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Hi gang. I'm a newcomer to rose growing, but I think I've already
become a full fledged addict. This time last year, I had a single plant. Now I'm up to 41 (in 24 varieties) and making room for six or seven more. This season's bounty so far - Duet - from Ashdown Roses. Kentucky Derby - grown by Nelson's Florida Roses, from a nursery off of I-95. (The owner won't carry any roses but Nelson's, which are grown nearby. He said "no matter who ships 'em, freight, UPS, whatever, they come out lookin' like someone's played basketball with them.") Kentucky Derby - boxed ("Paramount Premium" , for those who enjoy a good oxymoron), purchased locally last month in case I didn't find one on last week's trip to FL. Christian Dior - does anyone else here grow these? Or am I off my rocker on this one? Papa Meilland - from Ashdown Roses. Paul at Ashdown said if I like Christian Dior, I'll love Papa. I plan to visit Ashdown again later this spring and see what other damage Paul can do to my bank account. Spartan - a bagged rose rescued from a local store. During packaging, its roots were almost completely lopped off, so I've dubbed it "Nearly Rootless Nick". Blue Girl - another bagged rose rescue. Barely any roots, a hack job of pruning, and one of the canes partly severed by string from packaging. If Amnesty International ever takes on the packaged rose industry, this could be their poster child. I planted her close to Nearly Rootless Nick, so this miserable Blue Girl just had to be nicknamed "Moaning Myrtle". Oklahoma - from Weeks. Apparently I have a weakness for reds. Especially fragrant ones. Double Delight - 3 gal container, grown by Nelson's, bought at a nursery in Rockledge, FL during last week's trip. I love it already. I want more. Heritage - my first David Austin . (The Prince is definitely next on my shopping list. Lilian Austin too, if I can find it.) Pebble Beach - my first try at a ground cover rose. Anyone have any favorites to recommend? unknown mystery rose - a transplant from my mother's house. From her description, I suspect it might be Tropicana. Tropicana - from Weeks. Might help ID the rose from my mother. Peace, Crimson Glory, Chicago Peace, Camelot, Montezuma, Oklahoma, Chrysler Imperial, Europeana, and Christian Dior - the grand bagged rose experiment. Purely on impulse on a cold and rainy night at the hardware store, I decided these unwanted leftover 4-for-$10 Paramount torture victims needed a home. I went there to replace a broken screwdriver and came home with a trunk full of refugees. Yep, I think I've got the disease.... |
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torgo wrote:
Hi gang. I'm a newcomer to rose growing, but I think I've already become a full fledged addict. Hi! Welcome to the group! This time last year, I had a single plant. Now I'm up to 41 (in 24 varieties) and making room for six or seven more. Yep, I'd say you have all the signs! What was your first rose, just curious? This season's bounty so far - Duet - from Ashdown Roses. Don't know Duet, but do know Paul Zimmerman. Great guy, great nursery. Where are you? I am in central NC. Christian Dior - does anyone else here grow these? Or am I off my rocker on this one? It is a lovely rose. I have seen it in bloom. A velvety red as I recall. I cannot recall if it is in the Mr. Lincoln/Chrysler Imperial line of red, fragrant roses that are genetically related. I am digging out poor cankered Mr. L. this week--the buds still thrill, with their perfect long form and the scent is great--but the blooms are sloppy and floppy and the plant is ten-12 feet tall here, all straight up. Papa Meilland - from Ashdown Roses. Paul at Ashdown said if I like Christian Dior, I'll love Papa. I plan to visit Ashdown again later this spring and see what other damage Paul can do to my bank account. Papa Meilland was recommended to me by a very good rosarian. I think you will love him and I want him! Blue Girl - another bagged rose rescue. Barely any roots, a hack job of pruning, and one of the canes partly severed by string from packaging. This is not the way to start out with many of the lavender roses, which seem to share a gene for wimpiness. Even with great beginnings as robust, long-rooted bare roots and the best of care, they tend to be fussy. Blue Girl, Sterling Silver, and my first rose, Lagerfeld are all that way. HOWEVER--I ordered another such wimpy Diva this spring--called Blue Nile-- so go figure. The lavenders can be some of the most beautiful and also the most fragrant hybrid teas. Trouble is, insects and fungus seem to like them just as much in my garden as I do! Oklahoma - from Weeks. Apparently I have a weakness for reds. Especially fragrant ones. GREAT rose. I saw it early and opted for Mr. L. instead. One thing--try to put it in a place that gets some afternoon shade. This black-red rose's petals will burn in the summer, esp. if you are in FL or SC or somewhere farther south than me. Double Delight - 3 gal container, grown by Nelson's, bought at a nursery in Rockledge, FL during last week's trip. I love it already. I want more. Many love this rose! Great fragrance, too! Good choice! Heritage - my first David Austin . (The Prince is definitely next on my shopping list. Lilian Austin too, if I can find it.) I have many Austins. They are addictive to those of us who like fragrance and don't mind the floppy old rose form. I have a baby tradescant, baby Abraham Darbys, Pat Austin, Jude the Obscure, Radio Times, Golden Celebration, Molineaux, Perdita, all of these are wonderful. Tamora is a sweet apricot Austin that gets 2.5 feet tall max and smells like licorice to my nose. (Myrrh, they say it is.) Yep, I think I've got the disease.... You do! Welcome to the club! |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:11:29 -0500 (EST), in rec.gardens.roses you
