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Kristen wrote
I totally agree with your post! Crash wrote Which one? figaro, Ka30P, or groovy? Three posters with contrasting views? That is what trimming is all about. For the record ;-) Ka30p only posted the story and didn't offer an opinion so I was a bit confused at first too. That said I do love a good piece of salmon! Goldfish, on the other hand... kathy :-) 3000 gallon pond 800 gallon frog bog home of the watergardening labradors zone 7 SE WA state |
Kristen wrote
I totally agree with your post! Crash wrote Which one? figaro, Ka30P, or groovy? Three posters with contrasting views? That is what trimming is all about. For the record ;-) Ka30p only posted the story and didn't offer an opinion so I was a bit confused at first too. That said I do love a good piece of salmon! Goldfish, on the other hand... kathy :-) 3000 gallon pond 800 gallon frog bog home of the watergardening labradors zone 7 SE WA state |
Ka30P wrote:
For the record ;-) Ka30p only posted the story and didn't offer an opinion so I was a bit confused at first too. That said I do love a good piece of salmon! Goldfish, on the other hand... Considering yesterday I had tuna for lunch and salmon for dinner - can you guess where I stand? I do promise never to eat fish from my pond ;-) -- Bonnie NJ |
Me too. They're much cheaper than pond fish...
Bonnie wrote: Considering yesterday I had tuna for lunch and salmon for dinner - can you guess where I stand? I do promise never to eat fish from my pond ;-) -- Bonnie NJ |
derek wrote: PETA doesn't believe in pets. They call it a
form of slavery. Considering the amount of care and feeding and beck and calling I do around here, I think it's probably the other way around. kathy :-) Excellent comeback to PETA's mission. Other than the enjoyment of watching them swim around, my fish do no work, heck, they don't even have to swim around, and most couldn't live "in the wild", it would be cruelty to let them be "free". I've always wondered, is it better to live 12-18 months (think steers) or never to have lived at all? ~ jan Bummer snicker: Save a Cow eat a Peta Supporter. ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Excellent comeback to PETA's mission. Other than the enjoyment of watching them swim around, my fish do no work, heck, they don't even have to swim around, and most couldn't live "in the wild", it would be cruelty to let them be "free". I've always wondered, is it better to live 12-18 months (think steers) or never to have lived at all? ~ jan The reality is modern farm animals have been selectively bred to be as dumb, docile and as large as possible over the past few thousand years. Compare the size of frozen turkeys found in grocery stores. Modern factory turkeys are these large dumb birds, that are too big to survive on their own, in their historical natural environment. If you could somehow travel in time to 1400 CE and release a flock of factory turkeys in north america, the whole flock probably would become a great feast to the first pack of wolves it runs into. Can a factory turkey even fly? Same holds true for cattle, chickens and sheep. Even 100 years ago, a cow had to have enough intelligence to survive living on the plains alone or with the herd for a few months at a time. These days intelligent cattle panic when they're hoisted onto the conveyor, and release all kinds of hormones into the bloodstream which ruins the flavor of the meat. Sheep are reputed to be dumb enough that an entire flock will follow the leader off of a cliff. My favorite is PETA's stance on pets such as dogs and cats. Mother nature has decided the ideal size for a member of the Canidae family is in the range of a fox, wolf, coyote, dingo, african wild dog, hyena. This means things like the toy group, small terriers, etc wouldn't survive. Same goes for cats, a lot of fancy breeds just wouldn't survive for long. Snooze |
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... Excellent comeback to PETA's mission. Other than the enjoyment of watching them swim around, my fish do no work, heck, they don't even have to swim around, and most couldn't live "in the wild", it would be cruelty to let them be "free". I've always wondered, is it better to live 12-18 months (think steers) or never to have lived at all? ~ jan The reality is modern farm animals have been selectively bred to be as dumb, docile and as large as possible over the past few thousand years. Compare the size of frozen turkeys found in grocery stores. Modern factory turkeys are these large dumb birds, that are too big to survive on their own, in their historical natural environment. If you could somehow travel in time to 1400 CE and release a flock of factory turkeys in north america, the whole flock probably would become a great feast to the first pack of wolves it runs into. Can a factory turkey even fly? Same holds true for cattle, chickens and sheep. Even 100 years ago, a cow had to have enough intelligence to survive living on the plains alone or with the herd for a few months at a time. These days intelligent cattle panic when they're hoisted onto the conveyor, and release all kinds of hormones into the bloodstream which ruins the flavor of the meat. Sheep are reputed to be dumb enough that an entire flock will follow the leader off of a cliff. My favorite is PETA's stance on pets such as dogs and cats. Mother nature has decided the ideal size for a member of the Canidae family is in the range of a fox, wolf, coyote, dingo, african wild dog, hyena. This means things like the toy group, small terriers, etc wouldn't survive. Same goes for cats, a lot of fancy breeds just wouldn't survive for long. Snooze |
