then they are pets and I'm not into a commercial venture.....If you were into breeding Koi then the whole thing would take on a different slant and maybe remove the joy of the hobby of actually keeping the creatures..... All have been between 6 and 10 inches in length, and were raised at the local Koi farm near Opp Alabama on the Pea River. They even threw in a bunch of extra and wound up with approx 700 or so, and some of those were quite larghe (12-18 inch size.) All given a once over as they were acclimated form the farm water in my concrete burial vault tanks I use for rearing up catfish and as QT tanks. ONce they wewre acclimated they were netted and released in the pond. Muddying the water has never been a problem with my other two ponds which also have lots of koi in them, and this is mainly due to their depth. This sort of bears out what I was told when I went up to the trout fishery up in Scotland....it is a 5 acre mud pond but goes down to over 12 foot plus.....the water is clear even though the rainbow trout kick up quite a lot of mess.....and this is all down to scalability - now if I was to dig a mud pond in my garden which would be just a few hundred gallons then cloudiness would be a very big issue..... Pond is stil too new to let them forage as there is not enough natural stuff there, but I usually always and intend to feed just the same. I get feed at a local feed mill that mimicks Rangen Koi food and its less than $8 for a 50# bag.......certainly better than not feeding or feeding them catfish food or worse yet Special Kitty cat food as some do. Its actual ornamental pond fish food for gf and koi without the huge mark up. I read a real interesting article in PFK this month - it's not on their website yet so I'm not sure I can quote but might do so anyway (all go out and buy PFK - you can get it in the US - does this cover me????) The gist is that live foods produce better Koi - and that a diet of live zooplankton produce fster growing and more marketable Koi than any commercial diets or water enrichment programs - the original article was in the Journal of Applied Ichthyology Gill |
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:54:26 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote: Tristan wrote: I usre am not into breeding koi.....I have enbough to do with the tropicals I breed and sell. What happens with the koi happens with them. I intend to use large mnouth bass as a means of control to keep from getting over run. The bass can eat the koi just as easy as they can catch and eat bream......plus we also BBQ koi on the grill from time to time, and its actually better than bream or bass is, and gives catfish a run for the money as well. A story I once got told by a friend of mine was they had some Japanese guests coming to stay....the Japanese culturally give gifts to those providing hospitality and having heard that his Mother was into her Koi they decided this would be a great gift....they presented her with two Koi wrapped in newspaper - beheaded and gutted and ready for cooking....every culture has its different values.....I will eat fish....but I'm not sure I could eat Clown Loaches yet they do provide a staple diet in some countries..... Well I just got rid of a clown fish and if it wa just a tad bit bigger it woul dhave become a fish stick a it was nothing but trouble. I do not have any clown loaches though. I had given some thought into making a few smaller ponds allconnected tothe larger ones that use water piped into and flowed from the larger pond. Idea being that serious koi folks could "rent" space in these ponds and keep their koi in them like say over the winter. Mud ponds actually do a kois color a justice, more than can be done in prisitine waters and adding koi clay, which is abundant in this areas soils naturally......But being responsible for those high dollar fish is not something I woul dlike to take responsibility for. There is a fellow in Virginia thsat houses and keeps high dollar koi for foks that show in a totally fenced in and enclosed natural mud pond, and when they decide to show the fish, he pulls the pond, gets their fish, packs it up and ships it tothe show. After the show is over the fish gets shipped back to his mud pond. Just too much responsibility to do that to be enjoyable, as I am not into showing as much as just seeing mine in a natural way. Just do not knock grilled / baked koi until you try it. Selling on fish can be quite an issue - IME I never got the money to compensate even for the cost of raising the tropicals...but then I never did it seriously....and my kicks are from actually seeing the fish breed....but then they are pets and I'm not into a commercial venture.....If you were into breeding Koi then the whole thing would take on a different slant and maybe remove the joy of the hobby of actually keeping the creatures..... Well I am not a"voyuer" of fish but with the wife and her multitude of water featuyres that range form single 20 gal half barrels to 6 half barrels to 225 gal preforms that she has all around, and knowing they are all to small for koi, not wanting to build a larger liner pond tohave koi since we have large mud ponds with koi, we had considered Goldies, but there is more money in tropicals than goldies in this region, and considering we can keep most all tropicals in a heavilly panated water feature outside here for about 9 months most years its a natural thing to do. I can sell all the tropicals I can breed. Its a lot neater IMHO to see a planted half barrel with yellow cichlids in it or a 225 gal preform full of gourami than the same device qwith half a dozen goldies. Tropicals do fantastic here since water in smaller features get hotter than goldies really like. I rarely ever feed them when outside, they look