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Salt in a Nutshell
For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or need
to figure out how much to add: Salt in a Nutshell 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the numbers, it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = 454 grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams of water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) If there is no salt reading in the pond: # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water Example: 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. If there is an existing salt reading: R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons To get # salt needed with known gallons: (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): ..2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract R1 from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is .15 (not .2) I hope this helps. Lee |
Salt in a Nutshell
One of your numbers is off by a factor of 10.
If 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity Then this CANNOT be correct; 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% Ken Russell "Lee B." wrote in message ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is ..15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The numbers are kinda rounded to keep it simple. By the time you extrapolate
the decimal from 1 gallon to 100 gallons, it goes up just a little bit. Read a bit further down in the message and the conversion factors are shown/proved (all in metric). I got this info from a trusted source who's much better at math than I am: it's a "cheat sheet" that allows you to do the math without having to access web-based calculators. Lee "Ken Russell" wrote in message u... One of your numbers is off by a factor of 10. If 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity Then this CANNOT be correct; 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% Ken Russell "Lee B." wrote in message ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The numbers are kinda rounded to keep it simple. By the time you extrapolate
the decimal from 1 gallon to 100 gallons, it goes up just a little bit. Read a bit further down in the message and the conversion factors are shown/proved (all in metric). I got this info from a trusted source who's much better at math than I am: it's a "cheat sheet" that allows you to do the math without having to access web-based calculators. Lee "Ken Russell" wrote in message u... One of your numbers is off by a factor of 10. If 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity Then this CANNOT be correct; 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% Ken Russell "Lee B." wrote in message ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
Hi Lee,
Notwithstanding the impeccable source, something has suffered in the translation :-( I think you will find that the second statement should read; 1 lb of salt in 100 gallons of water = 0.012% -- Ken Russell "Lee B." wrote in message ... | The numbers are kinda rounded to keep it simple. By the time you extrapolate | the decimal from 1 gallon to 100 gallons, it goes up just a little bit. | Read a bit further down in the message and the conversion factors are | shown/proved (all in metric). I got this info from a trusted source who's | much better at math than I am: it's a "cheat sheet" that allows you to do | the math without having to access web-based calculators. | | Lee | | "Ken Russell" wrote in message | u... | One of your numbers is off by a factor of 10. | | If 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | Then this CANNOT be correct; | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | | Ken Russell | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | | to figure out how much to add: | | | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 | grams | of | | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | | | Example: | | | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so | the | | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, | but | | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | | (not .2) | | | | | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | | | | | Lee | | | | | | | --- | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water
is 10.71% salinity!!!! Dean Markley "Lee B." wrote in message ... For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or need to figure out how much to add: Salt in a Nutshell 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the numbers, it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = 454 grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams of water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) If there is no salt reading in the pond: # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water Example: 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. If there is an existing salt reading: R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons To get # salt needed with known gallons: (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract R1 from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is ..15 (not .2) I hope this helps. Lee |
Salt in a Nutshell
The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured
either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured
either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured
either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
I am so severely math challenged! You all are brilliant for even
trying to explain all this to such as me. Just a comment ....(sigh) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Ken Russell" wrote in message ... The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