wrote: torgo wrote: Hi gang. I'm a newcomer to rose growing, but I think I've already become a full fledged addict. Hi! Welcome to the group! This time last year, I had a single plant. Now I'm up to 41 (in 24 varieties) and making room for six or seven more. Yep, I'd say you have all the signs! What was your first rose, just curious? This season's bounty so far - Duet - from Ashdown Roses. Don't know Duet, but do know Paul Zimmerman. Great guy, great nursery. Where are you? I am in central NC. Here is *my* Duet. It has a little fragrance, but its charm is its compactness and impact with the bright red profusion of blooms. It stands watch at the front of my little rose garden by my porch stoop. It is a lovely rose. I have seen it in bloom. A velvety red as I recall. I cannot recall if it is in the Mr. Lincoln/Chrysler Imperial line of red, fragrant roses that are genetically related. I am digging out poor cankered Mr. L. this week--the buds still thrill, with their perfect long form and the scent is great--but the blooms are sloppy and floppy and the plant is ten-12 feet tall here, all straight up. Papa Meilland - from Ashdown Roses. Paul at Ashdown said if I like Christian Dior, I'll love Papa. I plan to visit Ashdown again later this spring and see what other damage Paul can do to my bank account. Papa Meilland was recommended to me by a very good rosarian. I think you will love him and I want him! Oh yes, Papa is a wonder. With a tall, stately, candelabra shape, it's oneof those few "bouquet quality" well-shaped red roses with a scent. Mine is about 7 feet tall and it only gets sun until 1 pm. Here's the bloom (long-standing contributors to this NG can ignore these redundancies): http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...st%20Frost.jpg This is actually a post-frost, November pic, believe it or not... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...11.14.2002.jpg Here's another November shot (11.14 actually): And here's a shot from earlier in the season (isn't *that* a well-formed bloom - and the SCENT! - ps, it isn't *quite* that brilliant a shade of scarlet, but it's close...) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/RedRose2.jpg And finally, here's a luscious post-rain shot: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/RedRoseToday.jpg snip I have many Austins. They are addictive to those of us who like fragrance and don't mind the floppy old rose form. I have a baby tradescant, baby Abraham Darbys, Pat Austin, Jude the Obscure, Radio Times, Golden Celebration, Molineaux, Perdita, all of these are wonderful. Tamora is a sweet apricot Austin that gets 2.5 feet tall max and smells like licorice to my nose. (Myrrh, they say it is.) Don't forget the amazing Graham Thomas. Yep, I think I've got the disease.... You do! Welcome to the club! Now it's time to teach the secret handshake... |
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dave weil wrote:
Here is *my* Duet. It has a little fragrance, but its charm is its compactness and impact with the bright red profusion of blooms. It stands watch at the front of my little rose garden by my porch stoop. De link! De link! You forgot the link! |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:11:29 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote: Duet - from Ashdown Roses. Don't know Duet, but do know Paul Zimmerman. Great guy, great nursery. Where are you? I am in central NC. I like Paul's approach to growing - focus on improving the soil, keep the chemicals to a minimum, etc. We definitely hit it off right away. I'm in Atlanta. Zone 7. Pro = mild winter, amazing spring weather for gardening. Con = Texas-like heat in August, clay soil. Christian Dior - does anyone else here grow these? Or am I off my rocker on this one? It is a lovely rose. I have seen it in bloom. A velvety red as I recall. I cannot recall if it is in the Mr. Lincoln/Chrysler Imperial line of red, fragrant roses that are genetically related. I am digging out poor cankered Mr. L. this week--the buds still thrill, with their perfect long form and the scent is great--but the blooms are sloppy and floppy and the plant is ten-12 feet tall here, all straight up. I have a Mr. Lincoln that isn't doing so well at the moment either. I'm going to move it to a spot with 100% sun (it gets afternoon shade now) and see how it responds. My first rose, planted two years ago, was a packaged Christian Dior (or so the label says - you can never be sure) that I planted as a test just to see if roses would like my yard better than azaleas. I absolutely love it - disease resistant plant, big red blooms on long stems - incredible cut flower. I've bought many more of them, which has left me with a mystery. My first one does indeed appear to be a Dior, as opposed to a mislabeled Mr. Lincoln or something else, but it is quite fragrant. I didn't think anything of it at first, because the label (I wish I could recall the brand) said it would be fragrant. But other references and nurseries list it as only having a mild fragrance. I'm wondering if there are multiple sub-strains. My trunkload of refugees from the hardware store included several Diors, and their label also says "fragrant". If they turn out as fragrant as my first one, I'll be recommending it to everyone I know. Blue Girl - another bagged rose rescue. Barely any roots, a hack job of pruning, and one of the canes partly severed by string from packaging. This is not the way to start out with many of the lavender roses, which seem to share a gene for wimpiness. Even with great beginnings as robust, long-rooted bare roots and the best of care, they tend to be fussy. Blue Girl, Sterling Silver, and my first rose, Lagerfeld are all that way. HOWEVER--I ordered another such wimpy Diva this spring--called Blue Nile-- so go figure. The lavenders can be some of the most beautiful and also the most fragrant hybrid teas. Trouble is, insects and fungus seem to like them just as much in my garden as I do! I picked out the Blue Girl more for contrast than anything else. It's in a row of mostly reds, between a Christian Dior and a Chrysler Imperial. I was hoping the presence of lavender would make the reds stand out, and vice versa. The Evil Ones who packaged her mangled her so badly that I give her less than a 25% chance of surviving two months. If she lives to produce any blooms at all, I'll consider them beautiful little miracles. (And I'll cut them as soon as they open, so that her few roots won't have to support them.) Oklahoma - from Weeks. Apparently I have a weakness for reds. Especially fragrant ones. GREAT rose. I saw it early and opted for Mr. L. instead. One thing--try to put it in a place that gets some afternoon shade. This black-red rose's petals will burn in the summer, esp. if you are in FL or SC or somewhere farther south than me. Hmmm, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the tip. I'll probably switch it with the Mr. Lincoln that isn't doing well in afternoon shade. |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:01:33 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote: dave weil wrote: Here is *my* Duet. It has a little fragrance, but its charm is its compactness and impact with the bright red profusion of blooms. It stands watch at the front of my little rose garden by my porch stoop. De link! De link! You forgot the link! Ooops - it's the damn brandy, I tell you! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet.jpg And here's an extra one - the Duet is the big pinkish/red one: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet1.jpg |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:31:47 -0600, dave weil
