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zookeeper 11-06-2003 02:56 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon


John Rutz 11-06-2003 03:56 AM

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zookeeper wrote:
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon



--
I m feeding Mazuri Koi pellets by Purina
mainly because of the price roughly $20 for 20 lbs




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com


Bonnie Espenshade 11-06-2003 12:20 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
zookeeper wrote:
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

ter)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon


I feed my fish KoiStuff Optimum - whole wheat, hydrolzed
(animal) protein meal, anchovy fish, soy meal. 38% protein,
2.55% fiber, 6% fat, vitamins include: A, D, E, K1, C, B1,
B2, B6, and B12

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/



Nedra 11-06-2003 03:56 PM

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My Koi (and goldfish) get Pond RX ... from KoiVet.

Here are the ingredients for the Small Pellets:

Fish Meal
Wheat Flour
Soy Bean Meal
Fish Oil
Blood Meal
Feather Meal
Soy Lecithen
Etc.

Protein 40%
Lipid 14%
Fiber 5%
Ash 8%

The fish Love it!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon





Steve J. Noll 11-06-2003 07:20 PM

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Dainichi, color intensifier.

White fish meal
Wheat germ
Wheat flour
Shrimp meal
Spirulina

43% minimum crude protein

I need to find a new feed as this stuff's somewhat expensive and
the guys are going thru a $18, 500gm bag every 3 weeks now!

One thing I like about it is that besides the usual vitamins and
minerals it contains montmorillonite clay (i.e.: "Koi clay"). I'd
rather "apply" the koi clay this way so it'll do the most good for the
fish than just dump it in the pond. Does any other Koi food have
this?

2500 gallons, 8 Butterfly pigs.

Steve J. Noll | Ventura California (zone 10)
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

Paul in Redland 12-06-2003 02:08 AM

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Ultra Balance

http://www.koifood.com/

About $1.50 a lb depending on the size.

Paul

"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon




[email protected] 12-06-2003 02:32 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag. these are larger pellets.
what I have found in the inside tanks is the higher the quality and less "fillers"
the less I need to feed and the filter stays cleaner much longer.
Ingrid

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?



Tom La Bron 12-06-2003 04:44 AM

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Zookeeper,

Before they came out with Sho-Gold (Sho-Gold is for Goldfish) I used
Sho-KOI, which is an extremely good food. Fish seem to relish it and it is
a good growth food also when feed in proper portions.

Tom L.L.
-------------------------
"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon




zookeeper 12-06-2003 06:30 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
wrote:
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.

1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


I looked at Ogata, but the list of ingredients I saw had wheat germ as
the second ingredient and soy bean meal as the fourth ingredient (White
fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal,
yeast, garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, etc). I had
previously read that it's best to use feed where fish / shrimp / protein
comprise the first 3-4 ingredients. See, this is exactly the kind of
thing that confuses me. :-/
--
zookeeper


Sean Dinh 12-06-2003 08:56 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
Wardley 10.

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon



Jerrispond 12-06-2003 05:23 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
I m feeding Mazuri Koi pellets by Purina
mainly because of the price roughly $20 for 20 lbs


I have been feeding that for years, and have very large healthy koi
Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

Jerrispond 12-06-2003 05:32 PM

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5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...

That costs more than the food I feed my family.....No can do!!! Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

