At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

Look at this link if it comes through
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...am e=Diseases
or go to www.koivetlcom and look for the article titled "Infectious Diseases
of Goldfish and Koi "
Because of the life cycle of the ich, it must leave the fish to divide and
it can only be killed while away from the fish. Since different infections
will dislodge from the fish at different times, and due to the length of the
life cycle, I think salt is the only cure.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html



"Judi9000" wrote in message
...
At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks
at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.).
I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the
parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of
ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt
and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt?
Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's
warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your
help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it
doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

Look at this link if it comes through
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...am e=Diseases
or go to www.koivetlcom and look for the article titled "Infectious Diseases
of Goldfish and Koi "
Because of the life cycle of the ich, it must leave the fish to divide and
it can only be killed while away from the fish. Since different infections
will dislodge from the fish at different times, and due to the length of the
life cycle, I think salt is the only cure.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html



"Judi9000" wrote in message
...
At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks
at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.).
I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the
parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of
ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt
and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt?
Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's
warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your
help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it
doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

here's the nuts and bolts of Salting Ich..
1. Remove valued live plants.
2. Raise temperature to 80 degrees, tops.
3. Increase aeration!
4. Add one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
5. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
6. Twelve hours later, add another one teaspoon of salt per gallon.
7. Within 48-60 hours of the second salt dose at 80 degrees, the Ich
will be gone.
8. Leave salt in the water for another 3-5 days unless you're worried
about your live plants.
9. Remove salt via partial waterchanges. (30-40% at a time if desired).

Look at this link if it comes through

http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...ticle_id=94&ca
tegory=17&name=Diseases

Thank you! This helped a bunch!

http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disea...byname.htm#ich
dont use formalin or quick cure in cold temps. dont combine formalin and salt and
heat, is very toxic to deadly for fish. If you can bring the temp up, then use QC
for 3 days with water changes that will do it.
Ingrid

(Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

"Steve J. Noll" wrote in message
...
On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

Aquarium Pharmeceuticals Pond Care Salt Level Test Kit #163.
Sells online for $5 to $6.

I'd also suggest checking out Pet Smart's Pond Aisle. I bought a test kit
that covers all of the important numbers including salinity for about
$35.00, if I remember correctly. The OP, may want to get a complete kit
while (s)he's at it.

BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

On 20 Feb 2004 05:41:16 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

How do I test the salt levels in my ponds?

Aquarium Pharmeceuticals Pond Care Salt Level Test Kit #163.
Sells online for $5 to $6.


Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

Judi,

Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan

on koi it looks like a bad red rash and their fins are clamped. salt may work, but
the only other way to treat this right now unless you can bring em inside. PP can
work on other stuff outside in the pond. I see some oodinium on my koi, but it
disappears quickly when the temp got up to 55oF.
what is the temp of your pond water? ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
Ich doesn't present on koi like goldfish usually. On goldfish it will look
like grains of salt, but koi don't aways show this. If the white spots are
bigger than a grain, you've got something else going on. The safest thing
you can treat with is salt, regardless, get it up to 0.3%. You need to be
watching your water chemistry. I highly suggest you use that gift
certificate on test kits as others have suggested. I know we've already
covered how to add & use the salt in other threads for you.

If indeed you need other medications, there are better ones out there that
don't kill the bio-filter, that PetsMart doesn't carry. ~ jan

On 20 Feb 2004 05:38:14 GMT, (Judi9000) wrote:

At the end of last summer I bought some baby koi out of the feeder tanks at Pet
Smart. Along with the koi came lots of parasites(ich, anchor worms, etc.). I
brought the fish inside for about 3 wks. until it looked like the parasites
were gone. They were fine all winter until last week when the temperatures
rose. (I'm in Bakersfield, CA). Anyway, there are already new signs of ich!
Since I've been reading posts on this site regarding salt, the use of salt and
parasites, I'm not really sure what to do now. Do I use meds with salt? Will
salt really kill ich? Should I start treating now or wait until it's warmer?
Should I net the fish with spots and give them salt dips? Thanks for your help.
Judi

FYI-When I told the manager at Pet Smart what happened she GAVE me over a
hundred dollars in medication, loaned me a hundred gal tank, and gave me a
hundred dollar gift card to replace the dead guys! I'm sure now that it doesn't
hurt to ask. I've also learned a hard lesson!

~ jan



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.