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At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! |
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How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?
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Look at this link if it comes through
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...am e=Diseases or go to www.koivetlcom and look for the article titled "Infectious Diseases of Goldfish and Koi " Because of the life cycle of the ich, it must leave the fish to divide and it can only be killed while away from the fish. Since different infections will dislodge from the fish at different times, and due to the length of the life cycle, I think salt is the only cure. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Judi9000" wrote in message ... At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! |
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Look at this link if it comes through
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...am e=Diseases or go to www.koivetlcom and look for the article titled "Infectious Diseases of Goldfish and Koi " Because of the life cycle of the ich, it must leave the fish to divide and it can only be killed while away from the fish. Since different infections will dislodge from the fish at different times, and due to the length of the life cycle, I think salt is the only cure. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Judi9000" wrote in message ... At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! |
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here's the nuts and bolts of Salting Ich..
1. Remove valued live plants. 2. Raise temperature to 80 degrees, tops. 3. Increase aeration! 4. Add one teaspoon of salt per gallon. 5. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon. 6. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon. 7. Within 48-60 hours of the second salt dose at 80 degrees, the Ich will be gone. 8. Leave salt in the water for another 3-5 days unless you're worried about your live plants. 9. Remove salt via partial waterchanges. (30-40% at a time if desired). Look at this link if it comes through http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...ticle_id=94&ca tegory=17&name=Diseases Thank you! This helped a bunch! |
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"Steve J. Noll" wrote in message ... On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: How do I test the salt levels in my ponds? Aquarium Pharmeceuticals Pond Care Salt Level Test Kit #163. Sells online for $5 to $6. I'd also suggest checking out Pet Smart's Pond Aisle. I bought a test kit that covers all of the important numbers including salinity for about $35.00, if I remember correctly. The OP, may want to get a complete kit while (s)he's at it. BV. www.iheartmypond.com |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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Judi,
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan |
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on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but
the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but
the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson! ~ jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but
it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older koi look ok. I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich? This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas and advice form you all! Thanks, Judi wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan From: on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi |
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Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but
it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older koi look ok. I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich? This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas and advice form you all! Thanks, Judi wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan From: on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi |
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RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters,
so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish. The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and monitor ammonia and nitrites. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Judi9000" wrote in message ... Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older koi look ok. I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich? This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas and advice form you all! Thanks, Judi wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan From: on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi |
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RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters,
so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish. The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and monitor ammonia and nitrites. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Judi9000" wrote in message ... Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older koi look ok. I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich? This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas and advice form you all! Thanks, Judi wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan From: on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi |
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RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters,
so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish. The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and monitor ammonia and nitrites. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Judi9000" wrote in message ... Maybe the koi are tougher than the GF? It's the GF that showed signs of ich but it was after the purchase of the koi from the feeder tank. The new and older koi look ok. I've been using Rid Ich along with salt. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? I moved all the fish to my smaller pond so I would use less of the Rid Ich? This is all really frustrating! I do appreciate all of the different ideas and advice form you all! Thanks, Judi wrote: Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you. If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan From: on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF. what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid wrote: At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich! Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer? Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help. Judi |
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RidIck is a mixture of formalin and malachite green. It will kill filters, so care must be exercised to remove filtration during treatment or turn off filters. It is also heavier than water, so without some form of mixing, it will create high concentrations at the bottom that can kill fish. Formalin should not be left in the pond, but concentration reduced at about 2 hours after dosing, by doing a 50% water change. Salt is non-toxic to the filters, at least in the dosages that you would use to treat fish. The filter media in the large pond will survive for a few days on the waste that is already in the pond, but may slow down due to a lack of supply of food. As soon as treatments have concluded, move some of the fish back, and monitor ammonia and nitrites. -- RichToyBox |
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I've been using Rid Ich along with salt.
It's probably too late now but will Rid Ich kill the bio filter? What about salt? Rich answer the Rid Ich question. Salt, added slowly will not hurt the filter. I don't have the test kit or a thermometer yet so I don't know exactly how much salt is in there or the temperature. Will the bio thingys stay alive in the bigger pond that now has no fish? The bacteria on the filter (bio thingy) is dependent on the fish waste to feed it, it will be there in a small quantity or even in sleeper mode some say, but it won't be up to par to handle your fish waste right away, when you return them to the pond. This is all really frustrating! It is really frustrating to those of us who tell people to get the equipment to monitor their water quality and instead of doing that, get sucked in by sales clerks, with no professional training, to buy medicines when they don't even know what they're medicating for, if it will work or cause more harm. Please, Judi, if you do nothing else, PLEASE go buy the test kits, run the tests and report the numbers here. At that time we can REALLY help. If you're amazed now, you'll be knocked off your feet at that time. :o) Minimum test kits to purchased a Ammonia, Nitrite, pH & Kh, and get a thermometer. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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Hi Jan.
I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59. I looked for the salt test kit at 3 different pet stores but couldn't find one anywhere. I usually take water samples to the pet store and they check it for ph, etc. Whenever the water has been tested the results are fine. They use the test strips. Once when the fish were in an aquarium inside the house the ammonia was high but other than that it's been fine. I do really want and need something to test the salt. Since I've been doing water changes everyday I have no idea how much salt is in there. As for the bio thingy (filter), I'm going to put some fish back in the bigger pond tommorow. The little pond will just have to start over. Or I'll move some of the little bio balls into the smaller ponds filter when I'm finished medicating. Please, Judi, if you do nothing else, PLEASE go buy the test kits, run the tests and report the numbers here. At that time we can REALLY help. If you're amazed now, you'll be knocked off your feet at that time. :o) Minimum test kits to purchased a Ammonia, Nitrite, pH & Kh, and get a thermometer. ~ jan |
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Test strips are not very reliable. Check www.thatfishplace.com look under
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals for test kits. They have a salt test kit under $10, plus all the rest I mentioned, under $5. I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59. If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan ~ jan |
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Test strips are not very reliable. Check www.thatfishplace.com look under
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals for test kits. They have a salt test kit under $10, plus all the rest I mentioned, under $5. I got the thermometer yesterday. The temperature has been between 52 and 59. If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan ~ jan |
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My fish stay out year round except for once when I was treating for ich. This
time I'm not moving them in. Just moved them from a larger pond to a smaller one. Thanks for the input. Will look on that site for the salt kit . If your fish are inside, I wouldn't be putting them outside till the water temp is up in the 70's, not when you're concerned about Ich. ~ jan ~ jan |
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