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Fry hatched
The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim
looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis |
"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message .. . The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis Congratulations. |
"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message .. . The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis ========================== Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
"Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message .. . The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis ========================== Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o If your pond has plenty of shelter, you should not have to worry too much about them getting sucked into a filter. Fry tend to stay out of open waters if there is shelter for them. My pond has lots of rocks with plenty of nooks and crannies to hide in, especially behind the waterfall where the water is calm and there are plants to hide among as well. Adult fish generally tend to eat the fry if they can catch the, so they are more of a threat than the filter is. So I would try to provide some sheltered areas for them. I agree about the current, though. It can be rough on fry. Perhaps they can add a valve to the outlet on the pump and crank the flow down a bit. |
George wrote:
"Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message ... The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis ========================== Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o If your pond has plenty of shelter, you should not have to worry too much about them getting sucked into a filter. Fry tend to stay out of open waters if there is shelter for them. My pond has lots of rocks with plenty of nooks and crannies to hide in, especially behind the waterfall where the water is calm and there are plants to hide among as well. Adult fish generally tend to eat the fry if they can catch the, so they are more of a threat than the filter is. So I would try to provide some sheltered areas for them. I agree about the current, though. It can be rough on fry. Perhaps they can add a valve to the outlet on the pump and crank the flow down a bit. In fishtanks, I put a big, fat open cell sponge on the filter inlet. It slows the flow and keeps fry from being sucked in. Would the same work in a pond or would it clog too fast? -- Elaine T __ http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__ rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com |
"George" wrote in message news:hPdie.763$796.525@attbi_s21... "Reel McKoi" wrote in message Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o If your pond has plenty of shelter, you should not have to worry too much about them getting sucked into a filter. Fry tend to stay out of open waters if there is shelter for them. $ I see them both in the taller plants and in the thickets of hornwart and parrots feather, *and* in the open part of my 150 gallon kiddy pools. They don't get too close to the air stones. This may be because there are no bigger fish in these pools so they feel safe (???). I don't know. I do know I have found small dead fry in my Tetra filters that are on the big ponds. They get too close to those baskets over the big Versa pump and .... :*( My pond has lots of rocks with plenty of nooks and crannies to hide in, especially behind the waterfall where the water is calm and there are plants to hide among as well. Adult fish generally tend to eat the fry if they can catch the, so they are more of a threat than the filter is. $ Probably most get eaten if larger fish are present. Dragon fly larvae also eat them. Very few fry survive in my 2000 gallon pond. More survive in the smaller pond, but that pond is closer to nature and has more thickets of plants in the warm shallows. I would really like to redo my large pond and make it more natural looking. Also the man made the sides too steep and they're starting to cave in. We're going to have to redo it sooner or later anyway. Holding all the fish in some kind of tub or pools while the work is being done is going to be a real problem because some of my koi are pretty darn big now (ammonia). So I would try to provide some sheltered areas for them. I agree about the current, though. It can be rough on fry. Perhaps they can add a valve to the outlet on the pump and crank the flow down a bit. $ I do believe current in many ponds is what kills many newly hatched fry. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
"Elaine T" wrote in message m... George wrote: "Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message t... The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis ========================== Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o If your pond has plenty of shelter, you should not have to worry too much about them getting sucked into a filter. Fry tend to stay out of open waters if there is shelter for them. My pond has lots of rocks with plenty of nooks and crannies to hide in, especially behind the waterfall where the water is calm and there are plants to hide among as well. Adult fish generally tend to eat the fry if they can catch the, so they are more of a threat than the filter is. So I would try to provide some sheltered areas for them. I agree about the current, though. It can be rough on fry. Perhaps they can add a valve to the outlet on the pump and crank the flow down a bit. In fishtanks, I put a big, fat open cell sponge on the filter inlet. It slows the flow and keeps fry from being sucked in. Would the same work in a pond or would it clog too fast? It would most likely clog too fast and would be more trouble than it's worth. Aside from removing them to a tank, the best solution is to provide a shelter for them in the pond. |
"Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... "George" wrote in message news:hPdie.763$796.525@attbi_s21... "Reel McKoi" wrote in message Watch the current... that can kill them as well as being sucked into the filter. There are fry-friendly filters out there. I don't use filters with fry until they're over a week old. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o If your pond has plenty of shelter, you should not have to worry too much about them getting sucked into a filter. Fry tend to stay out of open waters if there is shelter for them. $ I see them both in the taller plants and in the thickets of hornwart and parrots feather, *and* in the open part of my 150 gallon kiddy pools. They don't get too close to the air stones. This may be because there are no bigger fish in these pools so they feel safe (???). I don't know. I do know I have found small dead fry in my Tetra filters that are on the big ponds. They get too close to those baskets over the big Versa pump and .... :*( If there are no adults in the pool, they would likely venture out into open water. If adults are in the pool, they will stay in a sheltered area until they get much larger. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for them to get caught in a filter, but if you arrange things in the pond in a way that keeps them away from that filter, you shouldn't have any problems. My pre-filter is far away from the sheltered areas, so I've never seen any fry get in it. |
The berm pond they are in is about 400 gal and has a covering of plants
with lots of roots. It does not have structure (rocks, pots, etc), but htat could be arranged. There is little flow as the water takes about 40 minutes to fill/go through the pond. Jim will toss more adult plants (hyacinth) with deeper roots into it. It has only a few mosquito fish in it. We shall see what the fry do. Phyllis Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote: The koi/goldfish eggs we found on the furnace filter have hatched. Jim looked at the mat and found it egg-free. Now we wait to see how many grow up to be seen in the berm pond. Some will surely go down the filter, but he thinks most of them will manage to stay hiding in the 400 gal pond. Phyllis |
The berm pond they are in is about 400 gal and has a covering of plants
with lots of roots. It does not have structure (rocks, pots, etc), but htat could be arranged. There is little flow as the water takes about 40 minutes to fill/go through the pond. Jim will toss more adult plants (hyacinth) with deeper roots into it. It has only a few mosquito fish in it. We shall see what the fry do. Phyllis I be surprised if the fry survive the mosquito fish, if they're gambusia, those things are like piranha on other fish species fry. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
"George" wrote in message news:Rygie.1396$V2.529@attbi_s72... It would most likely clog too fast and would be more trouble than it's worth. Aside from removing them to a tank, the best solution is to provide a shelter for them in the pond. ====================== The calmest and shallowest area would work well when full of bushy plants like hornwart and parrots feather tangles. I use a few potted pickerel weed or something tall to keep them in place. I always see fry in such areas. I removed some eggs to try and raise more than a few this year. I'm really enjoying watching them grow. :-) One pool is all butterfly koi fry, some at least should be diamond scales. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
George wrote:
It would most likely clog too fast and would be more trouble than it's worth. Aside from removing them to a tank, the best solution is to provide a shelter for them in the pond. Thanks! Still learning the ins and outs of where ponds and tanks are similar and different. -- Elaine T __ http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__ rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com |
"Elaine T" wrote in message om... George wrote: It would most likely clog too fast and would be more trouble than it's worth. Aside from removing them to a tank, the best solution is to provide a shelter for them in the pond. Thanks! Still learning the ins and outs of where ponds and tanks are similar and different. -- Elaine T __ http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__ rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com You're welcome. |
Could be the fry will be eaten. Mosquito tend to stay in the top few
inches. Jim ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: The berm pond they are in is about 400 gal and has a covering of plants with lots of roots. It does not have structure (rocks, pots, etc), but htat could be arranged. There is little flow as the water takes about 40 minutes to fill/go through the pond. Jim will toss more adult plants (hyacinth) with deeper roots into it. It has only a few mosquito fish in it. We shall see what the fry do. Phyllis I be surprised if the fry survive the mosquito fish, if they're gambusia, those things are like piranha on other fish species fry. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
"George" wrote in message news:XCgie.1410$V2.86@attbi_s72... If there are no adults in the pool, they would likely venture out into open water. If adults are in the pool, they will stay in a sheltered area until they get much larger. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for them to get caught in a filter, but if you arrange things in the pond in a way that keeps them away from that filter, you shouldn't have any problems. My pre-filter is far away from the sheltered areas, so I've never seen any fry get in it. ========================= The koi fry are growing much faster than the GF fry. There have been no more fry deaths since the weather settled and the water temps are more stable. I still don't have the room to raise them all unless I either install another pond (not gonna happen) or I buy more kiddy pools. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." :-) ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o "The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here." - Sir Arthur C. Clarke |
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