and grow much better, and it has really eliminated most mosquito problems a well. So for 2 or 3 months I bring in the brood stock and house em inthe barn inthe banks of tanks we have setup. The banks of tanks came from a Petco store that remodeld and they wanted the tanks, lights stand pumps etc etc ect all hauled off and gone. All have been between 6 and 10 inches in length, and were raised at the local Koi farm near Opp Alabama on the Pea River. They even threw in a bunch of extra and wound up with approx 700 or so, and some of those were quite larghe (12-18 inch size.) All given a once over as they were acclimated form the farm water in my concrete burial vault tanks I use for rearing up catfish and as QT tanks. ONce they wewre acclimated they were netted and released in the pond. Muddying the water has never been a problem with my other two ponds which also have lots of koi in them, and this is mainly due to their depth. This sort of bears out what I was told when I went up to the trout fishery up in Scotland....it is a 5 acre mud pond but goes down to over 12 foot plus.....the water is clear even though the rainbow trout kick up quite a lot of mess.....and this is all down to scalability - now if I was to dig a mud pond in my garden which would be just a few hundred gallons then cloudiness would be a very big issue..... Sort of like a PICO or NANO compared toa larger setup. But outside smaller bodies of water are a biug hassle whenit comes to heat / cold and evaporation, and just a little bit of stirring up makes a muddy mess.......so far ewven though those 700+ koi are all looking around for food, and eating submerged grasses etc that were covered over when it filled up muddying of thew water has not been a problem. I get more muddy water from rain in some spokjts that are not grown iun as heavy with ground cover, but even that settles out in a few hours time. Pond is stil too new to let them forage as there is not enough natural stuff there, but I usually always and intend to feed just the same. I get feed at a local feed mill that mimicks Rangen Koi food and its less than $8 for a 50# bag.......certainly better than not feeding or feeding them catfish food or worse yet Special Kitty cat food as some do. Its actual ornamental pond fish food for gf and koi without the huge mark up. I read a real interesting article in PFK this month - it's not on their website yet so I'm not sure I can quote but might do so anyway (all go out and buy PFK - you can get it in the US - does this cover me????) The gist is that live foods produce better Koi - and that a diet of live zooplankton produce fster growing and more marketable Koi than any commercial diets or water enrichment programs - the original article was in the Journal of Applied Ichthyology Well if a person fertilizes a natural pond it gorws all organisms in the food chain. However fertilizer adds to algae blooms but there is stil a large percentage of "live " stuff that is going to occur without fertilizer, so the key is not to exceed the source quanity. Koi all love live foods, and those live things incklude may flys and a multitude of aquatic stuff. I only supplement with man made stuff. Even in my other ponds sometimes it hartd toget koi to come up for food I throw in as they are too busy getting the good natural stuff. So once this pond matures suplemental feeding is all that they wil get for the most part. ONce they start to spawn, I will add some 3/4 to 1 pound sized florida hybrid bass to handle the population control. I may commit to allowing koi to spawn in one of the other ponds at a later date but for now I think the 700 plus is more than enough and I'll just have to see what kind of predation and mortality rates I have....... Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Gill Passman wrote:
Tristan wrote: snip I read a real interesting article in PFK this month - it's not on their website yet so I'm not sure I can quote but might do so anyway (all go out and buy PFK - you can get it in the US - does this cover me????) The gist is that live foods produce better Koi - and that a diet of live zooplankton produce fster growing and more marketable Koi than any commercial diets or water enrichment programs - the original article was in the Journal of Applied Ichthyology Gill Mmm, and where might one get it? :) -- ßôyþëtë |
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BoyPete wrote:
Gill Passman wrote: Mmm, and where might one get it? :) You can PFK in any reasonably big Newsagents in the UK - large branches of WH Smiths certainly sell it....or you could subscribe to it or read it via their website I do both.....even if you chose not to actually buy the magazine the website is really great and eventually publicises all the stuff anyhows....they cover freshwater, marine and ponds.....and also have blogs where you can pass comments....from my experience they are also very reactive in going out to research any readers concerns - check out the whole stuff on Dwarf Gouramis - that one was set in motion by me.....there is an awful lot of stuff on Koi and ponds that would be of great interest to this group....and you do not need to be in the UK to read this stuff.... http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...pages/home.php The web subscription is free and it is a really great resource....suprised you've not come across it before Pete.... Gill |
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Tristan wrote:
