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goldfish list
Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one
http://list.lovemyoldhome.com/puregold/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
OK Ingrid is pushing her list again, so I will say, Sure what she says is
all true as long as you do not disagree with Ingrid or question Jo Ann. That is one way to get kicked off the list. Tom L.L. ----------------------------------------- wrote in message ... Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one http://list.lovemyoldhome.com/puregold/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
OK Ingrid is pushing her list again, so I will say, Sure what she says is
all true as long as you do not disagree with Ingrid or question Jo Ann. That is one way to get kicked off the list. Tom L.L. ----------------------------------------- wrote in message ... Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one http://list.lovemyoldhome.com/puregold/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
ahhh... the favored anonymous remailing services ....
actually, one person was tossed off the list several times for flaming. he kept sneaking back on using different email addresses and different "persona". Then he made the mistake of accidently posting what he thought was a private email to a friend laying out just how he was planning to sneak back onto Puregold. Believe it or not, but people can politely disagree without getting into fights or calling names. That is what is done on Puregold. Ingrid Anonymous wrote: In article wrote: Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one http://list.lovemyfriendJoann.com/pureshit/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid *** *** *** *** As long as you're the one doing the flaming. Anyone else dare say a word you disagree with, off the go. -=- This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Way to go Ingrid,
Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it was just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. I also remember that the statement was made that the individual thought her pricing of her rebagging it in ziplock bags was alittle excessive, considering she bought it for $7 a pound and resold it for $25 a pound. And all in all you made it souind like was some kind of saint for a 300% marketup. He knew that it was common for LFS owners to mark up 100%, but the market up was a little excessive by even LFS standards. This individual did sneak back on to your precious list and made a mistake in responding to an individual and sent his responce to the list instead of just to the individual, but hey, everyone makes mistakes. What about the 4 other guys that you kicked off your list because you always insisted that they were the original individual you are so scared of. And what about the 17 year old physically challenged individual that you kicked off your list because he refuted what Jo Ann was trying to say, and did it effectively supporting his comments with statements from university professors who said what she was saying was totally fiction. Oh yes, but nothing was ever said about the threat that Jo Ann sent to him about him refuting what she was saying. I guess that is OK though, which is why the father told the boy that he could not stay on the list, and not long after you kicked him off. So much for open descent. What is a shame is that he supported his information from qualified individuals in their field with degrees and years of research expereince and yet, he was canned because he went again what Jo Ann was trying to say. What is really funny is that you seem to enjoy kicking males off the list because you think that they are the orginal individual keeps trying to get on and you find him. What a joke. Tom L.L. --------------------------------------------- wrote in message ... ahhh... the favored anonymous remailing services .... actually, one person was tossed off the list several times for flaming. he kept sneaking back on using different email addresses and different "persona". Then he made the mistake of accidently posting what he thought was a private email to a friend laying out just how he was planning to sneak back onto Puregold. Believe it or not, but people can politely disagree without getting into fights or calling names. That is what is done on Puregold. Ingrid Anonymous wrote: In article wrote: Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one http://list.lovemyfriendJoann.com/pureshit/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid *** *** *** *** As long as you're the one doing the flaming. Anyone else dare say a word you disagree with, off the go. -=- This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
Puregold has a new list in addition to the old one
http://list.lovemyoldhome.com/puregold/ Puregold is a list for people at all levels of fish keeping with special emphasis on helping people new to keeping goldfish. We do talk about ponds and koi. It is a very friendly list, no flaming allowed. Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Way to go Ingrid, Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it was just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. ===================================== Biokyowa is carried in a LFS just outside Nashville and has been for awhile. She also claimed that you couldn't get DIMILIN in local stores either - that was NOT TRUE. I paid her $15 for only enough to treat my 800 gallon pond - about a spoonful in a small baggie. Last year I saw it for sale in a local chain (Superpets) store being freely sold to anyone. Price was $16.99 to treat 1,920 gallons. It was by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I purchased it on sale for $4.24 just-in-case. They had a big sale on pond merchandise that fall. Fortunately I have not needed it. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... Pricelesswa FREE SOFTWARE http://www.pricelessware.org http://www.pricelesswarehome.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Way to go Ingrid, ======================= GoldenRool is Windsong - me! :-) -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... Pricelesswa http://www.pricelessware.org http://www.pricelesswarehome.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Carol,