I am so severely math challenged! You all are brilliant for even
trying to explain all this to such as me. Just a comment ....(sigh) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Ken Russell" wrote in message ... The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured
either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
Salt in a Nutshell
The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured
either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
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I am so severely math challenged! You all are brilliant for even
trying to explain all this to such as me. Just a comment ....(sigh) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Ken Russell" wrote in message ... The amount of salt dissolved in water is termed the salinity and is measured either as a per cent, in parts-per-thousand (ppt), or in parts-per-million (ppm) (where 10 ppt = 1% = 10000 ppm). The more common parts-per-thousand measurement is the weight of the salt in pounds per thousand pounds of water (about 125 gallons). Pond-keepers often talk about the pounds of salt per hundred gallons of water. Since 100 gallons of pure water weighs about 800 pounds, one pound of salt per hundred gallons equates to a salinity of 1.25 ppt (0.125% or 1250 ppm). (1 ppt = 0.8 pounds per hundred gallons) -- Ken Russell wrote in message k.net... | You'd better check those calculations again. 1 lb salt in 1 gallon of water | is 10.71% salinity!!!! | | Dean Markley | | "Lee B." wrote in message | ... | For those that need to calculate the size of their pond using salt, or | need | to figure out how much to add: | | Salt in a Nutshell | | | | 1 lb. of salt in 1 gallon of water = 1% salinity | | 1 lb. of salt in 100 gallons of water = .12% | | (These are "generally accepted" numbers; if you want to "proof" the | numbers, | it goes like this: 1 lb. salt /100 gallons water (convert to metric) = | 454 | grams of salt / 378.5 liters of water = 454 grams of salt / 378,500 grams | of | water = 0.001199 ppm, or 0.12%) | | | | If there is no salt reading in the pond: | | # salt x 12 / % salinity = gallons of water | | Example: | | 25 lbs salt x 12 = 300 / .3 (salinity) = 1000 gal. | | | | If there is an existing salt reading: | | R1 = Reading 1 (existing); R2 = Reading 2 (resultant) | | # salt x 12 / (R2-R1) salinity = gallons of water | | Example (Say the existing salt level was .15; after salt it was .3, so the | number we're looking for is .3 - .15 = .15): | | 50 lbs. salt x 12 = 600 / .15 = 4000 gallons | | | | To get # salt needed with known gallons: | | (desired % / 12) x gallons of water = # salt | | Example (If you want to achieve a .2% of salt in a 1500 gallon pond): | | .2/12 = .01666 x 1500 = 24.999 lbs. of salt (call it 25!) | | | | Note: If there are salt levels already in the pond, remember to subtract | R1 | from R2 to get your final reading; if you want a final reading of .2, but | the initial reading is .05, then the actual number you're looking for is | .15 | (not .2) | | | | I hope this helps. | | | | Lee | | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/2004 |
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% is calculated by grams per 100 ml.
0.9 lbs of salt per 100 gallons comes out to 0.1% salt Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a
300 gal pond? |
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Salt in a Nutshell
roughly...
1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% Ingrid (Judi9000) wrote: This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a 300 gal pond? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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roughly...
1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% Ingrid (Judi9000) wrote: This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a 300 gal pond? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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roughly...
1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% Ingrid (Judi9000) wrote: This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a 300 gal pond? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you
about 0.1% Ingrid Thanks!!! Judi |
Salt in a Nutshell
5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you
about 0.1% Ingrid Thanks!!! Judi |
Salt in a Nutshell
"Hal" wrote in message ... On 02 Feb 2004 01:15:22 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a 300 gal pond? snip I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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"Hal" wrote in message ... On 02 Feb 2004 01:15:22 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: This is really basic, but can someone tell me how many CUPS of salt to add to a 300 gal pond? snip I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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wrote in message ... roughly... 1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% snip Don't you mean a minimum of 0.1%? Does the OP know the current salinity of the water? BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
Salt in a Nutshell
wrote in message ... roughly... 1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% snip Don't you mean a minimum of 0.1%? Does the OP know the current salinity of the water? BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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she wasnt asking that. she was asking how many cups for 0.1%. and it is very
