New fish dying off - Help diagnose
I built a new pond in May and added four gold fishies soon after. They were
all doing quite well, until the local cat snagged one (Scarecrow stopped working). So about a week ago I added four new gold fishies (Lionheads). These are the same type as the original (Walmart specials), but they were considerably smaller than the existing fish, who eat like piggies. The new fish were also a different colour, two were almost all silver with gold spots and one was silver with speckles, no gold. I let the new fish adjust to the water temp before I added them to the pond, but did not adjust the PH. The first new fish died within two days, laying on the bottom and not eating. It ignored the other fish or they ignored him? The second new fish (speckled) was active for a while, but did not eat and did not associate with the other fish. Found him wedged under a rock on the bottom of the pond this morning. It had a whitish coating on its body and eyes. The third fish has always hung out with the other fish and eats like a horse. The pond is about 300+ gallons, with water lillies, water hyacynth, small fountain and waterfall. I have an external filter with UV light, so there is no floating algea just surface algea. The PH runs a little high, but not too bad. Any ideas what might have caused this? Will it spread to the other fish? Could it be an air bladder infection? |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
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I built a new pond in May and added four gold fishies soon after. They were all doing quite well, until the local cat snagged one (Scarecrow stopped working). So about a week ago I added four new gold fishies (Lionheads). These are the same type as the original (Walmart specials), but they were considerably smaller than the existing fish, who eat like piggies. The new fish were also a different colour, two were almost all silver with gold spots and one was silver with speckles, no gold. I let the new fish adjust to the water temp before I added them to the pond, but did not adjust the PH. The first new fish died within two days, laying on the bottom and not eating. It ignored the other fish or they ignored him? The second new fish (speckled) was active for a while, but did not eat and did not associate with the other fish. Found him wedged under a rock on the bottom of the pond this morning. It had a whitish coating on its body and eyes. The third fish has always hung out with the other fish and eats like a horse. The pond is about 300+ gallons, with water lillies, water hyacynth, small fountain and waterfall. I have an external filter with UV light, so there is no floating algea just surface algea. The PH runs a little high, but not too bad. Any ideas what might have caused this? Will it spread to the other fish? Could it be an air bladder infection? Walmart isn't known for healthy fish. They probably were sick before you bought them. You may have infected your old fish so maybe give them a dose of .01% sea salt or any additive free salt like water softener salt. New fish should be quarrantined for a month or more in salt water at first. Use an aquarium or a plastic tote with an air stone. When they passed the test put them in the pond. This approach will save you old fish. When adding salt make sure it is additive free and dissolve it in a bucket of pond water and then add it to the pond. Invest in a few good pond books like the Pond Doctor by Helen Nash and Garden Ponds by Dick Mills at Tetra Press. When Having a sick fish research at Koi Vet or AKCA-Koi USA. Happy Water Gardening. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
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http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p...htm#quarantine for pond fish http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/p...re1.htm#buying a new goldfish dont float bags of fish in a pond if 1. it is hot out or 2. if the sun is hitting the bag. the oxygen is depleted really fast. dont open the bags until you are ready to move the fish. then open, do the salt dip and quarantine all new fish. Ingrid "Bill Stock" wrote: I built a new pond in May and added four gold fishies soon after. They were all doing quite well, until the local cat snagged one (Scarecrow stopped working). So about a week ago I added four new gold fishies (Lionheads). These are the same type as the original (Walmart specials), but they were considerably smaller than the existing fish, who eat like piggies. The new fish were also a different colour, two were almost all silver with gold spots and one was silver with speckles, no gold. I let the new fish adjust to the water temp before I added them to the pond, but did not adjust the PH. The first new fish died within two days, laying on the bottom and not eating. It ignored the other fish or they ignored him? The second new fish (speckled) was active for a while, but did not eat and did not associate with the other fish. Found him wedged under a rock on the bottom of the pond this morning. It had a whitish coating on its body and eyes. The third fish has always hung out with the other fish and eats like a horse. The pond is about 300+ gallons, with water lillies, water hyacynth, small fountain and waterfall. I have an external filter with UV light, so there is no floating algea just surface algea. The PH runs a little high, but not too bad. Any ideas what might have caused this? Will it spread to the other fish? Could it be an air bladder infection? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
