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Do you know the percent of water change?
I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and
after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl!
Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message s.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Glad you liked it. I do wonder how many folks this went "Zoom" over their
heads or felt like, Ponds, Math, Huh? ;o) VBEG ~ jan jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl! Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ws.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Would the water's ambient salt level make any difference? IOW, if the
ambient level is .02, it would need to be subtracted from the .11, leaving ..09. Therefore, 13-9 = 4/13 = ~31. A 31% water change would have been closer to what you "thought" it was, instead of 15%. Or am I full of "it" again? Math was never my forte. I don't know if it would make a difference or not. Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message s.com... Glad you liked it. I do wonder how many folks this went "Zoom" over their heads or felt like, Ponds, Math, Huh? ;o) VBEG ~ jan jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl! Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ws.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Jan,
If you do not mind I would like to add this concept to the HTH page on water changes. Maybe start a pond specific section. Howard ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Glad you liked it. I do wonder how many folks this went "Zoom" over their heads or felt like, Ponds, Math, Huh? ;o) VBEG ~ jan jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl! Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ews.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Don't mind at all. :o) ~ jan
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:29:44 -0600, HTH wrote: Jan, If you do not mind I would like to add this concept to the HTH page on water changes. Maybe start a pond specific section. Howard ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Glad you liked it. I do wonder how many folks this went "Zoom" over their heads or felt like, Ponds, Math, Huh? ;o) VBEG ~ jan jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl! Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message news.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
I suppose if the water you're adding in has some salt in it, you may very
well have to take that into account. Good catch, Lee. No detectable ambient level here, thank goodness, because..... The math though is throwing me, but I think you're right, take the .02 away from the after-the-change number, if you don't it wouldn't look like you took any water at all, would it? Now I'm starting to hear "Zooms" around my head. ;o) ~ jan On 2 Jun 2004 07:45:09 -0500, "Lee B." wrote: Would the water's ambient salt level make any difference? IOW, if the ambient level is .02, it would need to be subtracted from the .11, leaving .09. Therefore, 13-9 = 4/13 = ~31. A 31% water change would have been closer to what you "thought" it was, instead of 15%. Or am I full of "it" again? Math was never my forte. I don't know if it would make a difference or not. Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ws.com... Glad you liked it. I do wonder how many folks this went "Zoom" over their heads or felt like, Ponds, Math, Huh? ;o) VBEG ~ jan jan, the "divided by 13" comes from your beginning figure of .13? Kewl! Lee "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ws.com... I did a water change today and thought I'd do a salt check before and after. Before the change I had a salt level of .13%, after I had .11%. Bascially doing a little more than a 15% water change out. (13 - 11 = 2, 2 divided by 13 equals .154 or 15.4%) Surprised me. Here I though I was doing between 20-25%. So for those of us who don't have perfectly straight walled, flat bottom ponds who could calculate their water change % in feet (or inches) i.e., 4 ft of pond, drain down 1' equals a 25% change out. Here is another way to use your salt test measurements. ;o) ~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH
etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
Do you know the percent of water change?
wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE I think you are right with one caveat...I pond in the same manner, build it and let it take care of itself, but when I built, I over built my filter. I think if you have a large body of water, properly filtered, it is much more forgiving then an overstocked, smaller pond. BV. |
Do you know the percent of water change?
I agree....{:O) MIKE
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ...that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE I think you are right with one caveat...I pond in the same manner, build it and let it take care of itself, but when I built, I over built my filter. I think if you have a large body of water, properly filtered, it is much more forgiving then an overstocked, smaller pond. BV. |
Do you know the percent of water change?
One of the things that I've learned on my journey to proper koi keeping is
that conditions vary *wildly* from place to place within the U.S., let alone the rest of the world. Your recommendation - which obviously works well for you in your part of the world - would be condemning my fish (in MY part of the world) to certain death in very short order. Kick back, relax and thank your deity of choice for living in such a fortunate location. Lee wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Yes...they do vary *wildly* but koi are very adaptable fish. They can adapt
to almost any environment. Lets say you adapt you koi to a certain water quality..that you feel they do best in. PH ,water hardness, a pristine level...then they become accustomed to that water quality. So every time it rains, or you do a water change aren't they more sensitive to disease and stress because they are "spoiled", used to one specific water quality??? I'm not arguing your point...just curious?? thanks Mike "Lee B." wrote in message ... One of the things that I've learned on my journey to proper koi keeping is that conditions vary *wildly* from place to place within the U.S., let alone the rest of the world. Your recommendation - which obviously works well for you in your part of the world - would be condemning my fish (in MY part of the world) to certain death in very short order. Kick back, relax and thank your deity of choice for living in such a fortunate location. Lee wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ...that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
Do you know the percent of water change?
Koi can adapt to almost any water parameters, but they do not adapt quickly.