unlikely she already got such a high level that it would be toxic. I recommend people use 0.05% overwinter and increase it in spring, then let it dilute out during the year unless there are really heavy rains. there is no down side to salt as a prevention and a stimulant to slime coat. even in their padded pond, my fish scrape against the hanging lilly pots and this and that when they come up in a feeding frenzy. salt isnt anything like antibiotics. Ingrid "BenignVanilla" wrote: wrote in message ... roughly... 1/2 cup salt in 1 gallon = 3%, the concentration for a dip. 1/2 cup in 10 gallons = 0.3% 1/2 cup in 30 gallons = 0.1% 10 x 1/2 cup or 5 cups of the course rock salt used in water softeners will give you about 0.1% snip Don't you mean a minimum of 0.1%? Does the OP know the current salinity of the water? BV. www.iheartmypond.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote: I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. USDA recommends 200 to 500 ppm as an indefinite (permanent) salinity. It relieves osmotic stress and prevents nitrite toxicity. This level does not directly treat diseases or parasites, but it may allow fish to more easily fight off and prevent them. This level is 2-2/3 to 6-2/3 ounces per 100 gallons. For 800 gallons, it would be 1.3 to 3.4 pounds. As you can see, the precise level isn't important, and these levels are far below those that affect plants. Reference: Table 3 in USDA "Calculating Treatments for Ponds" http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/pu...srac/410fs.pdf n Rod Reference is probably old and out of date, but the idea is still alive in some ponders. Regards, Hal |
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Hal,
First point, the USDA said nothing of recommending anything in this article. Chemicals and meds used in Aquaculture are regulated by the EPA and FDA, and the reason for this is because the article that you are citing deals with food fish. Second point. 200 to 500ppm is equal to .02 to 05% salt in the water. This is next to nothing and there is not a device on the market that can read that low accurately with out spending a big chuck of money. In fact most devices read in parts per ton (ppt) and one ppt is equal 1000ppm. In addition, most people have more than that in Total Dissolved Salts (TDS) in their water systems all ready. Here in Pawnee TDS averages about 410ppm, in Stillwater it is 4,750ppm and for the most part TDS are going to affect any salt meter you are using. Also the remark you made about nitrite is incorrect somewhat, because it is not the salt that helps protect against nitrite poisoning it is the chloride in the salt that does this because it competes for the absorption position at the gills of the fish as they are taking up oxygen from the water, plus the chloride in the has to be 20:1 higher to the nitrite and must be adjusted continually as the nitrite increases in concentration. Also, Calcium chloride could be used instead of Sodium Chloride to achieve this concentration. One level of Chloride in the water is not going to protect as the level of nitrite increases. The chloride level must be adjust all the time. Also I would like to point out that in the place that suggests an indefinite concentration of salt at the level of 1,000-2,000ppm (0.1 - 0.2%) is for "hauling tanks." This is when the supplier is transporting 450 fish in a 500gallong tank. The indefinite time they are talking about deals with the duration of time the fish are in the transport tank going from point A to point B. During the hauling period a very high level of air is being pumped into the tank to supply all the oxygen the high stocking level and to help off set the amount of toxic waste that is building up in the tank during transport. The third point is that this article is for aquaculture facilities that are dealing with pounds of fish per gallon of water not one Goldfish per 10 gallons of water. There is no correlation between this article and your garden pond where you are keeping one KOI per 100 gallons of water. It has nothing to do with back yard ponds. Oh, and by the BV remark is supported by research now, for now there are parasites and bacteria that live better in salter environments requiring higher levels to kill them because of the prophylactic use of salt in fish environments. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ "Hal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. USDA recommends 200 to 500 ppm as an indefinite (permanent) salinity. It relieves osmotic stress and prevents nitrite toxicity. This level does not directly treat diseases or parasites, but it may allow fish to more easily fight off and prevent them. This level is 2-2/3 to 6-2/3 ounces per 100 gallons. For 800 gallons, it would be 1.3 to 3.4 pounds. As you can see, the precise level isn't important, and these levels are far below those that affect plants. Reference: Table 3 in USDA "Calculating Treatments for Ponds" http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/pu...srac/410fs.pdf n Rod Reference is probably old and out of date, but the idea is still alive in some ponders. Regards, Hal |
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Hal,