wrote: Oh yes, Papa is a wonder. With a tall, stately, candelabra shape, it's oneof those few "bouquet quality" well-shaped red roses with a scent. Mine is about 7 feet tall and it only gets sun until 1 pm. Yep, Papa Meilland is another part of that family with Mr. Lincoln, Oklahoma, and Chrysler Imperial (a proud parent). The whole bunch of 'em are enough to make me want to take up hybridizing. I have many Austins. They are addictive to those of us who like fragrance and don't mind the floppy old rose form. I have a baby tradescant, baby Abraham Darbys, Pat Austin, Jude the Obscure, Radio Times, Golden Celebration, Molineaux, Perdita, all of these are wonderful. Tamora is a sweet apricot Austin that gets 2.5 feet tall max and smells like licorice to my nose. (Myrrh, they say it is.) Don't forget the amazing Graham Thomas. I'm just not that big on yellow quite yet. For now, the daffodils and day lilies give me more than my fill of yellow blooms. My mother just got several David Austins, though, including a Graham Thomas, so maybe hers will win me over. If it does, I know Paul at Ashdown Roses has a particularly good strain of Graham Thomas whenever I'm ready to make the drive to S.C. Until then, The Prince is next on my David Austin wish list, followed by Lillian Austin and whatever nice pure white Austin I can find. (Anyone have any recommendations?) Now it's time to teach the secret handshake... Wouldn't a secret twelve-step program be more appropriate? |
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dave weil wrote:
"Shiva" wrote: dave weil wrote: Here is *my* Duet. It has a little fragrance, but its charm is its compactness and impact with the bright red profusion of blooms. It stands watch at the front of my little rose garden by my porch stoop. De link! De link! You forgot the link! Ooops - it's the damn brandy, I tell you! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet.jpg And here's an extra one - the Duet is the big pinkish/red one: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet1.jpg If it isn't already obvious, let me just say I don't know jack about Duet....except that I always thought it was a shell pink jobber. This is what it looks like at HelpMeFind: http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/spd/std/6756.jpg Methinks you Duet is not. |
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Torgo,
Boy, I can't believe how many of my little collection you have..... "torgo" wrote in message ... Hi gang. I'm a newcomer to rose growing, but I think I've already become a full fledged addict. This time last year, I had a single plant. Now I'm up to 41 (in 24 varieties) and making room for six or seven more. Kentucky Derby - grown by Nelson's Florida Roses, from a nursery off of I-95. Great red one. I bought a crappy Kentucky Derby my first year (Home Depot), and even though she's down to only two canes from the bud union, they're really big honkin' ones. Grows like a weed. Mine is pretty prone to blackspot here in Seattle though. Blue Girl - another bagged rose rescue. Barely any roots, a hack job of pruning, and one of the canes partly severed by string from packaging. If Amnesty International ever takes on the packaged rose industry, this could be their poster child. I planted her close to Nearly Rootless Nick, so this miserable Blue Girl just had to be nicknamed "Moaning Myrtle". My Blue Girl ought to be named "Typhoid Mary". Probably the one rose I have most prone to catch EVERYTHING, the little tramplette. Gotta really be diligent with the spraying, but nice blooms when they're healthy. Oklahoma - from Weeks. Apparently I have a weakness for reds. Especially fragrant ones. I've got a thing for reds too.....Oklahoma is another one I bought a cruddy one of from Home Depot, my 1st year. Healthier than Kentucky Derby for me...but might be a candidate for orphaning to the city parking strip nearby....my teeny yard's real estate is too valuable unless this one coughs it up big time pretty soon.... Great red blooms though. Tropicana - from Weeks. Might help ID the rose from my mother. One of my favorites-- great, huge blooms. Almost no spotting either, love the color. Peace, Crimson Glory, Chicago Peace, Camelot, Montezuma, Oklahoma, Chrysler Imperial, Europeana, and Christian Dior - the grand bagged rose experiment. Chrysler Imperial is new for me this year. I felt like it was one of those Classics I just had to have. Looks good so far, but just getting established. Europeana is probably my brightest red, love it. Seems to get powdery mildew more than some of the others, and I wish it was more prolific, but that might just be because of where I have it. You'll like this one.... Yep, I think I've got the disease.... Yeah, looks that way....I think we all do.... :) Hey, if you really like reds, check out Taboo. Mine gets powdery mildew sometimes, but if you keep on it, it's not too bad. Very strong grower, mine's in a pot too. It's almost black, it's so dark, and very velvety. Very cool. Welcome to the obsession! JimS. Seattle |