What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers for a long time. And it you really desparate you could have bought the Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. Tom L.L. ---------------------------------------------------- "GoldenRool" wrote in message ... "Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Way to go Ingrid, Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it was just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. ===================================== Biokyowa is carried in a LFS just outside Nashville and has been for awhile. She also claimed that you couldn't get DIMILIN in local stores either - that was NOT TRUE. I paid her $15 for only enough to treat my 800 gallon pond - about a spoonful in a small baggie. Last year I saw it for sale in a local chain (Superpets) store being freely sold to anyone. Price was $16.99 to treat 1,920 gallons. It was by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I purchased it on sale for $4.24 just-in-case. They had a big sale on pond merchandise that fall. Fortunately I have not needed it. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... Pricelesswa FREE SOFTWARE http://www.pricelessware.org http://www.pricelesswarehome.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Carol,
What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers for a long time. And it you really desparate you could have bought the Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. Tom L.L. ---------------------------------------------------- "GoldenRool" wrote in message ... "Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Way to go Ingrid, Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it was just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. ===================================== Biokyowa is carried in a LFS just outside Nashville and has been for awhile. She also claimed that you couldn't get DIMILIN in local stores either - that was NOT TRUE. I paid her $15 for only enough to treat my 800 gallon pond - about a spoonful in a small baggie. Last year I saw it for sale in a local chain (Superpets) store being freely sold to anyone. Price was $16.99 to treat 1,920 gallons. It was by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I purchased it on sale for $4.24 just-in-case. They had a big sale on pond merchandise that fall. Fortunately I have not needed it. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... Pricelesswa FREE SOFTWARE http://www.pricelessware.org http://www.pricelesswarehome.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Any item can be had if you take the time to find a source a meet the
requirements, a lot of what folks say is only for professional use is bullshit.........MOPst of the time its merely proving whats its intyended use is and filing out some paperwork.......Those trhat try and capiltolize on making a fast inflated profit at the sake of others in my opinion an asshole, and certainly not a person I would put any faith in. They feel its their own little secret and screw the rest, and try and capitolize on it. On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:15:11 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron" wrote: ===Carol, === ===What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers ===for a long time. And it you really desparate you could have bought the ===Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive ===that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. === ===Tom L.L. ===---------------------------------------------------- ==="GoldenRool" wrote in message ... === === "Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message === ... === Way to go Ingrid, === === Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it === was === just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was === orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information === that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was === not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. === ===================================== === Biokyowa is carried in a LFS just outside Nashville and has been for === awhile. === She also claimed that you couldn't get DIMILIN in local stores either - === that === was NOT TRUE. I paid her $15 for only enough to treat my 800 gallon === pond - === about a spoonful in a small baggie. Last year I saw it for sale in a === local === chain (Superpets) store being freely sold to anyone. Price was $16.99 to === treat 1,920 gallons. It was by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I purchased it === on === sale for $4.24 just-in-case. They had a big sale on pond merchandise that === fall. Fortunately I have not needed it. === -- === Carol.... the frugal ponder... === Pricelesswa FREE SOFTWARE === http://www.pricelessware.org === http://www.pricelesswarehome.org === ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ === === |
Any item can be had if you take the time to find a source a meet the
requirements, a lot of what folks say is only for professional use is bullshit.........MOPst of the time its merely proving whats its intyended use is and filing out some paperwork.......Those trhat try and capiltolize on making a fast inflated profit at the sake of others in my opinion an asshole, and certainly not a person I would put any faith in. They feel its their own little secret and screw the rest, and try and capitolize on it. On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:15:11 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron" wrote: ===Carol, === ===What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers ===for a long time. And it you really desparate you could have bought the ===Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive ===that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. === ===Tom L.L. ===---------------------------------------------------- ==="GoldenRool" wrote in message ... === === "Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message === ... === Way to go Ingrid, === === Using terminology incorrectly. You call it flaming when in this case it === was === just informing others of the truth. As I remember it the individual was === orginally kicked off the list because he pointed out that the information === that Jo Ann was telling everyone that only dealers could buy Biokyowa was === not true and that any one who wanted to could buy it. === ===================================== === Biokyowa is carried in a LFS just outside Nashville and has been for === awhile. === She also claimed that you couldn't get DIMILIN in local stores either - === that === was NOT TRUE. I paid her $15 for only enough to treat my 800 gallon === pond - === about a spoonful in a small baggie. Last year I saw it for sale in a === local === chain (Superpets) store being freely sold to anyone. Price was $16.99 to === treat 1,920 gallons. It was by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I purchased it === on === sale for $4.24 just-in-case. They had a big sale on pond merchandise that === fall. Fortunately I have not needed it. === -- === Carol.... the frugal ponder... === Pricelesswa FREE SOFTWARE === http://www.pricelessware.org === http://www.pricelesswarehome.org === ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ === === |
"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Carol, What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers for a long time. $$ But that's not what I was told. I found the TRUTH out later.... It was the DISHONESTY that ticked me off, not the price. And it you really desparate you could have bought the Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. $$ We live and learn, Tom. We live and learn. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Happiness is merely the remission of pain." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Carol, What is interesting is that it was available through Farm and Home suppliers for a long time. $$ But that's not what I was told. I found the TRUTH out later.... It was the DISHONESTY that ticked me off, not the price. And it you really desparate you could have bought the Dimilin that was used for Dogs at pet shops. It was a little more expensive that way, but if you needed it was a way of purchasing it. $$ We live and learn, Tom. We live and learn. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Happiness is merely the remission of pain." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... Any item can be had if you take the time to find a source a meet the requirements, a lot of what folks say is only for professional use is bullshit......... ## And I was bullshitted to the MAX! MOPst of the time its merely proving whats its intyended use is and filing out some paperwork....... ## True, and with Dimilin I didn't even have to do that. It's right on the FS shelves. Those trhat try and capiltolize on making a fast inflated profit at the sake of others in my opinion an asshole, ## Well, she's not in business anymore I see........ :-) and certainly not a person I would put any faith in. They feel its their own little secret and screw the rest, and try and capitolize on it. ## You got that right. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "All things being equal, fat people use more soap." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Dimilin affects nearly all creatures with chitin exoskeleton. It has an unusually
persistent activity for at least a month. It is also potent in that extremely small amounts were all that was needed to eradicate targeted species. A couple years ago dimilin was tightly controlled, as I understand it, to prevent dimilin from being dumped into streams, rivers and lakes which would kill off important parts of the food chain. http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles...ubenzuron.html "4. SUMMARY OF REGULATORY POSITION AND RATIONALE - The Agency has determined that it should continue to allow the registration of diflubenzuron. However, because of gaps in the data base, additional data are required as specified in the tables. Additional tolerances and label changes will be considered as applications are submitted. - Because of toxicity to crab, shrimp, and other aquatic invertebrate animals, diflubenzuron is classified as a restricted pesticide for use on forests and field crops. Cautionary statements are required on the label warning of hazards to aquatic invertebrates. - The only geographic limitation for use of products containing diflubenzuron is for control of mosquitoes in temporarily flooded areas of pastures in central California. The primary concern with these mosquitoes breeding in wastewater from irrigation projects is their potential for carrying diseases affecting humans." At some point whoever decides these things decided to allow manufacturers to use dimilin in pond treatments. The first commercially available product for ponders that we knew had dimilin (and we immediately advised people at the time) was Anchors Away when they changed their formula from whatever to dimilin (but by the generic name). Now there are others offering products and the price is coming down. "For years, pondkeepers have known the benefits of Dimilin in solving their Anchor Worm Fish Lice problems, but until now Dimilin hasn't legally have been available for this use. Now Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, under an exclusive licensing agreement with The Crompton Corporation, (the manufacturers & owners of Dimilin) is excited to bring Dimilin to the pond market in an easy to use liquid form. No longer will fish owners have to use unregistered and illegal forms of diflubenzuron in questionable strength." http://www.pondliner.com/Dimilin.htm Ingrid ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
wrote in message ... Dimilin affects nearly all creatures with chitin exoskeleton. It has an unusually persistent activity for at least a month. It is also potent in that extremely small amounts were all that was needed to eradicate targeted species. A couple years ago dimilin was tightly controlled, as I understand it, ## You understood it wrong. It was freely available here and other places. Many of these products are persistent and must be carefully used. Read the labels on all insecticides, fungicides, dog dips etc. to prevent dimilin from being dumped into streams, rivers and lakes which would kill off important parts of the food chain. ## Many substances harm the food chain and can be bought at any Home Depot, K-Mart, Lowe's..... http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles...ubenzuron.html "4. SUMMARY OF REGULATORY POSITION AND RATIONALE - The Agency has determined that it should continue to allow the registration of diflubenzuron. However, because of gaps in the data base, additional data are required as specified in the tables. Additional tolerances and label changes will be considered as applications are submitted. - Because