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Sometimes, in spite of a parent's best efforts, a child will go bad.
You have my sympathy. Perhaps your son will see thefolly of his beliefs. PlainBill On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:14:34 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ok, I'm fessing,, I have NEVER read any of the books. my grandson, though, has watched the DVD of the 1st Harry potter, here, a gazillion times,, ( I never got around to it!!) one of these days,,,,,,,I'll read the books. Muffin who's 30something son thinks Harry Potter is B*A*D for kids ( something about sorcery & against the bible....... **major sigh**) "K30a" wrote in message ... Okay, time to fess up. How many rec.ponders are going to be reading the Harry Potter fifth book today? (me!) My 17-yr-old daughter is going to crawl into the mailbox and wait for the postman to arrive. k30a |
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Eldest two children finished the book, followed by mom (who still had to produce meals and clean laundry, drag kids to doctors' visits, football training, dept. of motor vehicles...) I'm taking my copy to my SIL and when she finishes it we will sit down for a good long book discussion. k30a |
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PlainBill, Just because a kid turns out "different" does NOT
mean he is bad. I have a son who is a perfect throw-back to his maternal great-grandparent's ways of thinking. He is now 50 years old - has a beautiful family... and a gorgeous granddaughter baby. Dave is my rock. You are throwing in the towel on kids who are different - not Bad!!!! Nedra -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "PlainBill" wrote in message ... Sometimes, in spite of a parent's best efforts, a child will go bad. You have my sympathy. Perhaps your son will see thefolly of his beliefs. PlainBill On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:14:34 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ok, I'm fessing,, I have NEVER read any of the books. my grandson, though, has watched the DVD of the 1st Harry potter, here, a gazillion times,, ( I never got around to it!!) one of these days,,,,,,,I'll read the books. Muffin who's 30something son thinks Harry Potter is B*A*D for kids ( something about sorcery & against the bible....... **major sigh**) "K30a" wrote in message ... Okay, time to fess up. How many rec.ponders are going to be reading the Harry Potter fifth book today? (me!) My 17-yr-old daughter is going to crawl into the mailbox and wait for the postman to arrive. k30a |
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MY son, after entering the air Force ( he turns lieutenant this week) became very religious & belief in the Bible is paramount to him. My father-in-law is a Methodist minister & he grew up around church,but in his teens, was one of those indifferent kids. I am pleased he has such *faith* , but its too much for me,, at one point he said his son could NOT go out for trick-or-treat (arrghhh) luckily he has changed his opinion back on that point. But he has very high thoughts about sorcery( its against the bible).. go fig........ he does go see the 'lord of the rings' movies,, guess that is diff....... other than that,,,,,,,,, he is a wonderful son & father!! yup, different,, NOT bad... Muffin off to see his graduation....... "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... PlainBill, Just because a kid turns out "different" does NOT mean he is bad. I have a son who is a perfect throw-back to his maternal great-grandparent's ways of thinking. He is now 50 years old - has a beautiful family... and a gorgeous granddaughter baby. Dave is my rock. You are throwing in the towel on kids who are different - not Bad!!!! Nedra -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "PlainBill" wrote in message ... Sometimes, in spite of a parent's best efforts, a child will go bad. You have my sympathy. Perhaps your son will see thefolly of his beliefs. PlainBill On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:14:34 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ok, I'm fessing,, I have NEVER read any of the books. my grandson, though, has watched the DVD of the 1st Harry potter, here, a gazillion times,, ( I never got around to it!!) one of these days,,,,,,,I'll read the books. Muffin who's 30something son thinks Harry Potter is B*A*D for kids ( something about sorcery & against the bible....... **major sigh**) "K30a" wrote in message ... Okay, time to fess up. How many rec.ponders are going to be reading the Harry Potter fifth book today? (me!) My 17-yr-old daughter is going to crawl into the mailbox and wait for the postman to arrive. k30a |
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Hi Muffin, Gee I'm glad you posted. Dave and his wife were so adamant about Halloween too. I couldn't say anything ... just because they were raising the children .. I'd already had my chance. I too am from a Methodist background. My Great Grandfather was a Circuit Rider ... then he settled down to preach in only two churches. Son Dave is just like him. Has "Uncle Dave's" Bible and reads from it Alot! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... : ) MY son, after entering the air Force ( he turns lieutenant this week) became very religious & belief in the Bible is paramount to him. My father-in-law is a Methodist minister & he grew up around church,but in his teens, was one of those indifferent kids. I am pleased he has such *faith* , but its too much for me,, at one point he said his son could NOT go out for trick-or-treat (arrghhh) luckily he has changed his opinion back on that point. But he has very high thoughts about sorcery( its against the bible).. go fig........ he does go see the 'lord of the rings' movies,, guess that is diff....... other than that,,,,,,,,, he is a wonderful son & father!! yup, different,, NOT bad... Muffin off to see his graduation....... "Nedra" wrote in message thlink.net... PlainBill, Just because a kid turns out "different" does NOT mean he is bad. I have a son who is a perfect throw-back to his maternal great-grandparent's ways of thinking. He is now 50 years old - has a beautiful family... and a gorgeous granddaughter baby. Dave is my rock. You are throwing in the towel on kids who are different - not Bad!!!! Nedra -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "PlainBill" wrote in message ... Sometimes, in spite of a parent's best efforts, a child will go bad. You have my sympathy. Perhaps your son will see thefolly of his beliefs. PlainBill On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:14:34 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote: ok, I'm fessing,, I have NEVER read any of the books. my grandson, though, has watched the DVD of the 1st Harry potter, here, a gazillion times,, ( I never got around to it!!) one of these days,,,,,,,I'll read the books. Muffin who's 30something son thinks Harry Potter is B*A*D for kids ( something about sorcery & against the bible....... **major sigh**) "K30a" wrote in message ... Okay, time to fess up. How many rec.ponders are going to be reading the Harry Potter fifth book today? (me!) My 17-yr-old daughter is going to crawl into the mailbox and wait for the postman to arrive. k30a |
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I can't understand the people who claim Harry Potter will turn our
children into Satan followers and black magic users and all that other crap they insist on. What the hell are they scared of LMAO! Here's my take on what Harry Potter is about, from the very first page of the very first book...Harry Potter shows us the respect and support that make up true friendships, the perseverance of a young boy against outrageous obstacles and the strong protective love between parents and child, the kind of love that all families should know (but don't too often). Denise Up to page 104 :-) Visit my gardens: http://web1.in4web.com/mtcdrc |
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Although i love to read and can read books very rapidly, i do not wish to
read the harry potter books. Funny enough, my 9 yr. old son, who also likes to read, never wanted anything to do with them either. Hasn't even seen a Harry Potter movie and does not even wish to own any of the HP toys. I guess HP just isnt for our family. Cathy Wait till he's Harry age at the start of the series, I always liked to read about kids my own age, up until I was in my thirties, then it didn't matter. HP is how we got the youngest to read, I paid him $1/chapter. Course to get the 2nd book he had to use his money from reading the first, and no, he didn't get paid to read something he wanted to read. So glad he was hooked after the 1st chapter and went on to read other books in the house. He's been bookless lately, so I'm hoping HP 5 will inspire him again on the joys of reading. Wish I had the time, I can't even keep up with RP, let alone my koi magazines.s ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Although i love to read and can read books very rapidly, i do not wish to read the harry potter books. Funny enough, my 9 yr. old son, who also likes to read, never wanted anything to do with them either. Hasn't even seen a Harry Potter movie and does not even wish to own any of the HP toys. I guess HP just isnt for our family. Cathy Wait till he's Harry age at the start of the series, I always liked to read about kids my own age, up until I was in my thirties, then it didn't matter. HP is how we got the youngest to read, I paid him $1/chapter. Course to get the 2nd book he had to use his money from reading the first, and no, he didn't get paid to read something he wanted to read. So glad he was hooked after the 1st chapter and went on to read other books in the house. He's been bookless lately, so I'm hoping HP 5 will inspire him again on the joys of reading. Wish I had the time, I can't even keep up with RP, let alone my koi magazines.s ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website -- I have seen all the HP movies so far an you guys have convinced me to read the books when I cn't get outside to play John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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I beg to disagree. I challenge anyone to READ any of the Harry Potter
books and point out any passages that are anti-religion OR promote disrespect for competent authority. If a 30 year old believes the books are anti-religious, and a bad influence on children, he has either not read them (the usual cause), or is so rigidly locked into his religion that he feels anything that does not pay homage to God is bad. In either case, he fits MY definition of 'BAD'. Note that I do not criticize anyone who has read (or tried to read) the books and put them down because they found them uninteresting, nor anyone who has not even bothered to try to read them, and has no opinion on them. Tastes vary, and to each his own. PlainBill On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:47:03 GMT, "Nedra" wrote: PlainBill, Just because a kid turns out "different" does NOT mean he is bad. I have a son who is a perfect throw-back to his maternal great-grandparent's ways of thinking. He is now 50 years old - has a beautiful family... and a gorgeous granddaughter baby. Dave is my rock. You are throwing in the towel on kids who are different - not Bad!!!! Nedra |
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Well said, Denise.