[email protected] 12-06-2003 05:56 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
Not sure which Ogata she is selling. She said the pellets were large. Compare it to
Mizuri.
there are at least 3 different Ogata foods
Ogata Performance
???
Ogata Special Regular
White fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal, yeast,
garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, stabilized vitamin C, minerals,
powdered milk, etc...
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Min. 36%
Crude Fat Min. 3%
Crude Fiber Max. 5%
Ash Max. 12%
Moisture Max. 9%
Ingredients
Ogata Regular
White fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal, yeast,
garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, stabilized vitamin C, minerals,
powdered milk, etc...
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Min. 38%
Crude Fat Min. 3%
Crude Fiber Max. 6%
Ash Max. 12%
Moisture Max. 9%
-----------------------------------
Here is the Mizuri
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude protein not less than 36.0%
Crude fat not less than 3.0%
Crude fiber not more than 6.0%
Phosphorus not less than 0.90%
Ash not more than 9.0%
Vitamin E not less than 110 IU/kg
Vitamin C not less than 2000 ppm
Ingredients
Dehulled soybean meal, ground corn, fish meal, corn gluten meal, wheat middlings,
wheat germ, calcium carbonate, dehydrated alfalfa meal, salt,
L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), brewers dried yeast, spirulina
algae meal, betaine, dicalcium phosphate, biotin, tagetes extract, choline chloride,
vitamin A acetate, canthaxanthin, d-alpha tocopheryl acetate (source of natural
vitamin E), cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine
hydrochloride, cyanocobalamin (source of vitamin B12), menadione dimethylpyrimidinol
bisulfite (source of vitamin K), ethoxyquin (a preservative), thiamin mononitrate,
nicotinic acid, folic acid, riboflavin, DL-methionine, manganous oxide, zinc oxide,
ferrous carbonate, copper sulfate, zinc sulfate, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate,
sodium selenite.

zookeeper wrote:

wrote:
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


I looked at Ogata, but the list of ingredients I saw had wheat germ as
the second ingredient and soy bean meal as the fourth ingredient (White
fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal,
yeast, garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, etc). I had
previously read that it's best to use feed where fish / shrimp / protein
comprise the first 3-4 ingredients. See, this is exactly the kind of
thing that confuses me. :-/



MLF 12-06-2003 09:56 PM

Koi Food Survey
 

"Jerrispond" wrote:
I m feeding Mazuri Koi pellets by Purina
mainly because of the price roughly $20 for 20 lbs


I have been feeding that for years, and have very large healthy koi



Jerri:

Where do you get Mazuri Koi pellets for that price? Better yet, where can I?


Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
================================================== ===========



John Rutz 12-06-2003 10:09 PM

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MLF wrote:
"Jerrispond" wrote:

I m feeding Mazuri Koi pellets by Purina
mainly because of the price roughly $20 for 20 lbs


I have been feeding that for years, and have very large healthy koi




Jerri:

Where do you get Mazuri Koi pellets for that price? Better yet, where can I?


Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
================================================== ===========




--
check with farm stores or any feed dealer who handles purina and see if
the y will order you a bag
if I remember right their website is
www.mazuri.com




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com


bobkiely 13-06-2003 01:32 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
I use a product called "Satori" $5-7/lb. medium pellets (for fish over 4" in
length)
Fish meal, ground wheat, shrimp meal, dehulled soybean meal, dehydrated
alfalfa meal,wheat germ meal......
38% protein
They have a "Color Enhancing formula and a "Growth formula. I use both and
give them a little of each.
Bob Kiely
wrote in message
...
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag. these are larger pellets.
what I have found in the inside tanks is the higher the quality and less

"fillers"
the less I need to feed and the filter stays cleaner much longer.
Ingrid

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?





Tom La Bron 13-06-2003 04:44 AM

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zookeeper,

It appears that Ingrid is not practicing what she has been preaching all
these years, but that is par for the her course.

Most any food that you buy for your fish is going to be good. A lot of the
"Japanese Brands" are expensive, but that is due to importation and shipping
costs.

There is nothing wrong with the Purina foods and as has already been stated
they have been used by members of this list and the fish are doing great.
Cotton pick there have been people on this list that have fed their fish Cat
Food and swear by it, so the choice is up to you. Virtually any food that
you purchase for KOI will probably be good and nutritious for your fish. It
all depends on how much or how little money you want to spend to do this
portion of your KOI care. As Jerrispond states in the message following
yours the amount mentioned is more than is spent on their family, but that
is that person.