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"torgo" wrote Until then, The Prince is next on my David Austin wish list, followed by Lillian Austin and whatever nice pure white Austin I can find. (Anyone have any recommendations?) Now it's time to teach the secret handshake... Wouldn't a secret twelve-step program be more appropriate? Hello Torgo and welcome to the group, We share something in common, I don't care much for yellow roses, as a matter of fact last summer I donated to the entry to our little community all the Sun Goddesses that were found in this house when we moved, and I have a couple of Henry Fondas that are waiting for a fellow rosarian to come and get them out of here. I cannot explain why, but the ones with the buff shade are quite beautiful (E.Veyrat Hermanos is one of my all time favorites) to me but yellow-yellow is another story. Fair Bianca is an Austin I think you would like. White white here. Good form, nice fragrance, not very strong neck but in my opinion at least in this case, it adds to its charms. The Prince I adore and the fragrance is the best of any rose Austin has put out. Bought it band size at Heirloom last Spring and it gave us a couple of blooms that filled the room for three days. Gorgeous rose. If you like old garden roses I have never found yet a better white than Kaiserina Augusta Viktoria. That continues to be my favorite white among all roses. The fragrance is incredible and the form is beautiful. I don't do many HTs so I am not the one to recommend there, but just found an old one from Bees, Cyril Fletcher and it is incredible, but it has ivory towards the eye, and the petals are like silk. I share also your opinion of Paul. I hope his labor problems are a thing of the past. Always loved his plants, it is incredibly expensive for us to buy from him because of the shipping but we still buy at least 2 roses every year to help out. If we don't support people like him and Vintage, Amity and all of the small growers pretty soon we are going to be back to where I was when growing old roses in the 70s and 80s : nowhere and with very little selection. Eugene de Beauharnais came from him and the bad boy is a beauty! Bloomed in the garage in January and February and it had over 15 blooms. Good upbringing. Cannot argue with that. What else is there in your wish list? My husband says that my wish list is "a work of art, always evolving" and bless him, he says it without sarcasm! Allegra PS: as I said before the only 12 steps I would take would be the ones from the car to the nearest rose in the nursery. Willing to bet I am not alone ;) |
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Allegra wrote:
We share something in common, I don't care much for yellow roses, as a matter of fact last summer I donated to the entry to our little community all the Sun Goddesses that were found in this house when we moved, and I have a couple of Henry Fondas that are waiting for a fellow rosarian to come and get them out of here. I cannot explain why, but the ones with the buff shade are quite beautiful (E.Veyrat Hermanos is one of my all time favorites) to me but yellow-yellow is another story. Guess who is the first to bloom this year? Safrano! (Well, Fortune's Double Yellow is trying to open up too.) Talk about a rose slow to build, Safrano is right at the top of the list. I bought this tiny twiglet from Ralph Moore's place on January 11, 2000. Just now it is about 30" tall and pulls buds out of the air like a magician. I love buff roses and the old yolky yellow, the shades of Lady Hillingdon, Danae, English Garden, Crepuscule, Buff Beauty (waiting for Regina to claim her). I have pots of Golden Celebration, Celine Forestier, Sunshine Sally (Poor little Sunshine Sally suffers from the yellow curse [blackspot]), and Flutterbye waiting to join their yolky sisters...just as soon as I excavate some new rose bunkers. |
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"Cass" wrote Guess who is the first to bloom this year? Safrano! (Well, Fortune's Double Yellow is trying to open up too.) Talk about a rose slow to build, Safrano is right at the top of the list. I bought this tiny twiglet from Ralph Moore's place on January 11, 2000. Just now it is about 30" tall and pulls buds out of the air like a magician. I love buff roses and the old yolky yellow, the shades of Lady Hillingdon, Danae, English Garden, Crepuscule, Buff Beauty (waiting for Regina to claim her). I have pots of Golden Celebration, Celine Forestier, Sunshine Sally (Poor little Sunshine Sally suffers from the yellow curse [blackspot]), and Flutterbye waiting to join their yolky sisters...just as soon as I excavate some new rose bunkers. Hi darling, Listen I have Crepuscle and she is not a yellow-yellow. At least not here. The old yolky yellow is the ugliest shade in this weather and at this latitude. In our house in Buenos Aires my mother had the most gorgeous yellow roses festooning the entire upper balcony in the first floor patio. (I know you are familiar with Spanish style construction where the houses are boxes with central patios and the rest of the house is built around it) - They were fragrant and big and generous. Those I would like. But here... Zilch in Oregon. Not a single yellow I have yet found even at John and Luise's gorgeous gardens that I have said to myself " Self, that one is coming home with us". Why E.Veyrat Hermanos is called Pillar of Gold escapes me completely. There is something about yellow roses and the implication in both the Spanish and Italian folklore that they represent jealousy that perhaps permeated my formative years or something. I love peaches, apricots, rust color ones of great intensity, love reds that bleed into maroon or black, like Black Jade -don't like minis but that one is a joy - I love Ralph Moore and I respect his magnum opus but there is something about miniatures that makes me think they need fertilizer. Never mind, let's don't go there. I have always thought of them as the barbies of roses. Please the rest of you, no offense intended so I hope none taken. I just think a rose is voluptuous and must flower with abandonment, should bob sometimes on its neck out of sheer sensuality and I like the almost vulgar abundance of a bloom bursting forth with petals and fragrance. Minis always look stilted to me. As if something happened and they just never got "there". So, back to yellow. I have several times attempted to get "there" myself and just couldn't bring myself to. Years ago someone gave me a great Persian Yellow. Healthy plant, and what have you. I felt guilty every time I walked by her. I sensed that rose was putting out like crazy and I was not only indifferent but almost bothered by this. I wanted to like her, and I couldn't. We parted ways honorably. I gave her away and never subjected myself to another. Yet. Allegra |