Well I just got rid of a clown fish and if it wa just a tad bit bigger it woul dhave become a fish stick a it was nothing but trouble. I do not have any clown loaches though. clown loaches are the king of any freshwater tropical however this is a little off-topic for a pond group....go over to rafm and then post asking why we all love our clown loaches and you will get swamped in replies I'm sure.... I had given some thought into making a few smaller ponds allconnected tothe larger ones that use water piped into and flowed from the larger pond. Idea being that serious koi folks could "rent" space in these ponds and keep their koi in them like say over the winter. Mud ponds actually do a kois color a justice, more than can be done in prisitine waters and adding koi clay, which is abundant in this areas soils naturally......But being responsible for those high dollar fish is not something I woul dlike to take responsibility for. There is a fellow in Virginia thsat houses and keeps high dollar koi for foks that show in a totally fenced in and enclosed natural mud pond, and when they decide to show the fish, he pulls the pond, gets their fish, packs it up and ships it tothe show. After the show is over the fish gets shipped back to his mud pond. Now the one thing that springs to my mind with this is how in the world would you ever know what Koi belong to who?.....or does it become pot luck....or do you need an individual area for each Koi you are looking after....too much like hard work...and then could you get sued if you accidentally gave back a duff Koi to someone who had bred their pride and joy down the lines..... Well I am not a"voyuer" of fish but with the wife and her multitude of water featuyres that range form single 20 gal half barrels to 6 half barrels to 225 gal preforms that she has all around, and knowing they are all to small for koi, not wanting to build a larger liner pond tohave koi since we have large mud ponds with koi, we had considered Goldies, but there is more money in tropicals than goldies in this region, and considering we can keep most all tropicals in a heavilly panated water feature outside here for about 9 months most years its a natural thing to do. I can sell all the tropicals I can breed. Its a lot neater IMHO to see a planted half barrel with yellow cichlids in it or a 225 gal preform full of gourami than the same device qwith half a dozen goldies. Tropicals do fantastic here since water in smaller features get hotter than goldies really like. I rarely ever feed them when outside, they look and grow much better, and it has really eliminated most mosquito problems a well. So for 2 or 3 months I bring in the brood stock and house em inthe barn inthe banks of tanks we have setup. The banks of tanks came from a Petco store that remodeld and they wanted the tanks, lights stand pumps etc etc ect all hauled off and gone. We do not have the climate here to sustain anything other than goldies or Koi out of doors....it would be quite amazing to keep tropicals outdoors - it is great that your wife shares your interest.... Sort of like a PICO or NANO compared toa larger setup. But outside smaller bodies of water are a biug hassle whenit comes to heat / cold and evaporation, and just a little bit of stirring up makes a muddy mess.......so far ewven though those 700+ koi are all looking around for food, and eating submerged grasses etc that were covered over when it filled up muddying of thew water has not been a problem. I get more muddy water from rain in some spokjts that are not grown iun as heavy with ground cover, but even that settles out in a few hours time. some of us have the little choice than to go the small pond route.....IMO it is great that even the most humble of set ups can allow us to get the joy and pleasure from keeping our fish in the best conditions possible.....I'm sure many if not all envy the ability to do it on such a scale as you, Jim and Phyllis and Gary can (sorry if I forgot anyone).... Well if a person fertilizes a natural pond it gorws all organisms in the food chain. However fertilizer adds to algae blooms but there is stil a large percentage of "live " stuff that is going to occur without fertilizer, so the key is not to exceed the source quanity. Koi all love live foods, and those live things incklude may flys and a multitude of aquatic stuff. I only supplement with man made stuff. Even in my other ponds sometimes it hartd toget koi to come up for food I throw in as they are too busy getting the good natural stuff. So once this pond matures suplemental feeding is all that they wil get for the most part. ONce they start to spawn, I will add some 3/4 to 1 pound sized florida hybrid bass to handle the population control. I may commit to allowing koi to spawn in one of the other ponds at a later date but for now I think the 700 plus is more than enough and I'll just have to see what kind of predation and mortality rates I have....... Well I guess it comes down to whether you want to sell them on or just have the pleasure of keeping them....to me it sounds right now it is just for the pleasure of having them for both of you, even if you only admit to the wife right now....good luck and enjoy :-) and keep us updated on the progress, successes and pitfalls..... Gill |
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Tristan, 700 is amazing to me! They certainly won't be crowded. I am sure the bass will help thin them out when they reproduce. Will you have structure for them to hide in? I am interested in your local food at $8 for 50#. That is cheaper than catfish food over here in MS. What is is called? You know, my sons would probably prefer to catch your bass than to eat your koi...tho they would eat either, I suspect. Jim |
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Now the one thing that springs to my mind with this is how in the world
would you ever know what Koi belong to who?..... They use pictures.... and probably hold-harmless contracts. ;-) ~ jan |