You can always by small portions of different foods and try them out on your
fish anyway. There may be some that the fish will not eat and others that
they eat like vultures. So buy a few a try them out before you make a
commitment to a large quantity to save money buying in bulk.

HTH

Tom L.L.
-------------------------

"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.

1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


I looked at Ogata, but the list of ingredients I saw had wheat germ as
the second ingredient and soy bean meal as the fourth ingredient (White
fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal,
yeast, garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, etc). I had
previously read that it's best to use feed where fish / shrimp / protein
comprise the first 3-4 ingredients. See, this is exactly the kind of
thing that confuses me. :-/
--
zookeeper




~ Windsong ~ 13-06-2003 04:56 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
One fine day: zookeeper picked up the keyboard and pecked out:
:: Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
:: blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs,
:: aka koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can
:: just indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
:: ingredients and/or protein percentage.
======================
I just posted above about Catfish food from Tractor Supply at $10.99 for a
50 lb bag. Whatever is left over in the fall I feed to the dogs, and get a
fresh bag in the spring. My Koi and Goldfish are thriving. :-) No need
to spend mega-bucks to feed them.

--
Carol.......
"War does not determine who is right,
war determines who is left."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~{@




~ Windsong ~ 13-06-2003 05:08 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
One fine day: Tom La Bron picked up the keyboard and pecked out:
:: Zookeeper,
::
:: Before they came out with Sho-Gold (Sho-Gold is for Goldfish) I used
:: Sho-KOI, which is an extremely good food. Fish seem to relish it
:: and it is a good growth food also when feed in proper portions.
=======================
These foods get expensive for people with a lot of large koi and goldfish to
feed Tom. My fish are now going through almost 2 lbs a week.

--
Carol.......
"War does not determine who is right,
war determines who is left."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~{@




Go Fig 13-06-2003 05:20 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
In article ,
"Tom La Bron" wrote:

zookeeper,

It appears that Ingrid is not practicing what she has been preaching all
these years, but that is par for the her course.

Most any food that you buy for your fish is going to be good. A lot of the
"Japanese Brands" are expensive, but that is due to importation and shipping
costs.

There is nothing wrong with the Purina foods





The Vet I work with prefers them because in 'lean' times he doesn't
think they will skimp on ingredients.

jay
Thu, Jun 12, 2003



and as has already been stated
they have been used by members of this list and the fish are doing great.
Cotton pick there have been people on this list that have fed their fish Cat
Food and swear by it, so the choice is up to you. Virtually any food that
you purchase for KOI will probably be good and nutritious for your fish. It
all depends on how much or how little money you want to spend to do this
portion of your KOI care. As Jerrispond states in the message following
yours the amount mentioned is more than is spent on their family, but that
is that person.

You can always by small portions of different foods and try them out on your
fish anyway. There may be some that the fish will not eat and others that
they eat like vultures. So buy a few a try them out before you make a
commitment to a large quantity to save money buying in bulk.

HTH

Tom L.L.
-------------------------

"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.

1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


I looked at Ogata, but the list of ingredients I saw had wheat germ as
the second ingredient and soy bean meal as the fourth ingredient (White
fish meal, wheat germ meal, krill meal, Soya bean mill, Alfalfa meal,
yeast, garlic, ox bile powder, chitin (Chitosan), vitamins, etc). I had
previously read that it's best to use feed where fish / shrimp / protein
comprise the first 3-4 ingredients. See, this is exactly the kind of
thing that confuses me. :-/
--
zookeeper




--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

Jerrispond 13-06-2003 05:32 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
I m feeding Mazuri Koi pellets by Purina
mainly because of the price roughly $20 for 20 lbsWhere do you get Mazuri

Koi pellets for that price? Better yet, where can I?