PlainBill On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT), (Denise) wrote: I can't understand the people who claim Harry Potter will turn our children into Satan followers and black magic users and all that other crap they insist on. What the hell are they scared of LMAO! Here's my take on what Harry Potter is about, from the very first page of the very first book...Harry Potter shows us the respect and support that make up true friendships, the perseverance of a young boy against outrageous obstacles and the strong protective love between parents and child, the kind of love that all families should know (but don't too often). Denise Up to page 104 :-) Visit my gardens: http://web1.in4web.com/mtcdrc |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, PlainBill wrote:
I beg to disagree. I challenge anyone to READ any of the Harry Potter books and point out any passages that are anti-religion OR promote disrespect for competent authority. If a 30 year old believes the books are anti-religious, and a bad influence on children, he has either not read them (the usual cause), or is so rigidly locked into his religion that he feels anything that does not pay homage to God is bad. In either case, he fits MY definition of 'BAD'. Note that I do not criticize anyone who has read (or tried to read) the books and put them down because they found them uninteresting, nor anyone who has not even bothered to try to read them, and has no opinion on them. Tastes vary, and to each his own. PlainBill Yeah, all that is perfectly correct, EXCEPT you are overlooking the fundamentalist belief that (Ooohhh!) SORCERY is, prima facie, associated with satanism and also expressly forbidden by the Bible. Well, at least in oneor some translations into modern English, it is. If I recall, the relevany passage (and I'm sure I'll be corrected, if not!) is to the effect of, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Some scholars prefer the translation "poisoner" to "witch", perhaps referring to one who poisons wells, something Christians have at times accused Jews of... Dave |
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PlainBill wrote: Well said, Denise. PlainBill On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT), (Denise) wrote: I can't understand the people who claim Harry Potter will turn our children into Satan followers and black magic users and all that other crap they insist on. What the hell are they scared of LMAO! Here's my take on what Harry Potter is about, from the very first page of the very first book...Harry Potter shows us the respect and support that make up true friendships, the perseverance of a young boy against outrageous obstacles and the strong protective love between parents and child, the kind of love that all families should know (but don't too often). Denise Up to page 104 :-) Visit my gardens: http://web1.in4web.com/mtcdrc -- i have not seen a satanist celebrate christmas and they did in one of th films John Rutz Z5 New Mexico good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad judgement see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Dave,
Precisely my point. There are two reasons given - the disputed translation ('poisoner' vrs 'witch'), and the belief that a witch must also be a Satanist. What I find most revealing is that the book does not even deal with witchcraft. JK Rowling uses Wizard and Scorcery. PlainBill On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:36:30 -0700, Dave Bell wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, PlainBill wrote: I beg to disagree. I challenge anyone to READ any of the Harry Potter books and point out any passages that are anti-religion OR promote disrespect for competent authority. If a 30 year old believes the books are anti-religious, and a bad influence on children, he has either not read them (the usual cause), or is so rigidly locked into his religion that he feels anything that does not pay homage to God is bad. In either case, he fits MY definition of 'BAD'. Note that I do not criticize anyone who has read (or tried to read) the books and put them down because they found them uninteresting, nor anyone who has not even bothered to try to read them, and has no opinion on them. Tastes vary, and to each his own. PlainBill Yeah, all that is perfectly correct, EXCEPT you are overlooking the fundamentalist belief that (Ooohhh!) SORCERY is, prima facie, associated with satanism and also expressly forbidden by the Bible. Well, at least in oneor some translations into modern English, it is. If I recall, the relevany passage (and I'm sure I'll be corrected, if not!) is to the effect of, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Some scholars prefer the translation "poisoner" to "witch", perhaps referring to one who poisons wells, something Christians have at times accused Jews of... Dave |
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Well, of course, that begs the question of where the Bible actually comes
from and why it was written as it was- a debate that is not likely to be solved, academically or religiously, anytime soon. Also, most of the fundamentalists have a tendency to ignore the long and ancient tradition in Judaic and early Christian religious practice that embraces mysticism and some of what could easily fall under the category of "magic." All that aside, my take on the whole HP thing is that they are just plain good stories- enjoy 'em as such! -Mak http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak Updates 6/22/03 Better to be occasionally cheated than perpetually suspicious. It's more fun to color outside the lines. |
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