"Snooze" wrote in message om... necessary snippage for bottom posting Same holds true for cattle, chickens and sheep. Even 100 years ago, a cow had to have enough intelligence to survive living on the plains alone or with the herd for a few months at a time. I have always read that the reason herd animals live in herds is that they would die on their own, especially out in the wild. Sheep are reputed to be dumb enough that an entire flock will follow the leader off of a cliff. My kids learned in jr. high history that buffalo would do that, and that was one of the ways they were hunted before they had the horses that were brought over by the French. My own history book had a print of an old painting that showed native hunters with buffalo hides on their backs crouched beside a cliff that the buffalo were running over. |
Ann in Houston wrote:
"Snooze" wrote in message om... Same holds true for cattle, chickens and sheep. Even 100 years ago, a cow had to have enough intelligence to survive living on the plains alone or with the herd for a few months at a time. I have always read that the reason herd animals live in herds is that they would die on their own, especially out in the wild. There are herd animals and herd animals. Horses (and zebras - not sure about Asses) do _very_ poorly on their own. Cattle (especially horned varieties) tend to be quite capable of living alone. Deer (other than Reindeer/Caribou), though they will gather in groups (especially in winter, which is at least in part a defence against wolf packs), tend to pretty small herds. On the British moors, even sheep don't seem very herd-like (of course, they've got no predators, either). -- derek |
From: "Snooze" Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:17:26 GMT Subject: Fish as pets The reality is modern farm animals have been selectively bred to be as dumb, docile and as large as possible over the past few thousand years. Compare the size of frozen turkeys found in grocery stores. Modern factory turkeys are these large dumb birds, that are too big to survive on their own, in their historical natural environment. If you could somehow travel in time to 1400 CE and release a flock of factory turkeys in north america, the whole flock probably would become a great feast to the first pack of wolves it runs into. Can a factory turkey even fly? Same holds true for cattle, chickens and sheep. Even 100 years ago, a cow had to have enough intelligence to survive living on the plains alone or with the herd for a few months at a time. These days intelligent cattle panic when they're hoisted onto the conveyor, and release all kinds of hormones into the bloodstream which ruins the flavor of the meat. Sheep are reputed to be dumb enough that an entire flock will follow the leader off of a cliff. My favorite is PETA's stance on pets such as dogs and cats. Mother nature has decided the ideal size for a member of the Canidae family is in the range of a fox, wolf, coyote, dingo, african wild dog, hyena. This means things like the toy group, small terriers, etc wouldn't survive. Same goes for cats, a lot of fancy breeds just wouldn't survive for long. Snooze I don't think PETA would disagree with any of this. I think their main point would be that raising animals as food or breeding animals for certain traits to suit our human tastes is disrespectful to the animal and to life itself. Although I detest the way PETA conducts itself, they don't hold the patent on promoting respect for animals. Many of us who are not terrorist, nutcases cringe at the response by some that just because an animal is dumb or weak that its life is therefore meaningless unless it provides some use for humans. We have not only treated animals like this but we have also treated other humans like this. We eventually realized that this was wrong. It is not such a huge leap to equate animal suffering to human slavery. |
On or about Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:06:15 GMT, "Ann in Houston"
wrote something like: "Snooze" wrote in message . com... Sheep are reputed to be dumb enough that an entire flock will follow the leader off of a cliff. My kids learned in jr. high history that buffalo would do that, and that was one of the ways they were hunted before they had the horses that were brought over by the French. Bison. Spanish. But your point is taken and the bones are there to prove it. BTW, have you seen some of the newer studies that say the migration route onto the NA/SA continent was from the East, not the land bridge across Canada? -- Crashj |
Crashj wrote:
BTW, have you seen some of the newer studies that say the migration route onto the NA/SA continent was from the East, not the land bridge across Canada? The emerging trend in human colonization of the American continents is that there was more than one migration. There is evidence of a negroid population at the tip of South America, perhaps from the same group that colonized Australia (as at least one fossil forensics reconstruction yielded an aborginal looking face). Most likely they would have arrived by sea and supposedly there are cave paintings of boats that could be sea-capable to back that. Some also postulate a European seafaring group (Vikings, Norse, etc) came across from the Atlantic and formed earlier settlements on the eastern seaboard. But from what I've read, the current consensus is that the mongoloid people who are though to have come over the Bering land bridge were the most successful, either wiping out or intermixing with earlier settlements until they were the majority. There's also a researcher claiming to have discovered a 50,000 year old site in eastern USA recently, but it is not yet peer-reviewed or confirmed. Some other researchers discount the theorized evidence of stone tools discovered in that layer to just be random chipping. I believe the researcher postulates that no one has found anything that old due to lack of digging that deep (or so the article seemed to imply). If so and the researcher turns out to be correct, it would be a big reminder to science to not let one's preconceived notions dictate ones research direction (in this case, dig depth). Here's the CNN article on the matter: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science...dig/index.html |
Crashj wrote:
BTW, have you seen some of the newer studies that say the migration route onto the NA/SA continent was from the East, not the land bridge across Canada? The emerging trend in human colonization of the American continents is that there was more than one migration. There is evidence of a negroid population at the tip of South America, perhaps from the same group that colonized Australia (as at least one fossil forensics reconstruction yielded an aborginal looking face). Most likely they would have arrived by sea and supposedly there are cave paintings of boats that could be sea-capable to back that. Some also postulate a European seafaring group (Vikings, Norse, etc) came across from the Atlantic and formed earlier settlements on the eastern seaboard. But from what I've read, the current consensus is that the mongoloid people who are though to have come over the Bering land bridge were the most successful, either wiping out or intermixing with earlier settlements until they were the majority. There's also a researcher claiming to have discovered a 50,000 year old site in eastern USA recently, but it is not yet peer-reviewed or confirmed. Some other researchers discount the theorized evidence of stone tools discovered in that layer to just be random chipping. I believe the researcher postulates that no one has found anything that old due to lack of digging that deep (or so the article seemed to imply). If so and the researcher turns out to be correct, it would be a big reminder to science to not let one's preconceived notions dictate ones research direction (in this case, dig depth). Here's the CNN article on the matter: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science...dig/index.html |
george wrote: "Ka30P" wrote in message ... Sympathy for the guppy: PETA campaign pitches fish as smart and sensitive Tuesday November 16, 2004 By DAVID CRARY AP National Writer NEW YORK (AP) Touting tofu chowder and vegetarian sushi as alternatives, animal-rights activists have launched a novel campaign arguing that fish contrary to stereotype are intelligent, sensitive animals no more deserving of being eaten than a pet dog or cat. Despite the fact that fish oil is just about the best food for the human heart, and there is no substitute. Called the Fish Empathy Project, the campaign reflects a strategy shift by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals as it challenges a diet component widely viewed as nutritious and uncontroversial. ``No one would ever put a hook through a dog's or cat's mouth,'' said Bruce Friedrich, PETA's director of vegan outreach. ``Once people start to understand that fish, although they come in different packaging, are just as intelligent, they'll stop eating them.'' Next, he'll be having elderly ladies brought up on charges of animal cruelty for stepping on ants on sidewalks. The campaign is in its infancy and will face broad skepticism. Major groups such as the American Heart Association recommend fish as part of a healthy diet; some academics say it is wrong to portray the intelligence and pain sensitivity of fish as comparable to mammals. Rest of the article can be found he http://wcco.com/national/FishEmpathy...rces_news_html Brought to you by the same people who fire bombed a research laboratory, jeapardizing the lives of the researchers working there and the firemen who had to put the fire out. Brought to you by the same people who made and distributed an "educational" video on how to make homemade incendiary bombs for use in said firebombings. Watch for them to picket your garden ponds. Ok, now where did I put my cleaning rods and oils???? :-P :-P . Wonder if I need to up the grains or if rock salt will do the trick? |
Crashj wrote:
But your point is taken and the bones are there to prove it. BTW, have you seen some of the newer studies that say the migration route onto the NA/SA continent was from the East, not the land bridge across Canada? Oh, sure. Next thing they'll be saying Thor Heyerdahl was right... -- derek |
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