Feed stores carry it. If they don't have it they can get it. Mazuri also
has a website, but I don't remember the address. Unless it is an emergency I
believe dog food for dogs, koi food for koi Some people on this ng don't
like mazuri because of the corn in it....but that is an ongoing debate like
gravel in the bottom of a pond :o) Jerri


http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

~ jan JJsPond.us 13-06-2003 06:08 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
I'm aSho-gold & Sho-koi person, though I do add some variety. With only 14
koi and probably the need to reduce the herd more, I can afford this stuff
via plant sales. ~ jan


On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:38:26 -0500, "Tom La Bron"
wrote:

Zookeeper,

Before they came out with Sho-Gold (Sho-Gold is for Goldfish) I used
Sho-KOI, which is an extremely good food. Fish seem to relish it and it is
a good growth food also when feed in proper portions.

Tom L.L.
-------------------------
"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?
--
Kathy B, zookeeper
3500gal pond, 13 pond pigs
Oregon




See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

K30a 13-06-2003 06:20 PM

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I buy the stuff on the shelf at petsmart. I think it is sho-koi.
But I also add the morning's collection of earwigs and snails and worms. And
about four to six bunches of watercress a week (at $2 a bunch!).


k30a

Tom La Bron 14-06-2003 03:56 AM

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Carol,

I know, that is why I have been buying it from the guy who makes for the
last 4 years. I certainly don't buy it by the pound, which usually runs
about $14 a pound including postage and handling; I purchase it in bulk and
it works out to about $4 a pound including postage and handling, although
since I am buying Sho-Gold, it does come in a Sho-Koi bag because I am the
only one that buys Sho-Gold that way. Then again I do feed other feeds.
Personally, I happen to think it is one of the best foods around and I have
had very good luck with it.

Tom L.L.

"~ Windsong ~" wrote in message
...
One fine day: Tom La Bron picked up the keyboard and pecked out:
:: Zookeeper,
::
:: Before they came out with Sho-Gold (Sho-Gold is for Goldfish) I used
:: Sho-KOI, which is an extremely good food. Fish seem to relish it
:: and it is a good growth food also when feed in proper portions.
=======================
These foods get expensive for people with a lot of large koi and goldfish

to
feed Tom. My fish are now going through almost 2 lbs a week.

--
Carol.......
"War does not determine who is right,
war determines who is left."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~{@






Tom La Bron 14-06-2003 03:56 AM

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Carol,

Most of the Catfish feeds are very good, but the only reason I don't feed it
is that it is a floating food and I like to feed my fish only sinking foods.

Tom L.L.
"~ Windsong ~" wrote in message
.. .
One fine day: zookeeper picked up the keyboard and pecked out:
:: Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
:: blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs,
:: aka koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can
:: just indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
:: ingredients and/or protein percentage.
======================
I just posted above about Catfish food from Tractor Supply at $10.99 for a
50 lb bag. Whatever is left over in the fall I feed to the dogs, and get

a
fresh bag in the spring. My Koi and Goldfish are thriving. :-) No need
to spend mega-bucks to feed them.

--
Carol.......
"War does not determine who is right,
war determines who is left."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~{@






[email protected] 15-06-2003 04:56 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
I only use around 5 lbs for the year up here. I saw how little Jo Ann and Steve were
feeding their monsters only once a day and realized that I had probably been
overfeeding mine. Since they dont have much of a stomach it is all in and out in 5-6
hours, so if I feed them too much it is just fouling the water.
The problem with non-fish food is the balance of individual amino acids and fats are
not optimal for fish. The problem with cheaper food is all those carbohydrates are
not digested and foul the water and filter. I have something like 25 koi I guess
they are worth about a buck a piece to feed for the year.
The other thing I like about getting better quality from someone buys it fresh and
keeps it frozen before shipping. I remember my first batch of koi, got a 22 lb back
of trout food sitting in a feed store and it was rancid. I didnt know any better and
fed that to them anyway. Food been sitting around in hot warehouses or whatever isnt
going to have the necessary vitamins anymore. Ingrid