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Way I understand it is there is not a lot of folks that can afford to have this service that amounts to a vacation spa for the fish, so they can play in the mud and gain the benefits. To us and most folks they may look like th esame fish or so od in colroatioin they would be hard to keep separated, but each koi is as indiviudal as a persons finger prints are. Plus as previously mentined a ic is propbbaly provided, but the person that does this servie in Virginia does kjnow his fish.......he can see a pic of a fish on th internet and tellyou whose fish it is , how lod it is and where its at and if it was ever shown adna whole host of other info.......its his livelyhood.....I'll think of his name one of these days and post it, but he knows his koi. I would not imagine there is many fish in a pond either, and probbaly all same sexes, as no one would want a badly bruised female show up at a major show. Same for capitolizing off a spawn....would not be proper to use say a GC koi to breed wihtout compensation to owner.....afterall thats part of the game of koi keeping....and why certain fish bring big $$$$ I guess integrity plays a big part in it as well.......and this fellow is highly regarded and trusted in the koi worold. For some reason Waddington or Ray Abel rings a familiar sound. .. in being the person that runs the Koi vacation spa! I know he has fish from fokls as far away as California, and this makes it possible for a person in California to show in competition in say Florida or New York etc........ On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:27:38 GMT, ~ janj wrote: Now the one thing that springs to my mind with this is how in the world would you ever know what Koi belong to who?..... They use pictures.... and probably hold-harmless contracts. ;-) ~ jan ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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~ janj wrote:
They use pictures.... and probably hold-harmless contracts. ;-) ~ jan OK they might hold pictures but then think of the whole logistics of catching an individual fish without draining the pond in the first place and stressing all of the others....I must say I don't blame Tristan not to want to consider it....might be different if you are raising them in a small pond or kiddy pool but then so would the breeder being doing just that so there is no advantage to them to move them.....the fishery in Scotland I go on about a bit....has two small grow out ponds (about 1/2 acre a piece) and from talking to the owner just moving the fish indiscriminately is quite a task let alone if he was getting selective in what he was attempting to catch....indeed the whole ecosystem of the pond/lake environment would collapse if he needed to drain to be selective....now I would guess if money is the big motivator and you are talking Kois worth thousands then you might do it....but IMO it would also be putting undue stress on the other Kois worth thousands just to get one or two out.....so to do it you would need a mud pond of quite a size dedicated to each customer......and then you are talking very big bucks.... Gill |
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On 21 Jan 2007 15:14:40 -0800, "Phyllis and Jim"
wrote: Tristan, 700 is amazing to me! They certainly won't be crowded. I am sure the bass will help thin them out when they reproduce. Will you have structure for them to hide in? IN and around th epier piles, as well as the two mock (osage orange) trees I have as bottom structure. Eventually there wil be lilys and iris planted as one section (were yu can see the light white colored substrate on north side, is considerably much shallower. Thay is so I can plant certain non invasive aquatic plants like iris and lilys and PIckerel Reed and Thalium or alligator rush. I am interested in your local food at $8 for 50#. That is cheaper than catfish food over here in MS. What is is called? Its made at the local feed mill down the road from me all to spec as laid out by Auburn University, so it meets requirements of ornamental fish. Koi ponds as well as 4 ponds in the city of Montgomery as well as the Zoo have substantial koi ponds, so this feed mill went with making this feed as they have a market for it, and its cheaper than buying from large sources like Purina or Nutrina and haivng it shipped in. The feed mill has all the equipment and ingredieints, and the same equipment used to make layer pellets for chickens or feed pellets for cows is used to make pelleted feed for fish be it catfish or the ornamental feed...its only a matter of switching over ingredieints for what ever feed they are gonna run. Sometimes they run out other times I can get it while its still warm in the bag.......Earlier it was higher due to fuel prices as they use gas to fuel the mill as well as for turcks etc to transport the ingredients. This past summer the feed was 10 and 12 bucks a bag, now its down to 8 bucks, but I ususpect that is because its better to sell it off at a lower price than have it go stale or have ingredieints go stale until weather changes out and folks start to feed again a in summer, but even at $10-12 a 50# bag its still cheaper than even a 3# bag of food as sold in garden centers. You know, my sons would probably prefer to catch your bass than to eat your koi...tho they would eat either, I suspect. I intend to hold off as long as possible with adding any bass, but I can get bass from the hatchery here (bout 20 miles away) in just about any size I want to pay for. They wil sell a couple of nice 3 to 5 pounders or a truck load of fingerlings or a dozen 3/4-1 pounders. I also have a freind that bass fishes every chance he gets and I have to just about fight with him as he always wants to dump his catch in one of my ponds. I figure if I let the koi alone until I start to notice young fingerlings, I can then add the bass in the 3/4 pound size or so, and they should keep the numbers in reason. None of the larger koi owuld be harmed by them and there will more than l ikely always be a couple of fingerlings that get to grow up past the point of becoming food. They wil make up for any mortaility from predators etc. Anyway 700 fish is a lot of koi to have to go through so other than a few bass probably next year or so, I should be in decent shape. I use a cast net to catch any fish I go for as fishing is not one of my desireable things to do unless its sal****er related. Jim ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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They use pictures.... and probably hold-harmless contracts. ;-) ~ jan