First point, the USDA said nothing of recommending anything in this article. Chemicals and meds used in Aquaculture are regulated by the EPA and FDA, and the reason for this is because the article that you are citing deals with food fish. Second point. 200 to 500ppm is equal to .02 to 05% salt in the water. This is next to nothing and there is not a device on the market that can read that low accurately with out spending a big chuck of money. In fact most devices read in parts per ton (ppt) and one ppt is equal 1000ppm. In addition, most people have more than that in Total Dissolved Salts (TDS) in their water systems all ready. Here in Pawnee TDS averages about 410ppm, in Stillwater it is 4,750ppm and for the most part TDS are going to affect any salt meter you are using. Also the remark you made about nitrite is incorrect somewhat, because it is not the salt that helps protect against nitrite poisoning it is the chloride in the salt that does this because it competes for the absorption position at the gills of the fish as they are taking up oxygen from the water, plus the chloride in the has to be 20:1 higher to the nitrite and must be adjusted continually as the nitrite increases in concentration. Also, Calcium chloride could be used instead of Sodium Chloride to achieve this concentration. One level of Chloride in the water is not going to protect as the level of nitrite increases. The chloride level must be adjust all the time. Also I would like to point out that in the place that suggests an indefinite concentration of salt at the level of 1,000-2,000ppm (0.1 - 0.2%) is for "hauling tanks." This is when the supplier is transporting 450 fish in a 500gallong tank. The indefinite time they are talking about deals with the duration of time the fish are in the transport tank going from point A to point B. During the hauling period a very high level of air is being pumped into the tank to supply all the oxygen the high stocking level and to help off set the amount of toxic waste that is building up in the tank during transport. The third point is that this article is for aquaculture facilities that are dealing with pounds of fish per gallon of water not one Goldfish per 10 gallons of water. There is no correlation between this article and your garden pond where you are keeping one KOI per 100 gallons of water. It has nothing to do with back yard ponds. Oh, and by the BV remark is supported by research now, for now there are parasites and bacteria that live better in salter environments requiring higher levels to kill them because of the prophylactic use of salt in fish environments. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ "Hal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. USDA recommends 200 to 500 ppm as an indefinite (permanent) salinity. It relieves osmotic stress and prevents nitrite toxicity. This level does not directly treat diseases or parasites, but it may allow fish to more easily fight off and prevent them. This level is 2-2/3 to 6-2/3 ounces per 100 gallons. For 800 gallons, it would be 1.3 to 3.4 pounds. As you can see, the precise level isn't important, and these levels are far below those that affect plants. Reference: Table 3 in USDA "Calculating Treatments for Ponds" http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/pu...srac/410fs.pdf n Rod Reference is probably old and out of date, but the idea is still alive in some ponders. Regards, Hal |
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Hal,
First point, the USDA said nothing of recommending anything in this article. Chemicals and meds used in Aquaculture are regulated by the EPA and FDA, and the reason for this is because the article that you are citing deals with food fish. Second point. 200 to 500ppm is equal to .02 to 05% salt in the water. This is next to nothing and there is not a device on the market that can read that low accurately with out spending a big chuck of money. In fact most devices read in parts per ton (ppt) and one ppt is equal 1000ppm. In addition, most people have more than that in Total Dissolved Salts (TDS) in their water systems all ready. Here in Pawnee TDS averages about 410ppm, in Stillwater it is 4,750ppm and for the most part TDS are going to affect any salt meter you are using. Also the remark you made about nitrite is incorrect somewhat, because it is not the salt that helps protect against nitrite poisoning it is the chloride in the salt that does this because it competes for the absorption position at the gills of the fish as they are taking up oxygen from the water, plus the chloride in the has to be 20:1 higher to the nitrite and must be adjusted continually as the nitrite increases in concentration. Also, Calcium chloride could be used instead of Sodium Chloride to achieve this concentration. One level of Chloride in the water is not going to protect as the level of nitrite increases. The chloride level must be adjust all the time. Also I would like to point out that in the place that suggests an indefinite concentration of salt at the level of 1,000-2,000ppm (0.1 - 0.2%) is for "hauling tanks." This is when the supplier is transporting 450 fish in a 500gallong tank. The indefinite time they are talking about deals with the duration of time the fish are in the transport tank going from point A to point B. During the hauling period a very high level of air is being pumped into the tank to supply all the oxygen the high stocking level and to help off set the amount of toxic waste that is building up in the tank during transport. The third point is that this article is for aquaculture facilities that are dealing with pounds of fish per gallon of water not one Goldfish per 10 gallons of water. There is no correlation between this article and your garden pond where you are keeping one KOI per 100 gallons of water. It has nothing to do with back yard ponds. Oh, and by the BV remark is supported by research now, for now there are parasites and bacteria that live better in salter environments requiring higher levels to kill them because of the prophylactic use of salt in fish environments. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ "Hal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. USDA recommends 200 to 500 ppm as an indefinite (permanent) salinity. It relieves osmotic stress and prevents nitrite toxicity. This level does not directly treat diseases or parasites, but it may allow fish to more easily fight off and prevent them. This level is 2-2/3 to 6-2/3 ounces per 100 gallons. For 800 gallons, it would be 1.3 to 3.4 pounds. As you can see, the precise level isn't important, and these levels are far below those that affect plants. Reference: Table 3 in USDA "Calculating Treatments for Ponds" http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/pu...srac/410fs.pdf n Rod Reference is probably old and out of date, but the idea is still alive in some ponders. Regards, Hal |