no, if fish have been in the bag for more than 1/2 and hour the water now has ammonia
but the CO2 blown off by the fish pushes the pH down making the ammonia less toxic. open the bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH rises and ammonia is more toxic. adding pond water to the bucket for some reason releases other toxins as well. the minute the bag is opened the fish gotta be moved. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid When fish are transported in bags, it is best to pour the contents into an open container, add an airstone to replenish lost dissolved oxygen, and over a five or ten minute period add destination water (pond, tank, etc) at least equal in volume to the transport water. This gives fish time to adjust to water chemistry. Follow up with temperature acclimation (add more destination water until temperatures are similar) and release the fish. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper
acclimation procedures for fish over the years. That which I posted has proven the most successful method for a thriving tropical fish and goldfish hatchery operated by my family during the last forty years. Life underwater can be a stressful excerise. Many freshwater fish are evolved to adjust to wide changes in pH, temperature, dissolved oxygen, and other water quaility parameters in every 24 hour period: these parameters are rarely stable in nature and fish must be able to adjust as changes occur. Harm occurs to fish in transport when tolerance limits are exceeded (e.g. ammonia buildup and oxygen depletion in a bag) or when change occurs too rapidly (e.g. dumping a bag of water and fish at pH 6.8 into a pond at pH 8.1). The key is to get the fish out of the bag as soon as possible, but to not expose them to completely new conditions too rapidly. If you have a quarantine tank, by all means use it when you bring home new fish. You must still acclimate fish from the tank to the pond when quarantine is over. wrote: no, if fish have been in the bag for more than 1/2 and hour the water now has ammonia but the CO2 blown off by the fish pushes the pH down making the ammonia less toxic. open the bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH rises and ammonia is more toxic. adding pond water to the bucket for some reason releases other toxins as well. the minute the bag is opened the fish gotta be moved. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid When fish are transported in bags, it is best to pour the contents into an open container, add an airstone to replenish lost dissolved oxygen, and over a five or ten minute period add destination water (pond, tank, etc) at least equal in volume to the transport water. This gives fish time to adjust to water chemistry. Follow up with temperature acclimation (add more destination water until temperatures are similar) and release the fish. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
yes, the debate is between what all the little books on aquarium fish say and what
experts who sell really expensive fish say. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid GD wrote: To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper acclimation procedures for fish over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
yes, the debate is between what all the little books on aquarium fish say and what
experts who sell really expensive fish say. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid GD wrote: To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper acclimation procedures for fish over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
yes, the debate is between what all the little books on aquarium fish say and what
experts who sell really expensive fish say. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid GD wrote: To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper acclimation procedures for fish over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
yes, the debate is between what all the little books on aquarium fish say and what
experts who sell really expensive fish say. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid GD wrote: To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper acclimation procedures for fish over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
New fish dying off - Help diagnose
yes, the debate is between what all the little books on aquarium fish say and what
experts who sell really expensive fish say. changes in pH up to 7.0 or down to 7.0 wont hurt fish, up past 7.0, it takes 24 hours to acclimate to 0.2 pH units. so if the fish is coming from acidic waters (ask when you buy them) and going into alkaline water, "acclimating" over an hour isnt going to do anything. better is to pH that quarantine tank down to 7.0 and over the next weeks bring it up to the alkaline pH. high jump in alkalinity can bring on dropsy. temp is not a problem if it goes up, but no more than a 4oF drop over 24 hours. so dropping temp in an hour isnt going to do anything for the fish. drops in temp bring on ich and dropsy. better to gradually lower the temp in a quarantine tank over several days. Ingrid GD wrote: To my knowledge, there has been considerable debate on proper acclimation procedures for fish over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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