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Fair Bianca is an Austin I think you would like. White white here. Good form, nice fragrance, not very strong neck but in my opinion at least in this case, it adds to its charms. The Prince I adore and the fragrance is the best of any rose Austin has put out. Bought it band size at Heirloom last Spring and it gave us a couple of blooms that filled the room for three days. Gorgeous rose. Nice to hear good reports on The Prince. I'll have to keep Fair Bianca in mind. I'm also thinking about Winchester Cathedral for a nice white Austin. the one to recommend there, but just found an old one from Bees, Cyril Fletcher and it is incredible, but it has ivory towards the eye, and the petals are like silk. Funny you should mention it - Cyril Fletcher is one I plan to order very soon. For a white rose, I'm wanting first and foremost a strong grower and bloomer, preferably with a fair amount of fragrance. Cyril jumped out right away as one that would fit the bill very well. I also like the fact that hardly anyone else has it, since most of my other roses are extremely common varieties. I share also your opinion of Paul. I hope his labor problems are a thing of the past. Always loved his plants, it is incredibly expensive for us to buy from him because of the shipping but we still buy at least 2 roses every year to help out. If we don't support people like him and Vintage, Amity and all of the small growers pretty soon we are going to be back to where I was when growing old roses in the 70s and 80s : nowhere and with very little selection. Eugene de Beauharnais came Being self-employed myself, I'm definitely all for supporting the smaller, independent growers. I'll check out Vintage and Amity. Paul's nursery is about a three hour drive away, and Roses Unlimited is on the way there, so rather than having things shipped, I just drive there, see both in one trip, and subject myself to fits of impulse shopping. Pat's place (www.rosesunlimitedownroot.com) can be overwhelming - there are I think nine long, long greenhouses packed with thousands of roses. So many names, you can't keep up with it all. Paul's nursery is much more dangerous. It seems so harmless, with nothing at all that you want to buy. Except for this one gorgeous rose here. And that other one over there. And one of these, er, better make that two, since they're so small, and one of each of these, since I'm here, and... What else is there in your wish list? My husband says that my wish list is "a work of art, always evolving" and bless him, he says it without sarcasm! Allegra My wish list is constantly changing too. But if you can't change your mind, how do you really know that you have one? The Prince, Cyril Fletcher, and one or two more David Austins will complete my list of immediate "needs". Milestone is still on my wish list (out of the thousands of roses I saw at Roses Unlimited, it stands out strongest in my mind). Condessa de Sastago and Fire 'n Ice also have space waiting for them, as soon as I can figure out where that space might be.... Otherwise, I already have a Granada and two beautiful Brigadoons, a First Prize, Mr. Lincoln, Chrysler Imperial, my very first Christian Dior, and four baby Diors (red, pink, and one that seems to be both red and pink on the same plant) plus the horde of 30 plants and counting that I've amassed so far this year. I ought to wait a few months before making my next wish list just to give my bank account a chance to recover! Unfortunately, if the current deluge here doesn't let up soon (day four of heavy rain, with a forecast for two more days of downpour and flood watches already in effect) they'll all rot in standing water and I'll have to start all over. |
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:37:22 -0800, Cass
wrote: dave weil wrote: "Shiva" wrote: dave weil wrote: Here is *my* Duet. It has a little fragrance, but its charm is its compactness and impact with the bright red profusion of blooms. It stands watch at the front of my little rose garden by my porch stoop. De link! De link! You forgot the link! Ooops - it's the damn brandy, I tell you! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet.jpg And here's an extra one - the Duet is the big pinkish/red one: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Duet1.jpg If it isn't already obvious, let me just say I don't know jack about Duet....except that I always thought it was a shell pink jobber. This is what it looks like at HelpMeFind: http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/spd/std/6756.jpg Methinks you Duet is not. Oh it is (I think g). The color's just a slight bit off in the picture, as that particular color always seems just a slight bit purplish in sunlight with my digital for some reason. If you look at the first picture at HelpMeFind, you'll see the same trait. Also, don't be fooled by the single blooms. It blooms in clusters, but I couldn't find any pictures of it that way (and these were the first blooms of a one year old plant as well). If I find any shots of it later in the season I'll post them... |
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"torgo" wrote Unfortunately, if the current deluge here doesn't let up soon (day four of heavy rain, with a forecast for two more days of downpour and flood watches already in effect) they'll all rot in standing water and I'll have to start all over. Oh, no you don't. Faced with certain death all and any measures are not only possible but acceptable. Cheap garbage cans filled with potting soil can hold those babies until the second coming is done. I know that others may not approve but between the choice of having my babies drown and taking them to higher ground guess what? I will dig every one of them out, prune them back to kingdom come to make them think that winter is here, and put them inside the garage or on higher ground inside some buckets or even cardboard boxes for lack of anything else with enough soil to cover their roots. And if the weather says the monsoon will stay until next week, then I bet you could put them well wrapped in wet newspapers inside making sure they are still moist until it passes. What do you really have to lose except some beautiful roses otherwise? Here is wishing for a change in the weather, Allegra |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:36:20 GMT, "JimS."