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Hal,
First point, the USDA said nothing of recommending anything in this article. Chemicals and meds used in Aquaculture are regulated by the EPA and FDA, and the reason for this is because the article that you are citing deals with food fish. Second point. 200 to 500ppm is equal to .02 to 05% salt in the water. This is next to nothing and there is not a device on the market that can read that low accurately with out spending a big chuck of money. In fact most devices read in parts per ton (ppt) and one ppt is equal 1000ppm. In addition, most people have more than that in Total Dissolved Salts (TDS) in their water systems all ready. Here in Pawnee TDS averages about 410ppm, in Stillwater it is 4,750ppm and for the most part TDS are going to affect any salt meter you are using. Also the remark you made about nitrite is incorrect somewhat, because it is not the salt that helps protect against nitrite poisoning it is the chloride in the salt that does this because it competes for the absorption position at the gills of the fish as they are taking up oxygen from the water, plus the chloride in the has to be 20:1 higher to the nitrite and must be adjusted continually as the nitrite increases in concentration. Also, Calcium chloride could be used instead of Sodium Chloride to achieve this concentration. One level of Chloride in the water is not going to protect as the level of nitrite increases. The chloride level must be adjust all the time. Also I would like to point out that in the place that suggests an indefinite concentration of salt at the level of 1,000-2,000ppm (0.1 - 0.2%) is for "hauling tanks." This is when the supplier is transporting 450 fish in a 500gallong tank. The indefinite time they are talking about deals with the duration of time the fish are in the transport tank going from point A to point B. During the hauling period a very high level of air is being pumped into the tank to supply all the oxygen the high stocking level and to help off set the amount of toxic waste that is building up in the tank during transport. The third point is that this article is for aquaculture facilities that are dealing with pounds of fish per gallon of water not one Goldfish per 10 gallons of water. There is no correlation between this article and your garden pond where you are keeping one KOI per 100 gallons of water. It has nothing to do with back yard ponds. Oh, and by the BV remark is supported by research now, for now there are parasites and bacteria that live better in salter environments requiring higher levels to kill them because of the prophylactic use of salt in fish environments. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ "Hal" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote: I am just going to toss my biased 2 cents in. You should add NONE unless you are treating some condition and even then, you should know what you are dealing with before you dose. I know penicillin kills a lot of stuff but I don't take it every day just in case. IMHO, salting your pond is the same concept. USDA recommends 200 to 500 ppm as an indefinite (permanent) salinity. It relieves osmotic stress and prevents nitrite toxicity. This level does not directly treat diseases or parasites, but it may allow fish to more easily fight off and prevent them. This level is 2-2/3 to 6-2/3 ounces per 100 gallons. For 800 gallons, it would be 1.3 to 3.4 pounds. As you can see, the precise level isn't important, and these levels are far below those that affect plants. Reference: Table 3 in USDA "Calculating Treatments for Ponds" http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/pu...srac/410fs.pdf n Rod Reference is probably old and out of date, but the idea is still alive in some ponders. Regards, Hal |
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OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it
was best. Now some say not to=BF=BF=BF=BF Should I or Not??=BF=BF So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND |
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yes. it is best to have that low level of salt in the pond. now some people here
never use it and do fine, but some people here have a natural level of salinity in their water like those live near the coasts or those live where the water flows thru salt deposits. Brett who breeds and raises koi has natural salt in the water he pumps into his ponds. Even so, he adds considerable salt as a preventative. I tend to follow the advice given by people who make their living from fish rather than hobbiest who have perfected their fish keeping abilities on a few tanks maybe with water a whole lot better than I have coming outta the tap. Ingrid (REBEL JOE) wrote: OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Salt in a Nutshell
yes. it is best to have that low level of salt in the pond. now some people here