(Jerrispond) wrote:

5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


That costs more than the food I feed my family.....No can do!!! Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


~ jan JJsPond.us 16-06-2003 03:08 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
It can be amazing how much edible stuff falls or flies into a pond. Noticed
this with the lily pond, with just tadpoles, how many drown bug bodies I
find on the surface that I'd never see in the koi ponds because they are
eaten. ~ jan


On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:57:07 GMT, wrote:


I only use around 5 lbs for the year up here. I saw how little Jo Ann and Steve were
feeding their monsters only once a day and realized that I had probably been
overfeeding mine. Since they dont have much of a stomach it is all in and out in 5-6
hours, so if I feed them too much it is just fouling the water.
The problem with non-fish food is the balance of individual amino acids and fats are
not optimal for fish. The problem with cheaper food is all those carbohydrates are
not digested and foul the water and filter. I have something like 25 koi I guess
they are worth about a buck a piece to feed for the year.
The other thing I like about getting better quality from someone buys it fresh and
keeps it frozen before shipping. I remember my first batch of koi, got a 22 lb back
of trout food sitting in a feed store and it was rancid. I didnt know any better and
fed that to them anyway. Food been sitting around in hot warehouses or whatever isnt
going to have the necessary vitamins anymore. Ingrid

(Jerrispond) wrote:

5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag ...


That costs more than the food I feed my family.....No can do!!! Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


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~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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[email protected] 16-06-2003 05:08 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
I been thinking seriously about one of those bug whackers that aquatic ecosystem
has... hang it over the pond and it is an automatic koi feeder.. LOL. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
It can be amazing how much edible stuff falls or flies into a pond. Noticed
this with the lily pond, with just tadpoles, how many drown bug bodies I
find on the surface that I'd never see in the koi ponds because they are
eaten. ~ jan


zookeeper 16-06-2003 08:00 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
It can be amazing how much edible stuff falls or flies into a pond. Noticed
this with the lily pond, with just tadpoles, how many drown bug bodies I
find on the surface that I'd never see in the koi ponds because they are
eaten. ~ jan


While waiting to read through and "digest" all of the answers to my
original question, I was holding off on buying koi food. Luckily (for
the koi that is), our swimming pool liner has several holes so I have
not yet cleaned the pool for the teens. It is teeming with mosquito
larvae (even with using the Dunks!!), dragonfly and diving beetle
larvae, and lots of midge worms. I've been scooping those out for
several days and feeding them to the koi. I fed about 1/2 to 1 cup at a
time, and within an hour or so, there are no visible signs left of the
larvae in the koi pond -- hungry critters! And lots of fun watching the
koi zig-zagging across the pond after the bugs.

If I can find out why my mosquito dunks are not working, I might keep a
small pool of green water just to supplement the regular diet I feed the
koi.

My order of Miracle Koi Food has arrived, the koi love it; will let
everyone know how it works out.
--
zookeeper


K30a 16-06-2003 08:00 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
zookeeper wrote
If I can find out why my mosquito dunks are not working,

I've never checked but is there an expiration date on the container. Maybe they
are past the date?


k30a

zookeeper 16-06-2003 08:01 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
K30a wrote:
zookeeper wrote
If I can find out why my mosquito dunks are not working,

I've never checked but is there an expiration date on the container. Maybe they
are past the date?


That's what I was wondering, but couldn't find anything about an
expiration date. Everything I had read seemed to suggest that the Bt is
dormant until added to water (apparently you can place dry dunks or dunk
bits in dry areas that might flood later).

