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Nice to see a forum dedicated to roses!!! I just planted my first roses. Some I bought rooted (bare or with soil) and they seem to be fine. But I also planted a few (quite a lot to be honest!) cuttings that someone passed to me. The sucees rate of the cuttings seems to be around 40% and lets hope it does not drop. I heard that cuttings are not the best way to propagate roses because they tend to degenerate and not look like its parent. Is this true? If the problem is there but not very severe (i am not going to be in official competitions!) is there any way of improving success rate? What is the best way to propagate those roses that you really love? I think grafting is a good solution, but I do not think I have the skills :)) but I can learn! Thanks! I might be a newbie in planting roses, but not in loving them! P Zone 9. |
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"P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message
... Hi, Nice to see a forum dedicated to roses!!! I just planted my first roses. Some I bought rooted (bare or with soil) and they seem to be fine. But I also planted a few (quite a lot to be honest!) cuttings that someone passed to me. The sucees rate of the cuttings seems to be around 40% and lets hope it does not drop. Congrats on your new passion. It's addictive. I've had similar success with cuttings, so you're doing well for a newbie. I heard that cuttings are not the best way to propagate roses because they tend to degenerate and not look like its parent. Is this true? It really depends on the variety. Minis and old garden roses, which grow on own roots anyway, don't have that problem. Some moderns can be propagated from cuttings, others not. You just have to try and see what happens. If the problem is there but not very severe (i am not going to be in official competitions!) is there any way of improving success rate? What is the best way to propagate those roses that you really love? First, understand that most modern roses are patented, which means you're not supposed to propagate them. That said, I'm not the rose police, and what you do in your own yard is your business, not mine. I'm just mentioning it. Second, cuttings are very quick to dry out. Whenever I've propagated by cuttings I've kept the "babies" in partial shade and spritzed them with water. Some people make a plastic tent to keep them damp. Check out articles on propagation at the American Rose Society web site: www.ars.org You're in an even hotter zone than I am, so keeping the cuttings from drying out is a priority. Third, patience is the key. I've kept some cuttings in pots for a year before planting in the ground, other cuttings got planted within about 3 months. Again, it depends on the variety. I think grafting is a good solution, but I do not think I have the skills :)) but I can learn! Solution to...?? Roses aren't that expensive, considering how they long they can live. Thanks! I might be a newbie in planting roses, but not in loving them! P Zone 9. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Check-out my posting on own-root and grafted roses. I've done both and I can tell you, grafting has its own set of problems. If you are really interested, check out Steve Singer's website http://www.wiroses.com/index.php He sells rootstock, maiden roses (freshly grafted), as well as a video on how to do "T" bud grafting. Unless you want to grow your own rootstock, Rosa Multiflora or Dr. Huey are the two most popular, it may be just as cheap to buy mature plants from the nursery. I find if I look around after the spring rush, I can find really good deals, often paying much less than $10 for very nice plants. I agree with Gail about own root. I keep mine, (which of course are only started from roses that are off-patent ;) ) in the bag for at least 6 weeks, or until they have a very well developed root system to reduce the risk of desiccation. As I live in the icy north, I winter mine over inside, take them outdoors in a protected area in April and then plant them in late May, after they have toughened up a bit and the risk of frost as passed. Good luck with your new obsession. They can be a source of great pleasure as well as frustration. But then, if you wanted easy, you'd be growing dandy lions. Jeff Southeast Michigan, Zone 5 "Gail Futoran" wrote in message ... "P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Nice to see a forum dedicated to roses!!! I just planted my first roses. Some I bought rooted (bare or with soil) and they seem to be fine. But I also planted a few (quite a lot to be honest!) cuttings that someone passed to me. The sucees rate of the cuttings seems to be around 40% and lets hope it does not drop. Congrats on your new passion. It's addictive. I've had similar success with cuttings, so you're doing well for a newbie. I heard that cuttings are not the best way to propagate roses because they tend to degenerate and not look like its parent. Is this true? It really depends on the variety. Minis and old garden roses, which grow on own roots anyway, don't have that problem. Some moderns can be propagated from cuttings, others not. You just have to try and see what happens. If the problem is there but not very severe (i am not going to be in official competitions!) is there any way of improving success rate? What is the best way to propagate those roses that you really love? First, understand that most modern roses are patented, which means you're not supposed to propagate them. That said, I'm not the rose police, and what you do in your own yard is your business, not mine. I'm just mentioning it. Second, cuttings are very quick to dry out. Whenever I've propagated by cuttings I've kept the "babies" in partial shade and spritzed them with water. Some people make a plastic tent to keep them damp. Check out articles on propagation at the American Rose Society web site: www.ars.org You're in an even hotter zone than I am, so keeping the cuttings from drying out is a priority. Third, patience is the key. I've kept some cuttings in pots for a year before planting in the ground, other cuttings got planted within about 3 months. Again, it depends on the variety. I think grafting is a good solution, but I do not think I have the skills :)) but I can learn! Solution to...?? Roses aren't that expensive, considering how they long they can live. Thanks! I might be a newbie in planting roses, but not in loving them! P Zone 9. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again |
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Tent them, My dad used to use a jar!