of toxicity to crab, shrimp, and other aquatic invertebrate animals, diflubenzuron is classified as a restricted pesticide for use on forests and field crops. Cautionary statements are required on the label warning of hazards to aquatic invertebrates. - The only geographic limitation for use of products containing diflubenzuron is for control of mosquitoes in temporarily flooded areas of pastures in central California. The primary concern with these mosquitoes breeding in wastewater from irrigation projects is their potential for carrying diseases affecting humans." At some point whoever decides these things decided to allow manufacturers to use dimilin in pond treatments. The first commercially available product for ponders that we knew had dimilin (and we immediately advised people at the time) was Anchors Away when they changed their formula from whatever to dimilin (but by the generic name). Now there are others offering products and the price is coming down. "For years, pondkeepers have known the benefits of Dimilin in solving their Anchor Worm Fish Lice problems, but until now Dimilin hasn't legally have been available for this use. Now Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, under an exclusive licensing agreement with The Crompton Corporation, (the manufacturers & owners of Dimilin) is excited to bring Dimilin to the pond market in an easy to use liquid form. No longer will fish owners have to use unregistered and illegal forms of diflubenzuron in questionable strength." http://www.pondliner.com/Dimilin.htm Ingrid -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... Totally FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org http://www.pricelesswarehome.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... All that is is a come on by pondliners, to sell their liquid form of dimilin........Whenyou buy it in powder form it has the strength of it so your not getting unknown strengths.........and as long as what you get is nothing but dimilin what does it matter where it comes from. Just anaother marketing ploy to sell it at a much inflated rate more than likely. ## Anything sold for pond seems to have a highly inflated price. Example: I saw pond thermometers at Home Depot a few years ago for something like $14.99. A similar, just as sturdy one was for sale in the pool dept. for $3.99. Guess which one I bought and still have. :-))) I paid a lot more for my 60 mil "pond" liner (Tetra) than a women I knew in Antioch TN paid for a roofliner from some building supply house. Look at the rip-off prices of Koi and goldfish food. I buy catfish food for $10 per 50 lbs and my fish are thriving. Of course they also get some duckweed, earthworms, shrimp pellets once in awhile,... and some inexpensive puppy and cat chow for variety. Take Dr. Eric Johnsons PP, and what he gets for a small container of it. Triple that amount of money and I can get a whole freaking 55 pound tub of it. Same for Malachite green or formalin........$4.50 for a 2 oz container of MG/F in most pet shops or online. A gal jug of formalin costs me $9.40 and a gal of MG is right at $17.00 a gal......and all it took was filling out some paper work. ## What paperwork did you have to fill out and where are you getting these things so cheap? I seriouosly dount they had it under tight control becasue of folks buying it and dumping it in streams. It degrades very fast in soils so disposal of it is not a problem..........I can think of lots of chemicals which are easy to get that would have much more adverse effects on the environment than dimilin and other so called controlled items. Hell $10 bucks worth of walnuts in a sack will kill a heap of critters in a stream, or wipe out the average fish pond with them. Its individuals and compaines that controll the stuff because they don't want to let go of their fast buck ignorant buyer schemes. Thats why you find all this info with incomplete studies and huge gaps in data bases becasue their origiinal claims as to being so bad were not fully tested and it wa a get rich thing, control it jack up the price get what you can get and then when folks find out its not so, allow it to be be marketed otherwise. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "False hope is nicer than no hope at all." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:41:22 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" wrote:
snip === ===## What paperwork did you have to fill out and where are you getting these ===things so cheap? === snip Depends, on what the item is. I located an Industrial Chemical supplier nearby. They have or can get virtually any chemical kown to man. The only thing I had to do was fill in and apply for an account......I elected top pay tax on purchase.........not try and rip the state etc off in taxes........This paperwork then established an account with them........There are some things controled by the DEA........acetone, Potassium Permanganate etc, so I had to fill out paperwork that was submitted to the DEA for approval. Usually if you have a clean record, the office manager has the authority to waiver the DEA approval and make the sales until they get the paperwork back from DEA........after that the only things you have to sign for is if its a controlled substance like PP, or Cyanide, and what you actually sign is that yu have received an MSDS and know all about these chemicals.........Thats its, simple......There is no minimum orders, etc if you set up an account and deal in cash etc.......actually very simple to do. I buy a lot of cyanide on a monthly basis, and use lots of acetone. Acetone is controlled by DEA (Tech grade, not the crap sold in big box stores etc) as its used by illegal drug labs...............same thing with PP. Its used in thr process of making illegal drugs, so quanities over 1 or 2 or so pounds are controlled. These places have one price and its basically wholesale or dealer costs, as their chemicals are usually packaged as such to be utilized in further manufactureing, or end use, and not geared to retail sales. Packagine does not have instructions etc on them just simple labeling as to contents and any associated symbology like skull and cross bones or the data diamonds and UM codes.....no printed drival as typically found on retail packaged items........They figure if your buiying it in bulk you ought to know what your doing with it. Everything you really need to know should be on the MSDS or in the processes your usuing to utilize the stuff, not on a label......as there is more than one use for chemicals, as we all know......NOw if it was packaged and labeled for say treating ICH, yes, it wouldbe a ot higher due to individual labels and smaller quanities and more handling of the product, it all adds up, but bulk plain label packs are cheap. I deal with Industrial Chemicals Inc........and they have distribution / dealer wharehouses all over the USA. Yes, quanities may be more than one would normally use, but the amount you get is usually a lot more and a cheaper price than what you would pay for a smaller prepackaged item geared to public sales......As long as you pay taxes as you buy for the materials, your fine.......Uncle Sam will not bother you. |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:41:22 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" wrote:
snip === ===## What paperwork did you have to fill out and where are you getting these ===things so cheap? === snip Depends, on what the item is. I located an Industrial Chemical supplier nearby. They have or can get virtually any chemical kown to man. The only thing I had to do was fill in and apply for an account......I elected top pay tax on purchase.........not try and rip the state etc off in taxes........This paperwork then established an account with them........There are some things controled by the DEA........acetone, Potassium Permanganate etc, so I had to fill out paperwork that was submitted to the DEA for approval. Usually if you have a clean record, the office manager has the authority to waiver the DEA approval and make the sales until they get the paperwork back from DEA........after that the only things you have to sign for is if its a controlled substance like PP, or Cyanide, and what you actually sign is that yu have received an MSDS and know all about these chemicals.........Thats its, simple......There is no minimum orders, etc if you set up an account and deal in cash etc.......actually very simple to do. I buy a lot of cyanide on a monthly basis, and use lots of acetone. Acetone is controlled by DEA (Tech grade, not the crap sold in big box stores etc) as its used by illegal drug labs...............same thing with PP. Its used in thr process of making illegal drugs, so quanities over 1 or 2 or so pounds are controlled. These places have one price and its basically wholesale or dealer costs, as their chemicals are usually packaged as such to be utilized in further manufactureing, or end use, and not geared to retail sales. Packagine does not have instructions etc on them just simple labeling as to contents and any associated symbology like skull and cross bones or the data diamonds and UM codes.....no printed drival as typically found on retail packaged items........They figure if your buiying it in bulk you ought to know what your doing with it. Everything you really need to know should be on the MSDS or in the processes your usuing to utilize the stuff, not on a label......as there is more than one use for chemicals, as we all know......NOw if it was packaged and labeled for say treating ICH, yes, it wouldbe a ot higher due to individual labels and smaller quanities and more handling of the product, it all adds up, but bulk plain label packs are cheap. I deal with Industrial Chemicals Inc........and they have distribution / dealer wharehouses all over the USA. Yes, quanities may be more than one would normally use, but the amount you get is usually a lot more and a cheaper price than what you would pay for a smaller prepackaged item geared to public sales......As long as you pay taxes as you buy for the materials, your fine.......Uncle Sam will not bother you. |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... snip I buy a lot of cyanide on a monthly basis, and use lots of acetone. snip Dare we ask what for? :) -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com Check out the IHMP forums, ihmp.net/phpbb I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... snip I buy a lot of cyanide on a monthly basis, and use lots of acetone. snip Dare we ask what for? :) -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com Check out the IHMP forums, ihmp.net/phpbb I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:41:22 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" wrote: snip === ===## What paperwork did you have to fill out and where are you getting these ===things so cheap? === snip Depends, on what the item is. I located an Industrial Chemical supplier nearby. They have or can get virtually any chemical kown to man. The only thing I had to do was fill in and apply for an account......I elected top pay tax on purchase.........not try and rip the state etc off in taxes........This paperwork then established an account with them........ ========================= Thanks for the information. Fortunately I use very little of any chemicals including dechlor. It's more of an emergency item in my "fish medicine chest." When I top off my ponds I spray the water over the surface and so far so good. When the after-rain springs run I use that water for water changes. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "It don't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Huey Conway" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:41:22 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" wrote: snip === ===## What paperwork did you have to fill out and where are you getting these ===things so cheap? === snip Depends, on what the item is. I located an Industrial Chemical supplier nearby. They have or can get virtually any chemical kown to man. The only thing I had to do was fill in and apply for an account......I elected top pay tax on purchase.........not try and rip the state etc off in taxes........This paperwork then established an account with them........ ========================= Thanks for the information. Fortunately I use very little of any chemicals including dechlor. It's more of an emergency item in my "fish medicine chest." When I top off my ponds I spray the water over the surface and so far so good. When the after-rain springs run I use that water for water changes. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "It don't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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