never use it and do fine, but some people here have a natural level of salinity in their water like those live near the coasts or those live where the water flows thru salt deposits. Brett who breeds and raises koi has natural salt in the water he pumps into his ponds. Even so, he adds considerable salt as a preventative. I tend to follow the advice given by people who make their living from fish rather than hobbiest who have perfected their fish keeping abilities on a few tanks maybe with water a whole lot better than I have coming outta the tap. Ingrid (REBEL JOE) wrote: OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Salt in a Nutshell
yes. it is best to have that low level of salt in the pond. now some people here
never use it and do fine, but some people here have a natural level of salinity in their water like those live near the coasts or those live where the water flows thru salt deposits. Brett who breeds and raises koi has natural salt in the water he pumps into his ponds. Even so, he adds considerable salt as a preventative. I tend to follow the advice given by people who make their living from fish rather than hobbiest who have perfected their fish keeping abilities on a few tanks maybe with water a whole lot better than I have coming outta the tap. Ingrid (REBEL JOE) wrote: OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Salt in a Nutshell
yes. it is best to have that low level of salt in the pond. now some people here
never use it and do fine, but some people here have a natural level of salinity in their water like those live near the coasts or those live where the water flows thru salt deposits. Brett who breeds and raises koi has natural salt in the water he pumps into his ponds. Even so, he adds considerable salt as a preventative. I tend to follow the advice given by people who make their living from fish rather than hobbiest who have perfected their fish keeping abilities on a few tanks maybe with water a whole lot better than I have coming outta the tap. Ingrid (REBEL JOE) wrote: OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Salt in a Nutshell
yes. it is best to have that low level of salt in the pond. now some people here
never use it and do fine, but some people here have a natural level of salinity in their water like those live near the coasts or those live where the water flows thru salt deposits. Brett who breeds and raises koi has natural salt in the water he pumps into his ponds. Even so, he adds considerable salt as a preventative. I tend to follow the advice given by people who make their living from fish rather than hobbiest who have perfected their fish keeping abilities on a few tanks maybe with water a whole lot better than I have coming outta the tap. Ingrid (REBEL JOE) wrote: OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Salt in a Nutshell
Rebel Joe,
Salt is one of those thinks that has turned into an urban legend. The only thing that people use as references for using salt is Aquaculture research that is dealing with high stocking loads (as high as one pound of fish per gallon of water) for fish that are kept only for a short period of time before they are sent off to market. If you read my response to Hal you see what I mean. Ingrid response to you about Brett farm is a little misleading because Brett's farm are on a salt plain and his water is salty all the time. He has no choice. He can't get fresh water except for the local municipality at a high cost when you consider the gallonage of his ponds. He has several ponds in the 100,000 gallon range. The thing you have to remember that salt is an irritate to fish which is why the produce more mucus with the presence of salt being in the water. I also stated in my message to Hal why the very low percentages of salt in the water is hardly effective for protecting against nitrite poisoning. If you concentrate on clean clear water you will be much better off and so will be your fish. I do not use salt, except as a med when it warrants it for certain diseases, but I have not had a sick fish in 6 years, so I don't even need it for that reason. I always say that three things for keep happy health fish is: 1. Clean water, 2. Clear Water, and last but not least, 3. Clean water. Keeping your water chemistry in line keeping the water clean and clear is a much better use of your time, if you do this you will not have trouble with your fish getting sick. The other thing is that salt is hard to keep track of unless you are very methodical in your administration of it to your pond or tanks. Although the salt kits do read salt ppm you have to be careful of their accuracy and unless you spend a lot of money very few kits or device will effectively read salinity level accurately in freshwater. I also mentioned in message to Hal you have to know what the TDS are in your own water system. Some are low and some are high. When I lived in San Diego and Los Angeles the TDS were in the 15,000+ range. In the TDS levels are sodium chloride and calcium chloride and a bunch of other salts. Depending where you live you Sodium chloride level may already be in place. After 40 years of growing, breeding and selling Goldfish it is better to keep the salt on your dinner table for French fries and corn on the cob and keep it out of your pond. It is not needed in your pond if you take care of your water. HTH and have a good day. If you have any other questions you can write to me privately if you want to get more information. I don't do this for a living, but it certainly more than a hobby done for fun. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------- "REBEL JOE" wrote in message ... OK now I'm confussed. I started useing salt because most here said it was best. Now some say not to真真 Should I or Not??真 So far my fish are doing fine. Should I keep it up or not. http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND |
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