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ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi.
(seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected) there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the best I can get(so far) . looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3 pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi, like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look 'fuzzy'. ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN koi #1,2,3 what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium permanganate) & also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any ideas?? I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I do have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter. I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you can see, still murky. |
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in case you ask.
water test at 3:45 PM PH : 8.3 ammonia : 0% ( but not perfectly 0, maybe a negligible amount,, I hate these testers) Nitrite : .5% salt .11% KH hardness 11 I went to koivet,, & am not doing injections (ok, that part won't bother me,, & daughter works for a vet,, but catching the suckers???) so I added salt & PP at a rate of 1t. per 600 gal. says to repeat in 4 days... any other suggestions?? muffin dang.. just when my quarantine tank fish were about to enter the pond . "*muffin*" wrote in message ... ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi. |
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Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is
Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... in case you ask. water test at 3:45 PM PH : 8.3 ammonia : 0% ( but not perfectly 0, maybe a negligible amount,, I hate these testers) Nitrite : .5% salt .11% KH hardness 11 I went to koivet,, & am not doing injections (ok, that part won't bother me,, & daughter works for a vet,, but catching the suckers???) so I added salt & PP at a rate of 1t. per 600 gal. says to repeat in 4 days... any other suggestions?? muffin dang.. just when my quarantine tank fish were about to enter the pond . "*muffin*" wrote in message ... ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi. |
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yea, thanks : (
at least they are still eating like little piranhas! the 'film' on the water,, is just annoying, (I think , I hope).. don't think its white,, but just *filmy* ( how else to describe it???) Muffin major pout......... "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. |
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I added 2 more pics. the film reminds me of what looks around a dying lily flower,,, that kind of film ( am I the only one to have seen that??) but the whole pond is covered, & I don't think I have many old flowers ( I just dead headed some last week) arrghhhhhhh "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. |
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muffin,
The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the PP is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a bruise or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to worry about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection. The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil slick and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot of brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray the water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi. (seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected) there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the best I can get(so far) . looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3 pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi, like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look 'fuzzy'. ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN koi #1,2,3 what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium permanganate) & also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any ideas?? I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I do have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter. I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you can see, still murky. |
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I have never seen anything like that film... I wish someone would come in here and have a look. What percentage pond salt do you have in the pond? I used to treat my pond with salt to cure the bacterial film. I never had any other meds in the pond - so I really hate to tell you what to do for fear it would hurt more than help. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... I added 2 more pics. the film reminds me of what looks around a dying lily flower,,, that kind of film ( am I the only one to have seen that??) but the whole pond is covered, & I don't think I have many old flowers ( I just dead headed some last week) arrghhhhhhh "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. |
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ok,, I does no reall look like raw skin,, so i 'hope' ha is wha i is,, i
looks like someone arrhhhhhhhhhh m ke board is gone wack .... some of m le ers are no working....... major helppppppppp ichToyBox" wrote in message news:hrnQa.49341$GL4.12657@rwcrnsc53... muffin, The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the PP is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a bruise or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to worry about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection. The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil slick and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot of brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray the water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi. (seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected) there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the best I can get(so far) . looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3 pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi, like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look 'fuzzy'. ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN koi #1,2,3 what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium permanganate) & also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any ideas?? I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I do have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter. I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you can see, still murky. |
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..18 percen now
how high can i go before i hur s plan s arrghhhhhhhhhhh ke board.............. "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... I have never seen anything like that film... I wish someone would come in here and have a look. What percentage pond salt do you have in the pond? I used to treat my pond with salt to cure the bacterial film. I never had any other meds in the pond - so I really hate to tell you what to do for fear it would hurt more than help. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... I added 2 more pics. the film reminds me of what looks around a dying lily flower,,, that kind of film ( am I the only one to have seen that??) but the whole pond is covered, & I don't think I have many old flowers ( I just dead headed some last week) arrghhhhhhh "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. |
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hope spellchecker fixes...