I mistakenly thought mosquito dunks caused the larvae to die on contact,
and was curious about why I was seeing so many live larvae in the "koi
food" breeding pool. So I checked a few sources on line last night and
discovered that the larvae don't die immediately, but that the Bt in the
dunks causes them to die slowly but before they become adult mosquitos.
So looks like I'm not contributing to the possibility of West Nile virus
spreading rampantly through Oregon. :-)
--
Kathy B, zookeeper


~ jan JJsPond.us 16-06-2003 11:20 PM

Koi Food Survey
 
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:57:42 GMT, wrote:

I been thinking seriously about one of those bug whackers that aquatic ecosystem
has... hang it over the pond and it is an automatic koi feeder.. LOL. Ingrid


Supposedly these knock out more beneficials than bad bugs, but I doubt the
koi care... the question is, do they like their bugs well done? ;o) ~ jan

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Phyllis and Jim Hurley 17-07-2003 12:57 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
We use catfish food.

They are apparently doing fine after 5 years. Eating their full at $11 per
51 lb bag.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
"bobkiely" wrote in message
news:XP8Ga.66216$%42.18343@fed1read06...
I use a product called "Satori" $5-7/lb. medium pellets (for fish over 4"

in
length)
Fish meal, ground wheat, shrimp meal, dehulled soybean meal, dehydrated
alfalfa meal,wheat germ meal......
38% protein
They have a "Color Enhancing formula and a "Growth formula. I use both and
give them a little of each.
Bob Kiely
wrote in message
...
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag. these are larger pellets.
what I have found in the inside tanks is the higher the quality and less

"fillers"
the less I need to feed and the filter stays cleaner much longer.
Ingrid

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?








Phyllis and Jim Hurley 17-07-2003 01:12 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
We use catfish food.

They are apparently doing fine after 5 years. Eating their full at $11 per
51 lb bag.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
"bobkiely" wrote in message
news:XP8Ga.66216$%42.18343@fed1read06...
I use a product called "Satori" $5-7/lb. medium pellets (for fish over 4"

in
length)
Fish meal, ground wheat, shrimp meal, dehulled soybean meal, dehydrated
alfalfa meal,wheat germ meal......
38% protein
They have a "Color Enhancing formula and a "Growth formula. I use both and
give them a little of each.
Bob Kiely
wrote in message
...
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag. these are larger pellets.
what I have found in the inside tanks is the higher the quality and less

"fillers"
the less I need to feed and the filter stays cleaner much longer.
Ingrid

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?








Phyllis and Jim Hurley 17-07-2003 01:31 AM

Koi Food Survey
 
We use catfish food.

They are apparently doing fine after 5 years. Eating their full at $11 per
51 lb bag.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
"bobkiely" wrote in message
news:XP8Ga.66216$%42.18343@fed1read06...
I use a product called "Satori" $5-7/lb. medium pellets (for fish over 4"

in
length)
Fish meal, ground wheat, shrimp meal, dehulled soybean meal, dehydrated
alfalfa meal,wheat germ meal......
38% protein
They have a "Color Enhancing formula and a "Growth formula. I use both and
give them a little of each.
Bob Kiely
wrote in message
...
I get Ogata from Jo Ann.
1-251-649-4790
white fish meal, krill, spirulina, wheat germ soy bean alfalfa, yeast

garlic vitamins
38% protein
5.50 per lb, 110 bucks for 33 pound bag. these are larger pellets.
what I have found in the inside tanks is the higher the quality and less

"fillers"
the less I need to feed and the filter stays cleaner much longer.
Ingrid

zookeeper wrote:

Okay, I've googled rec.ponds and related web sites until my eyes are
blurry!!! Trying to find a concensus on what to feed our pond pigs, aka
koi. So I thought I'd try a newsgroup survey. If everyone can just
indicate the brand of food they feed, and maybe the first 3 or 4
ingredients and/or protein percentage.

I've fed mostly Wardley's koi food for six years, but the recipe seems
to have changed, and the price has skyrocketed. I'm now looking at
Miracle Koi Food because the first four ingredients are fish based. Any
one else using Miracle Koi Food (by Clearwater)?









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