wrote: Kentucky Derby - grown by Nelson's Florida Roses, from a nursery off of I-95. Great red one. I bought a crappy Kentucky Derby my first year (Home Depot), and even though she's down to only two canes from the bud union, they're really big honkin' ones. Grows like a weed. Mine is pretty prone to blackspot here in Seattle though. Good to know it really is a strong grower, since it's not as fragrant as the other reds. I like the foliage, too. I'd heard it was fairly carefree as far as spraying for blackspot, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it. Blue Girl - another bagged rose rescue. Barely any roots, a hack job of pruning, and one of the canes partly severed by string from packaging. If Amnesty International ever takes on the packaged rose industry, this could be their poster child. I planted her close to Nearly Rootless Nick, so this miserable Blue Girl just had to be nicknamed "Moaning Myrtle". My Blue Girl ought to be named "Typhoid Mary". Probably the one rose I have most prone to catch EVERYTHING, the little tramplette. Gotta really be diligent with the spraying, but nice blooms when they're healthy. Yikes. I guess if Moaning Myrtle doesn't make it through the spring ( I don't see how she could - she's been through the rose equivalent of a slasher movie) it might not be such a tragedy after all. Chrysler Imperial is new for me this year. I felt like it was one of those Classics I just had to have. Looks good so far, but just getting established. Europeana is probably my brightest red, love it. Seems to get powdery mildew more than some of the others, and I wish it was more prolific, but that might just be because of where I have it. You'll like this one.... I already had one Chrysler Imperial that I bought last summer (to replace a Home Depot rescue that didn't make it). Seems like a slow but very steady grower. Nice bushy habit. And the blooms get darker with age, even turning purple. Super cool. A particular female friend of mine really digs it, which (since I'm single) naturally makes me appreciate it even more. Hey, if you really like reds, check out Taboo. Mine gets powdery mildew sometimes, but if you keep on it, it's not too bad. Very strong grower, mine's in a pot too. It's almost black, it's so dark, and very velvety. Very cool. Hmmm.... black velvet. Sounds as cool as the other side of the pillow. I'll have to try it out. I'm also looking at Red Planet as a possible future addition to the gallery of Reds. Welcome to the obsession! JimS. Seattle Most people choose their hobbies. Our hobby has chosen us. |
still another batch of roses
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:34:28 GMT, "Allegra"
wrote: Oh, no you don't. Faced with certain death all and any measures are not only possible but acceptable. Cheap garbage cans filled with potting soil can hold those babies until the second coming is done. I know that others may not approve but between the choice of having my babies drown and taking them to higher ground guess what? I will dig every one of them out, prune them back to kingdom come to make them think that winter is here, and put them inside the garage or on higher ground inside some buckets or even cardboard boxes for lack of anything else with enough soil to cover their roots. And if the weather says the monsoon will stay until next week, then I bet you could put them well wrapped in wet newspapers inside making sure they are still moist until it passes. What do you really have to lose except some beautiful roses otherwise? I'm considering digging up every one of them, putting them in pots, bringing them inside, and keeping all 41 of them on my kitchen floor until this mysterious alleged yellow orb decides to show itself in the daytime sky once again. (I'm a single male, so what's the point of a kitchen, anyway?) My neighbors already think I'm a little obsessive with the divas. This will make them think I've gone totally bonkers, a la Richard Dreyfus in "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind". Thank you ! It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in my new-found dementia. If I see standing water or if tomorrow's forecast still has no end in sight, I'm doing it. (Maybe I should also figure out just how big a "cubit" is, just in case...) |
still another batch of roses
In article g3dea.145948$L1.20297@sccrnsc02, Allegra
wrote: "Cass" wrote Guess who is the first to bloom this year? Safrano! (Well, Fortune's Double Yellow is trying to open up too.) Talk about a rose slow to build, Safrano is right at the top of the list. I bought this tiny twiglet from Ralph Moore's place on January 11, 2000. Just now it is about 30" tall and pulls buds out of the air like a magician. I love buff roses and the old yolky yellow, the shades of Lady Hillingdon, Danae, English Garden, Crepuscule, Buff Beauty (waiting for Regina to claim her). I have pots of Golden Celebration, Celine Forestier, Sunshine Sally (Poor little Sunshine Sally suffers from the yellow curse [blackspot]), and Flutterbye waiting to join their yolky sisters...just as soon as I excavate some new rose bunkers. Hi darling, Listen I have Crepuscle and she is not a yellow-yellow. I agree completely. None of the roses I listed is yellow-yellow. I think of them as golden. There is something about yellow roses and the implication in both the Spanish and Italian folklore that they represent jealousy that perhaps permeated my formative years or something. That is interesting, something I never knew. I love peaches, apricots, So do I. And just as soon as I find one that doesn't succumb to rust and that blooms non-stop, you'll be the first to know. The Brits have produced dozens of apricoty roses within the past 5 years, and I sure wish we could get our hands on them. I love Ralph Moore and I respect his magnum opus but there is something about miniatures that makes me think they need fertilizer. Never mind, let's don't go there. I have always thought of them as *the barbies of roses*. Oh oh. Quotable moment. I share your pain, sister. I just think a rose is voluptuous and must flower with abandonment, should bob sometimes on its neck out of sheer sensuality and I like the almost vulgar abundance of a bloom bursting forth with petals and fragrance. Minis always look stilted to me. As if something happened and they just never got "there". Heh heh. They've been banned here. I refuse to think of a 10 foot rose an a mini and hereby decree that it is not. [concerning Persian yellow] We parted ways honorably. I gave her away and never subjected myself to another. Yet. My refrain. |
still another batch of roses
Cass wrote:
In article g3dea.145948$L1.20297@sccrnsc02, Allegra wrote: "Cass" wrote Guess who is the first to bloom this year? Safrano! Too tender for Reno, but doing well in Auckland. I love buff roses and the old yolky yellow, the shades of Lady Hillingdon, Danae, English Garden, Crepuscule, Buff Beauty (waiting for Regina to claim her). Oh!! I adore buff yellow roses too. Lady H just did its first (mild) winter here, tucked up under the shelter of Sally Holmes. English Garden - in a 15 gallon pot - got moved last summer to a full sun spot and instantly came alive. It looks like this is one that totally hates too much shade. And Buff Beauty, which Cass knows I've ordered three times now, only to get it scratched before delivery each time; I was hoping it would finally perform for her, under threat of excommunication, but if it has now been potted and exiled, ok, well I am READY. I don't know how it will do here but am most interested to find out. Next trip I make down the hill, I'll need to bring lots of plastic for transporting roses. GOT to make it to Vintage this time too!! (Hmmm, What does Cass want that she hasn't already bought herself??) I have pots of Golden Celebration, Celine Forestier, Sunshine Sally (Poor little Sunshine Sally suffers from the yellow curse [blackspot]), and Flutterbye waiting to join their yolky sisters...just as soon as I excavate some new rose bunkers. I didn't know Flutterbye was yolky. I think I need to see a Plant in Bloom. Allegra wrote: I love peaches, apricots, So do I. And just as soon as I find one that doesn't succumb to rust and that blooms non-stop, you'll be the first to know. Which ones have you tried? Mrs. Oakley Fisher is non-stop here though I know from nothing 'bout rust. The Brits have produced dozens of apricoty roses within the past 5 years, and I sure wish we could get our hands on them. A couple of names please? What should I be lusting for? [Allegra] I love Ralph Moore and I respect his magnum opus but there is something about miniatures that makes me think they need fertilizer. This cracks me up. Never mind, let's don't go there. I have always thought of them as *the barbies of roses*. [Cass] Oh oh. Quotable moment. I share your pain, sister. Have you noticed Ruby Pendent at the SJHRG? I just think a rose is voluptuous and must flower with abandonment, should bob sometimes on its neck out of sheer sensuality and I like the almost vulgar abundance of a bloom bursting forth with petals and fragrance. Minis always look stilted to me. As if something happened and they just never got "there". Heh heh. They've been banned here. I refuse to think of a 10 foot rose an a mini and hereby decree that it is not. Cass, remember that big spreading bush whose shape you liked along my driveway? It's a Moore cl mi (which ought to root easily): http://www.justourpictures.com/roses...ingjackie.html [concerning Persian yellow] We parted ways honorably. I gave her away and never subjected myself to another. Yet. My refrain. An easier, and similar, rose for here is Harison's yellow. MUCH easier as it is already established all over this neighborhood and all I have to do to enjoy it is drive or walk by at the right time of year. Right now the clump on the main road looks like a huge nasty bramble patch. Regina |
still another batch of roses
dave weil wrote:
Oh yes, Papa is a wonder. With a tall, stately, candelabra shape, it's oneof those few "bouquet quality" well-shaped red roses with a scent. Mine is about 7 feet tall and it only gets sun until 1 pm. I wonder if it has as straight and upright a form as Mr. Lincoln. Have you grown Abe, Dave? Don't forget the amazing Graham Thomas. Didn't we have this discussion when I was deciding between Graham and Golden Celebration? I chose the latter because it won fragrance awards and I had the impression it was smaller than GT--the former being true and the latter not, I later learned. Now it's time to teach the secret handshake... No, I believe those days are over! ;0) |
still another batch of roses
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:54:16 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote: dave weil wrote: Oh yes, Papa is a wonder. With a tall, stately, candelabra shape, it's oneof those few "bouquet quality" well-shaped red roses with a scent. Mine is about 7 feet tall and it only gets sun until 1 pm. I wonder if it has as straight and upright a form as Mr. Lincoln. Have you grown Abe, Dave? No I haven't. Here's the form: http://www.pbase.com/image/14518841 Don't forget the amazing Graham Thomas. Didn't we have this discussion when I was deciding between Graham and Golden Celebration? I chose the latter because it won fragrance awards and I had the impression it was smaller than GT--the former being true and the latter not, I later learned. Perhaps. I don't recall... Now it's time to teach the secret handshake... No, I believe those days are over! ;0) I guess I didn't get the memo g. |
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torgo writes:
Wouldn't a secret twelve-step program be more appropriate? Torgo, Allegra and I recently discussed this possibility. The conclusion: It doesn't work. No one has ever been successful in completing the 12 steps (except the 12 steps from the car to the nursery). |
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still another batch of roses
Regina wrote:
Cass wrote: Allegra wrote: "Cass" wrote Oh!! I adore buff yellow roses too. Lady H just did its first (mild) winter here, tucked up under the shelter of Sally Holmes. English Garden - in a 15 gallon pot - got moved last summer to a full sun spot and instantly came alive. It looks like this is one that totally hates too much shade. How large is English Garden in your pot? And Buff Beauty, which Cass knows I've ordered three times now, only to get it scratched before delivery each time; I was hoping it would finally perform for her, under threat of excommunication, but if it has now been potted and exiled, ok, well I am READY. I don't know how it will do here but am most interested to find out. Ya mean I can dig it up? Consider it done. We'll need help getting it in the car, more like you'll a trailer. Next trip I make down the hill, I'll need to bring lots of plastic for transporting roses. GOT to make it to Vintage this time too!! (Hmmm, What does Cass want that she hasn't already bought herself??) Oh, nothing. I have enough roses. ;-P I didn't know Flutterbye was yolky. I think I need to see a Plant in Bloom. Me too. I took a chance. Even if it's yellow, it's okay. My family won't let me get rid of Sunsprite, so it will have company. The Brits have produced dozens of apricoty roses within the past 5 years, and I sure wish we could get our hands on them. A couple of names please? What should I be lusting for? I would start with Great Expectations. But just cruise the Crocker, Harkness and Dickson roses on the English sites. Have you noticed Ruby Pendent at the SJHRG? No, and if it's with the minis, I probably won't because there is never enough time to get through that collection. I just think a rose is voluptuous and must flower with abandonment, should bob sometimes on its neck out of sheer sensuality and I like the almost vulgar abundance of a bloom bursting forth with petals and fragrance. Minis always look stilted to me. As if something happened and they just never got "there". Heh heh. They've been banned here. I refuse to think of a 10 foot rose an a mini and hereby decree that it is not. Cass, remember that big spreading bush whose shape you liked along my driveway? It's a Moore cl mi (which ought to root easily): http://www.justourpictures.com/roses...ingjackie.html Wow, great looking. Are those reflexed petals typical (I love them), or is that a special deal in warm weather? |