did you see his tail/ It also looks flamed in the picture of number 1 but heads do look like someone dotted their heads with white paint. hmmm .. had to cop and paste the letter 't' "RichToyBox" wrote in message news:hrnQa.49341$GL4.12657@rwcrnsc53... muffin, The white spots look like scarred areas that are healing. A couple of my fish skinned themselves pretty good during spawning and have a similar appearance. If it is getting worse, then it could be columnaris, and the PP is a good choice for treatment. The red area on koi #3 looks to be a bruise or abrasion, not really an ulcer. It isn't nearly inflamed enough to worry about yet. The PP and salt will minimize the chances of infection. The film on the water is probably proteins. It is almost like an oil slick and adds a strange shine to the surface, limiting the visibility into the water. The PP will help to digest the proteins and you should see a lot of brown foam at the waterfall if that is the case. It can be removed by overflowing the pond, which makes one form of skimmer action, but spray the water toward the overflow area to speed the skimming action. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... ok,, it finally hit. I have sick koi. (seems to be about 5 koi,, goldfish don't seem to be affected) there is no way I can catch them,,, & the pics I have on my site are the best I can get(so far) . looks like whitespot stuff on a few koi & one koi looks like an ulcer #3 pic (??). the whitespot stuff, is just kind of a dull patch on the koi, like murkywhite( not sure if I am describing it right), doesn't look 'fuzzy'. ok, pics are on http://community.webshots.com/album/74707665onrGAN koi #1,2,3 what is BEST way to treat pond,, (3600 gal. have melafix & Potassium permanganate) & also, question about pond.. it has a *film* on the top of it , any ideas?? I do not have a skimmer ( don't want one, because of floating plants),, I do have a water falls running though, & 'big' filter. I am running a UV filter, & it finally has started to clear, but as you can see, still murky. |
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0.3 percent is the usual medicinal dosage for salt.
Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... .18 percen now how high can i go before i hur s plan s arrghhhhhhhhhhh ke board.............. "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... I have never seen anything like that film... I wish someone would come in here and have a look. What percentage pond salt do you have in the pond? I used to treat my pond with salt to cure the bacterial film. I never had any other meds in the pond - so I really hate to tell you what to do for fear it would hurt more than help. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "*muffin*" wrote in message ... I added 2 more pics. the film reminds me of what looks around a dying lily flower,,, that kind of film ( am I the only one to have seen that??) but the whole pond is covered, & I don't think I have many old flowers ( I just dead headed some last week) arrghhhhhhh "Nedra" wrote in message nk.net... Muffin, Gosh I am sorry about your fish! All I ever do is Panic - I haven't a clue as to what to do to fix your babies. I don't see the 'milky' cast to the surface of your pond... that is what I first thought I'd see. When you do see it... the milky cast ... it means there is a bacterial infection going on somewhere in your pond water. Awfully sorry :( Someone will come in and help you fix it. |
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"*muffin*" wrote in message ...
I added 2 more pics. It looks like something is rotting in the pond. Did perhaps an animal fall in and drown? You might check the bottom to see if anything is there. Is there an excess of vegetation? It doesn't look like motor oil. I would try to catch out the koi, perhaps by luring them with food to a pre sunk net, then when they are eating you can quickly raise the net and get them. Then treat them in a hospital tank. I don't like the look of those lesions. I think concentrated antibiotic is called for. good luck! |
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eeegads........
I cannot see the bottom,, would not be cool to walk in IT and 'step' on something........... eek. will try to catch,, but from what someone else wrote, when he did IT IT took forever for fish to come back again. ,,,,,,,,,darn keyboard only some keys work,, have to cut an paste 't' "bern" wrote in message om... "*muffin*" wrote in message ... I added 2 more pics. It looks like something is rotting in the pond. Did perhaps an animal fall in and drown? You might check the bottom to see if anything is there. Is there an excess of vegetation? It doesn't look like motor oil. I would try to catch out the koi, perhaps by luring them with food to a pre sunk net, then when they are eating you can quickly raise the net and get them. Then treat them in a hospital tank. I don't like the look of those lesions. I think concentrated antibiotic is called for. good luck! |
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*muffin* wrote:
the 'film' on the water,, is just annoying, (I think , I hope).. don't think its white,, but just *filmy* ( how else to describe it???) I don't know what it is, but when I used to have a similar thing in an aquarium I used to take a piece of paper and draw it across the water. The film would cling to it. Not sure how to adapt that to a pond. Maybe newspaper? Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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*muffin* wrote:
eeegads........ I cannot see the bottom,, would not be cool to walk in IT and 'step' on something........... eek. will try to catch,, but from what someone else wrote, when he did IT IT took forever for fish to come back again. ,,,,,,,,,darn keyboard only some keys work,, have to cut an paste 't' Muffin, I can't find the post now, but was it you that asked if rotting barley straw stank so bad? Maybe it's not the straw. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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up,me
y es it is the straw that stank,, i picked it up to move it & smelled it "joe" wrote in message ... *muffin* wrote: eeegads........ I cannot see the bottom,, would not be cool to walk in IT and 'step' on something........... eek. will try to catch,, but from what someone else wrote, when he did IT IT took forever for fish to come back again. ,,,,,,,,,darn keyboard only some keys work,, have to cut an paste 't' Muffin, I can't find the post now, but was it you that asked if rotting barley straw stank so bad? Maybe it's not the straw. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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*muffin* wrote:
eeegads........ I cannot see the bottom,, would not be cool to walk in IT and 'step' on something........... eek. will try to catch,, but from what someone else wrote, when he did IT IT took forever for fish to come back again. ,,,,,,,,,darn keyboard only some keys work,, have to cut an paste 't' Muffin, I can't find the post now, but was it you that asked if rotting barley straw stank so bad? Maybe it's not the straw. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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y es it is the straw that stank,, i picked it up to move it & smelled it "joe" wrote in message ... *muffin* wrote: eeegads........ I cannot see the bottom,, would not be cool to walk in IT and 'step' on something........... eek. will try to catch,, but from what someone else wrote, when he did IT IT took forever for fish to come back again. ,,,,,,,,,darn keyboard only some keys work,, have to cut an paste 't' Muffin, I can't find the post now, but was it you that asked if rotting barley straw stank so bad? Maybe it's not the straw. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock
solution http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p....htm#POTASSIUM 2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there 3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of PP., dose 3 days in a row. Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most things. 4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. 5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond. the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN THE FILTER completely every day. dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces. I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the surface is coming from something rotting in there. you many have to drain to find it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid "*muffin*" wrote: PH : 8.3 ammonia : 0% ( but not perfectly 0, maybe a negligible amount,, I hate these testers) Nitrite : .5% salt .11% KH hardness 11 so I added salt & PP at a rate of 1t. per 600 gal. says to repeat in 4 days... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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both toxic water and parasites can cause that kind of reddening AND it looks like it
is split and being eroded. Ingrid "*muffin*" wrote: did you see his tail/ It also looks flamed in the picture of number 1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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"jammer" wrote in message ... On 13 Jul 2003 21:06:40 -0700, (bern) wrote: Excuse me, what about "excess" vegetation? I was absent that day. Sorry. I meant an excess of "dead" vegetation. But, of course, with an excess of live vegetation, there may also be an excess of dead leaves, flowers, etc. to rot and foul the water. For the most part, it is difficult to have "too many" plants. But if they are heavily fertilized, or drop too many dead leaves, stems, seeds, etc into the water it may lead to nutrient rich water and an algal bloom as well as possible rot. |
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wrote in message ... 1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock solution up i know that 2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there it has been at .15% for over a month, so far plants are good 3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of PP., dose 3 days in a row. ok, koivet.com said to repeat every 3 days what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I repeat?? Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most things. *Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on columnaris?? 4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. *i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read 5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond. I have a water fall lots of water the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN THE FILTER completely every day. right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo ok??? dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces. I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the surface is coming from something rotting in there. lots of trees relativel new pond & plants. stuff on top seems less today it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles |
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wrote in message ... 1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock solution up i know that 2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there it has been at .15% for over a month, so far plants are good 3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of PP., dose 3 days in a row. ok, koivet.com said to repeat every 3 days what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I repeat?? Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most things. *Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on columnaris?? 4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. *i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read 5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond. I have a water fall lots of water the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN THE FILTER completely every day. right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo ok??? dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces. I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the surface is coming from something rotting in there. lots of trees relativel new pond & plants. stuff on top seems less today it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles |
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4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you just looked,, film is 95% gone, now. but i do seem to see a lot of string algea running down m waterfall/stream than before... arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. *i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read ok nitrate level is '0' |
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muffin,
According to koivet, the use of hydrogen peroxide to clear the water following a treatment leaves some peroxide in the pond. Peroxide is active for up to three days, so any treatments done while it is active will be partially neutralized before you start. The use of dechlor within one day will do the same thing. You can do daily treatments, but if you don't change a large part of the water or do a peroxide treatment, the water starts to look like mud, and you can't tell when the color change occurs. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... 1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock solution up i know that 2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there it has been at .15% for over a month, so far plants are good 3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of PP., dose 3 days in a row. ok, koivet.com said to repeat every 3 days what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I repeat?? Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most things. *Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on columnaris?? 4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. *i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read 5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond. I have a water fall lots of water the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN THE FILTER completely every day. right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo ok??? dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces. I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the surface is coming from something rotting in there. lots of trees relativel new pond & plants. stuff on top seems less today it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles |
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muffin,
According to koivet, the use of hydrogen peroxide to clear the water following a treatment leaves some peroxide in the pond. Peroxide is active for up to three days, so any treatments done while it is active will be partially neutralized before you start. The use of dechlor within one day will do the same thing. You can do daily treatments, but if you don't change a large part of the water or do a peroxide treatment, the water starts to look like mud, and you can't tell when the color change occurs. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... 1. DO NOT ADD DRY PP TO ANY POND. this is how to kill the fish. make a stock solution up i know that 2. get the salt down to 0.1% OR get all your plants out of there it has been at .15% for over a month, so far plants are good 3. add the stock solution of PP in the evening, keep aeration going like crazy. if the water turns clear before 4 hours are up, then you need to add another dose of PP., dose 3 days in a row. ok, koivet.com said to repeat every 3 days what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I repeat?? Jo Ann took a look thinks the mouth problem is columnaris and PP will kill that. The white patch is probably some kind of parasite, the PP is good to take care of most things. *Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on columnaris?? 4. your water is toxic, you have to use the newspaper suggested to get that slick off the top and change some water. a UV is fine for getting rid of algae, but if you arent getting rid of the nitrates with algae or plants, you gotta do something else, like water changes. you dont say you tested for nitrates. *i jusT ordered a nitrate test kit,,, what should it read 5. if you dont have air stones going in there, get something to aerate the pond. I have a water fall lots of water the PP will react with everything organic and going to suck out the oxygen. CLEAN THE FILTER completely every day. right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo ok??? dont add the melafix. who knows what the combination with PP produces. I agree, if you dont have trees casting pollen all over the place, that crap on the surface is coming from something rotting in there. lots of trees relativel new pond & plants. stuff on top seems less today it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles |
**sick koi** #help#
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:38:57 GMT, "Bern Muller"
wrote: "jammer" wrote in message .. . On 13 Jul 2003 21:06:40 -0700, (bern) wrote: Excuse me, what about "excess" vegetation? I was absent that day. Sorry. I meant an excess of "dead" vegetation. But, of course, with an excess of live vegetation, there may also be an excess of dead leaves, flowers, etc. to rot and foul the water. For the most part, it is difficult to have "too many" plants. But if they are heavily fertilized, or drop too many dead leaves, stems, seeds, etc into the water it may lead to nutrient rich water and an algal bloom as well as possible rot. Ok, thank you very much. |
**sick koi** #help#
I dont think there is a chance in hell of the PP being in the water for more than 24
hours. But even if there is, use Jo Ann's method... add some peroxide and it will instantly clear. the peroxide is broken down immediately by the PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. I will tell you that if I was going to treat my pond I would turn off the filtration (veggie filter) to prevent the PP from being used up by organics, then dose the pond, wait 4 hours, drop in the peroxide, turn the filter back on. found a pretty good page on bacterial infections http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/Undergrad/Siegel/ it isnt quantity, but how much it is spread out to oxygenate. ahhha! tadpoles or toadpoles and that means there might have been an ammonia spike when they were spawning. Ingrid "*muffin*" wrote: what happens after 3 days, I am sure i won't clear up by then, when do I repeat?? *Thanks* sooo much for asking her,, where can i see some pics or info on columnaris?? I have a water fall lots of water right now I will run the sand filter & turn off the bio filter/uv combo ok??? it. set up a cheap swimming pool and start removing all the plants sniffing them deeply to see if there is anything rotting in them. toads and frogs spawning, BTW, will foul a pond fast, altho that is usually a spring thing. Ingrid i just saw NEW batch of teeny tadpoles ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
**sick koi** #help#
you think the peroxide will be gone be the next day??
why do others & koivet.com say it is 3 days wrote in message ... I dont think there is a chance in hell of the PP being in the water for more than 24 hours. But even if there is, use Jo Ann's method... add some peroxide and it will instantly clear. the peroxide is broken down immediately by the PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. |
**sick koi** #help#
oh,, I didn't think you answered,, do I do this for JUSt 3 treatments??
doesn't seem like they will heal in that amount of time. ...PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. |
**sick koi** #help#
you think the peroxide will be gone be the next day??
why do others & koivet.com say it is 3 days wrote in message ... I dont think there is a chance in hell of the PP being in the water for more than 24 hours. But even if there is, use Jo Ann's method... add some peroxide and it will instantly clear. the peroxide is broken down immediately by the PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. |
**sick koi** #help#
oh,, I didn't think you answered,, do I do this for JUSt 3 treatments??
doesn't seem like they will heal in that amount of time. ...PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. |
**sick koi** #help#
muffin,
They will not heal in that amount of time. They will be rid of any parasites that are causing problems. They will have cleaner water. Both of these will help them heal themselves. The use of a medicated food may be helpful. The use of KoiZyme will keep bacteria numbers down so they will heal better. The most effective methods require catching the fish and using a topical application of iodine, PP paste, merthiolate, or similar, and injections. But no matter what the method of treatment, it is like a good scrape to you. It don't go away in 5 minutes. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "*muffin*" wrote in message ... oh,, I didn't think you answered,, do I do this for JUSt 3 treatments?? doesn't seem like they will heal in that amount of time. ..PP and will be gone by the next day for the next dose. every other day for 3 treatments. |
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