Temperature changes over very short times can be stressful. pH changes over short intervals are stressful. When stress enters the picture, disease enters the picture, and fish start dying if they are not properly medicated, quarantined in pristine water, and allowed to ease the stress. A large farm pond or lake does not change rapidly and the fish fair well with little or no human intervention. The smaller the yard pond the more rapidly the temperature, pH, and overall water quality change. That is the best reason for building the largest pond possible. Even the largest koi pond that I have visited, about 17000 gallons needs some monitoring. Yard ponds also suffer from over population. The first year, a bunch of little fish, and it looks empty, so get a bunch more, and it is a big pond with a bunch of little fish and all is well. The next year, the little fish, if koi, are a foot to a foot and half long, and the pond still looks like it could stand a few more fish, and I just saw the cutest fish that I just had to have. By the fourth or fifth year, the fish can hardly turn around without bumping into each other, because they are now over 2 feet long and 5 or 6 inches in diameter. They are all my friends and I can't part with any of them. Oxygen becomes a problem, filtration becomes a problem, pollution becomes a problem. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html wrote in message ... Yes...they do vary *wildly* but koi are very adaptable fish. They can adapt to almost any environment. Lets say you adapt you koi to a certain water quality..that you feel they do best in. PH ,water hardness, a pristine level...then they become accustomed to that water quality. So every time it rains, or you do a water change aren't they more sensitive to disease and stress because they are "spoiled", used to one specific water quality??? I'm not arguing your point...just curious?? thanks Mike "Lee B." wrote in message ... One of the things that I've learned on my journey to proper koi keeping is that conditions vary *wildly* from place to place within the U.S., let alone the rest of the world. Your recommendation - which obviously works well for you in your part of the world - would be condemning my fish (in MY part of the world) to certain death in very short order. Kick back, relax and thank your deity of choice for living in such a fortunate location. Lee wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
Do you know the percent of water change?
RTB gave a pretty good synopsis of the situation.
I pretty much have the "standard" of koi keeping: too many fish in too few gallons. I'm working on that. When I started this hobby, no one told me that once you get past killing them with ignorance, they GROW. and BREED. One good spawning session can *trash* your water quality for days. In a lake or river (their "natural" environment) there is a constant source of fresh water, with new nutrients washing in and bad stuff washing out. In captivity, they are kept in what is tantamount to a cess pool - and it's up to us, their "captors" to treat them humanely, which includes washing out the bad and reintroducing the new. There are "ideals" that should be strived for; there are "compromises" that can work. A dog *can* live at the end of a chain, tied to a tree and thrown scraps, but that's not exactly "life". My fish are pets - with all that word conjures up; they are my responsibility, and I *will* see that they are properly tended to to the extent of my ability. Does that make them "spoiled"? Maybe - but it keeps them healthy, too. Lee wrote in message ... Yes...they do vary *wildly* but koi are very adaptable fish. They can adapt to almost any environment. Lets say you adapt you koi to a certain water quality..that you feel they do best in. PH ,water hardness, a pristine level...then they become accustomed to that water quality. So every time it rains, or you do a water change aren't they more sensitive to disease and stress because they are "spoiled", used to one specific water quality??? I'm not arguing your point...just curious?? thanks Mike "Lee B." wrote in message ... One of the things that I've learned on my journey to proper koi keeping is that conditions vary *wildly* from place to place within the U.S., let alone the rest of the world. Your recommendation - which obviously works well for you in your part of the world - would be condemning my fish (in MY part of the world) to certain death in very short order. Kick back, relax and thank your deity of choice for living in such a fortunate location. Lee wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
Do you know the percent of water change?
I can always tell when my koi are spawning because of a pronounced "fishy"
smell coming from the water. I have walked up to my pond and caught a wiff of that "smell" and sure enough I have seen the fish spawning. Anyone ever notice that??? Mike "Lee B." wrote in message ... RTB gave a pretty good synopsis of the situation. I pretty much have the "standard" of koi keeping: too many fish in too few gallons. I'm working on that. When I started this hobby, no one told me that once you get past killing them with ignorance, they GROW. and BREED. One good spawning session can *trash* your water quality for days. In a lake or river (their "natural" environment) there is a constant source of fresh water, with new nutrients washing in and bad stuff washing out. In captivity, they are kept in what is tantamount to a cess pool - and it's up to us, their "captors" to treat them humanely, which includes washing out the bad and reintroducing the new. There are "ideals" that should be strived for; there are "compromises" that can work. A dog *can* live at the end of a chain, tied to a tree and thrown scraps, but that's not exactly "life". My fish are pets - with all that word conjures up; they are my responsibility, and I *will* see that they are properly tended to to the extent of my ability. Does that make them "spoiled"? Maybe - but it keeps them healthy, too. Lee wrote in message ... Yes...they do vary *wildly* but koi are very adaptable fish. They can adapt to almost any environment. Lets say you adapt you koi to a certain water quality..that you feel they do best in. PH ,water hardness, a pristine level...then they become accustomed to that water quality. So every time it rains, or you do a water change aren't they more sensitive to disease and stress because they are "spoiled", used to one specific water quality??? I'm not arguing your point...just curious?? thanks Mike "Lee B." wrote in message ... One of the things that I've learned on my journey to proper koi keeping is that conditions vary *wildly* from place to place within the U.S., let alone the rest of the world. Your recommendation - which obviously works well for you in your part of the world - would be condemning my fish (in MY part of the world) to certain death in very short order. Kick back, relax and thank your deity of choice for living in such a fortunate location. Lee wrote in message ... Eyeball it..LOL Nothing scientific about it. I have never checked water PH etc in over 10 years. It is an outdoor pond . Its conditions are dependent on how much rain or lack of rain we get. If we get plenty of rain ..that in itself changes the water in the pond. If it is a dry spell in the Summer I might do a 1/3 water change every other week. I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to keep the water conditions at a perfect level. My 10 year old Koi are proof that you don't have to go overboard and make allot of work for yourself with keeping a healthy pond. It is much better to have fish that are adaptable to varying conditions, outdoor koi and goldfish are those types of creatures. Very adaptable. IMHO and experience. MIKE |
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