still another batch of roses
Cass wrote:
Regina wrote: How large is English Garden in your pot? Two feet above soil level after light pruning, with a fairly narrow profile. I suspect it will be taller and bushier this year after having been moved out of the too cold and shady spot it had been in. I've had it a few years and it had always sulked, but once in its new position late last summer, it immediately started pumping out blooms. And Buff Beauty, which Cass knows I've ordered three times now, only to get it scratched before delivery each time; I was hoping it would finally perform for her, under threat of excommunication, but if it has now been potted and exiled, ok, well I am READY. I don't know how it will do here but am most interested to find out. Ya mean I can dig it up? Consider it done. We'll need help getting it in the car, more like you'll a trailer. eek!! Will I be able to fit it in? I may need to make a point of leaving most of my standard camping gear at home next trip. GOT to make it to Vintage this time too!! (Hmmm, What does Cass want that she hasn't already bought herself??) Oh, nothing. I have enough roses. ;-P heh, VERY funny! We both had "enough" roses long ago; barely even slows us down. I didn't know Flutterbye was yolky. I think I need to see a Plant in Bloom. Me too. I took a chance. Even if it's yellow, it's okay. My family won't let me get rid of Sunsprite, so it will have company. From the little I saw of the one Julia brought to Mel a couple of years ago, it was a very nice yellow that would look great on your wall of shame. And now I understand why you have hung onto the nearly fluorescent Sunsprite. The Brits have produced dozens of apricoty roses within the past 5 years, and I sure wish we could get our hands on them. A couple of names please? What should I be lusting for? I would start with Great Expectations. But just cruise the Crocker, Harkness and Dickson roses on the English sites. Will do. It is finally SUNNY today and I'm headed out ASAP. Have you noticed Ruby Pendent at the SJHRG? No, and if it's with the minis, I probably won't because there is never enough time to get through that collection. What an understatement. Last year I spent four straight days in the SJHRG. I ran out of endurance each day, and could have kept on like that for weeks. Cass, remember that big spreading bush whose shape you liked along my driveway? It's a Moore cl mi (which ought to root easily): http://www.justourpictures.com/roses...ingjackie.html Wow, great looking. Are those reflexed petals typical (I love them), or is that a special deal in warm weather? Yes, the reflexed petals are typical, and it blooms all season. The longer I have that rose, the more I love it. Regina |
still another batch of roses
Regina wrote: Cass wrote: Regina
wrote: How large is English Garden in your pot? Two feet above soil level after light pruning, with a fairly narrow profile. I suspect it will be taller and bushier this year after having been moved out of the too cold and shady spot it had been in. I've had it a few years and it had always sulked, but once in its new position late last summer, it immediately started pumping out blooms. Mine's the same kind of runt, but the plant that sold me on the rose is a good 3 1/2 or 4 feet. In fact, next winter I have to remember to thin out the canes in the center because it's getting crowded in there. EG is an essential rose for arrangements. Buff goes with everything. Does Climbing Jackie handle the vase, or is it strickly garden material? And Buff Beauty, which Cass knows I've ordered three times now, only to get it scratched before delivery each time; I was hoping it would finally perform for her, under threat of excommunication, but if it has now been potted and exiled, ok, well I am READY. I don't know how it will do here but am most interested to find out. Ya mean I can dig it up? Consider it done. We'll need help getting it in the car, more like you'll a trailer. eek!! Will I be able to fit it in? I may need to make a point of leaving most of my standard camping gear at home next trip. I didn't dig it up, just kidding. Maybe BR next fall? Keep me posted. I do want that space for Celine Forestier, but she's still in a 5 gallon pot and will be for a while. I didn't know Flutterbye was yolky. I think I need to see a Plant in Bloom. Me too. I took a chance. Even if it's yellow, it's okay. My family won't let me get rid of Sunsprite, so it will have company. From the little I saw of the one Julia brought to Mel a couple of years ago, it was a very nice yellow that would look great on your wall of shame. And now I understand why you have hung onto the nearly fluorescent Sunsprite. Actually, it was destined for the blue and yellow garden. We'll see. It's still small. Cass, remember that big spreading bush whose shape you liked along my driveway? It's a Moore cl mi (which ought to root easily): http://www.justourpictures.com/roses...ingjackie.html Wow, great looking. Are those reflexed petals typical (I love them), or is that a special deal in warm weather? Yes, the reflexed petals are typical, and it blooms all season. The longer I have that rose, the more I love it. Yum. |
still another batch of roses
Cass wrote:
Regina wrote: Cass wrote: Regina wrote: How large is English Garden in your pot? Two feet above soil level after light pruning, with a fairly narrow profile. I suspect it will be taller and bushier this year after having been moved out of the too cold and shady spot it had been in. I've had it a few years and it had always sulked, but once in its new position late last summer, it immediately started pumping out blooms. Mine's the same kind of runt, but the plant that sold me on the rose is a good 3 1/2 or 4 feet. Then that's what I'll hope for from mine this year, though the pot sitting on asphalt might limit it. When my pots sit on bare dirt, they thrust their roots down into the soil and attain their full size. In fact, next winter I have to remember to thin out the canes in the center because it's getting crowded in there. EG is an essential rose for arrangements. Buff goes with everything. Does Climbing Jackie handle the vase, or is it strickly garden material? I don't bring things in too often, but I recall that it lasted well. [Buff Beauty] Ya mean I can dig it up? Consider it done. We'll need help getting it in the car, more like you'll a trailer. eek!! Will I be able to fit it in? I may need to make a point of leaving most of my standard camping gear at home next trip. I didn't dig it up, just kidding. heh, good because I will need as much room as possible for the Vintage loot. Maybe BR next fall? Keep me posted. I do want that space for Celine Forestier, but she's still in a 5 gallon pot and will be for a while. BR would be easier I'm sure. Whew!! Though I still hope that it surprises and delights you, if it doesn't, I'll have a place for it. Strange how I hear such varying reports on this one. [Flutterbye] Actually, it was destined for the blue and yellow garden. We'll see. It's still small. It won't be. Fence eating material. Regina |
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