Or, better. Microchipping is what they're doing now days. OK they might hold pictures but then think of the whole logistics of catching an individual fish without draining the pond Gill They seine the pond, and this is a yearly process for harvest. Koi, the bigger they get the calmer and easier they are to handle. Apparently they get use to it. If you ever have a chance to take in a koi show... it becomes quite obvious which fish have been shown often. They're the ones cruising around the holding tanks like nothing new is happening. The novices are hiding as best they can, usually under the panning bowls. I was stressed out the first time I had to catch one of my biggest koi. I had to sell as she had just gotten too big for my modest ponds. I was so surprised how easily she went in the net (koi sock), no thrashing, just a gentle giant. She went to a pond 4 times bigger than what she was in, and within 3-4 months took my breath away at how much she had grown. I'd had her 11 years. Later that year I had to start catching the smaller 4-6 inch koi, what pitas they were to catch. They could jump the entire pond length, often hitting me in the process. Thankfully no hits to the face, koi have been known to cause a few bloody noses. ~ jan |
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Actually if yu make the pond so it can be netted with a seine net its easy to retreive a fish in short order ifyu habve a helping hand togive a hand. POnds made to be seine netted however are usually shallower and have uniform bottoms which are suuited to usuing a net, and totally void of any obstructions of structures. No need to drain em. Around thes eparts the routinely seine out a cat fish pond or tilapia pond in a few hours time and have new fish added in all the same day.....I bet the ponds the guy has are not all that large......and may be in the area of perhaps a half acre or so for a given amount of fish. After all they are under roof, or covered in netting for bird predation control, and the main ingredieint is natural mud and waters. Face it, how many ponders with a 5000 gal or so koi poind they spent lots of money on in their yard be it formal or informal in design, is gonna be satisfied with muddy water......NONE it goes aginast their grain, but odds are even though they have their GC koi farmed out to the "fish spa" they stil have decent koi in their backyard ponds.... One hting that is really debateable is koi do not belolng ina water gsarden........so a dedicated koi keeper is not gonna have plants in his/her pond....they may have another dedicated pond for water gardening, but usually water gardens and koi keeping are two separate functions to a dedicated koi keeper......Whats anothe rpond if you can afford: a $50,000.00 koi, air fare to ship it to various events, money to build a suuitbale pond at yur house and then pay to have it in a koi spa and time to go to these shows and show yur fish.....mucho money for sure, so a separate pond to have water plants in is small change for most of those foks. Me....fish and plants are like pretzels and beer..they go good togehter. On , 21 Jan 2007 23:55:07 +0000, Gill Passman wrote: ~ janj wrote: They use pictures.... and probably hold-harmless contracts. ;-) ~ jan OK they might hold pictures but then think of the whole logistics of catching an individual fish without draining the pond in the first place and stressing all of the others....I must say I don't blame Tristan not to want to consider it....might be different if you are raising them in a small pond or kiddy pool but then so would the breeder being doing just that so there is no advantage to them to move them.....the fishery in Scotland I go on about a bit....has two small grow out ponds (about 1/2 acre a piece) and from talking to the owner just moving the fish indiscriminately is quite a task let alone if he was getting selective in what he was attempting to catch....indeed the whole ecosystem of the pond/lake environment would collapse if he needed to drain to be selective....now I would guess if money is the big motivator and you are talking Kois worth thousands then you might do it....but IMO it would also be putting undue stress on the other Kois worth thousands just to get one or two out.....so to do it you would need a mud pond of quite a size dedicated to each customer......and then you are talking very big bucks.... Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Gill Passman wrote:
BoyPete wrote: Gill Passman wrote: Mmm, and where might one get it? :) You can PFK in any reasonably big Newsagents in the UK - snip Ooops, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was refering to zooplankton :) -- ßôyþëtë |
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BoyPete wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was refering to zooplankton :) Try doing a google for it (UK only) I quickly looked and found one place that supplies it:- http://www.reefworks.co.uk/default.a...7&subpage=2317 Gill |
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