I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?

All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above. If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gunnar" wrote in message
news:bVwYb.336$f23.52@lakeread02...
I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone
have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?

I understand this so another ideas on how to ship or who to talk to at
petstores if I don't figure a way 70 good fish will be disposed of.
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:WzyYb.208748$U%5.1167365@attbi_s03...
All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above.
If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag
and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gunnar" wrote in message
news:bVwYb.336$f23.52@lakeread02...
I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone
have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get
bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?

You may want to email hculpepper at bellsouth dot net. He is the contact
for the local koi club in the Orlando area.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gunnar" wrote in message
newsHyYb.359$f23.186@lakeread02...
I understand this so another ideas on how to ship or who to talk to at
petstores if I don't figure a way 70 good fish will be disposed of.
"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:WzyYb.208748$U%5.1167365@attbi_s03...
All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you
can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration
of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will
not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above.
If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag
and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually
diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia
in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel
or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gunnar" wrote in message
news:bVwYb.336$f23.52@lakeread02...
I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone
have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store
and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get
bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?

call Jo Ann and she will tell you how to send fish. 1-251-649-4790
INgrid

"Gunnar" wrote:

I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are using
oxygen putting out CO2 which dissolves in the water and that drives pH down so
ammonia is less toxic. open the bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and
ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be moved out.
the pH difference is not what happens in the bag, but from where the fish came to and
where the fish is going to be.
after a trip of 12 hours, fish require a salt dip to replenish electrolytes.
INgrid

"RichToyBox" wrote:
All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above. If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are using
oxygen putting out CO2 which dissolves in the water and that drives pH down so
ammonia is less toxic. open the bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and
ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be moved out.
the pH difference is not what happens in the bag, but from where the fish came to and
where the fish is going to be.
after a trip of 12 hours, fish require a salt dip to replenish electrolytes.
INgrid

"RichToyBox" wrote:
All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above. If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are using
oxygen putting out CO2 which dissolves in the water and that drives pH down so
ammonia is less toxic. open the bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and
ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be moved out.
the pH difference is not what happens in the bag, but from where the fish came to and
where the fish is going to be.
after a trip of 12 hours, fish require a salt dip to replenish electrolytes.
INgrid

"RichToyBox" wrote:
All fish shipments should be made with oxygen over the water, but you can
get by with short 30 minute or so trips with air only. The respiration of
the fish generates CO2 and uses O2. With plenty of O2, the fish will not
suffocate, and some of the CO2 will be displaced to the O2 layer above. If
the CO2 builds up, the pH falls due to the production of carbonic acid.
Though the fish may survive the trip, the pH difference between the bag and
the pond will cause severe distress if the water is not gradually diluted
with pond water. Gradual dilution will raise the pH making the ammonia in
the bag very toxic. I prefer to transport fish with oxygen and Amquel or
another ammonia binder/neutralizer.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

I get fish sent to me all the time. You would not believe how many fish they
can cram in a 16" X 8" box. One box holds 100 1.5-2" bluebills.

The hatchery puts the fish in a bag, fills the bag with water, places a
coldpack under the bad to keep it cold and puts it in a Styrofoam cooler and
sends it. I get it the next day and everyone is happy.

By keeping the water cold you lower the metabolism of the fish. That means
less O2 consumption.

Sam

"Gunnar" wrote in message
news:bVwYb.336$f23.52@lakeread02...
I need to have some fish shipped from private pond in Fl. to RI anyone
have
any ideas. Person I am buying them from said she talked to pet store and
they told her had to have oxygen to ship them . Cant they just get bagged
and put in Styrofoam cooler and sent overnight?