"P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again |
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"Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... Tent them, My dad used to use a jar! "P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again I don't think that's necessarily the case (that your cuttings will start to die). In mentioning that I keep my cuttings in pots and let them develop before planting them in the ground, I was describing *my* experience, but I also noted others handle it differently. I presented my experience as one *option* you might consider if your method does not work. That is how we learn. As Jeffrey Kline noted, you can always tent your cuttings in place. I had provided a link to the American Rose Society www.ars.org where there exist free to the public several articles on propagation. I haven't read them in awhile but I seem to recall they present different methods of propagating. You might find the articles useful, or not. Your choice. The neat thing about free advice is that you are free to ignore it if it doesn't work for you. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 USA |
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"Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... Tent them, My dad used to use a jar! Hi, I'm new to this group and love roses. Most non-minis have succumbed to disease (mainly black spot) so we are only growing minis now . What time of year is best to root rose cutting from these minis in zone 6? We have several and would like to increase the number. We also own a small hobby greenhouse. Are there any affordable disease free roses out there? Thanks "P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again |
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I usually start my cuttings after the first bloom, when the blooms have
died-back and the stem is beginning to harden just a bit. I like to cut the stem so there are at least 3 or 4 sets of full leaves, with the stem about the diameter of a pencil. Of course, with mini roses, you may not get a stem quite that size, but you get the idea. I winter mine indoors, so I what till august. If you are going to plant them outside the same year, I might start sooner. As far as disease free roses, any of the care-free group are good, as are many old world and rugosa. Really there are many rose that are low maintenance, however, they often have simpler bloom forms, which are not always what people want. you could check out http://www.pickeringnurseries.com/tw.../web_store.cgi, go to the advanced search option, and select disease resistant roses. Best of luck Jeff Southeast Michigan, zone 5 "Manelli Family" wrote in message ... "Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... Tent them, My dad used to use a jar! Hi, I'm new to this group and love roses. Most non-minis have succumbed to disease (mainly black spot) so we are only growing minis now . What time of year is best to root rose cutting from these minis in zone 6? We have several and would like to increase the number. We also own a small hobby greenhouse. Are there any affordable disease free roses out there? Thanks "P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again |
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"Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... I usually start my cuttings after the first bloom, when the blooms have died-back and the stem is beginning to harden just a bit. I like to cut the stem so there are at least 3 or 4 sets of full leaves, with the stem about the diameter of a pencil. Of course, with mini roses, you may not get a stem quite that size, but you get the idea. I winter mine indoors, so I what till august. If you are going to plant them outside the same year, I might start sooner. As far as disease free roses, any of the care-free group are good, as are many old world and rugosa. Really there are many rose that are low maintenance, however, they often have simpler bloom forms, which are not always what people want. you could check out http://www.pickeringnurseries.com/tw.../web_store.cgi, go to the advanced search option, and select disease resistant roses. Best of luck Jeff Southeast Michigan, zone 5 Thank you for the information. Yes, we have two that they sold us as disease resistant and they are! One blooms all summer and the other on and off. Unfortunately they went out of business when the wife died. We got them 1/2 price because the tags were missing. I will do some research on Google or Yahoo. I'll try the cutting of the minis this summer. "Manelli Family" wrote in message ... "Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... Tent them, My dad used to use a jar! Hi, I'm new to this group and love roses. Most non-minis have succumbed to disease (mainly black spot) so we are only growing minis now . What time of year is best to root rose cutting from these minis in zone 6? We have several and would like to increase the number. We also own a small hobby greenhouse. Are there any affordable disease free roses out there? Thanks "P Alves" alves###paulo@gmail#com wrote in message ... Hi, Thanks for your help. I should start to get ready to see my cuttings die, because I planted them directly in the soil and the weather is getting pretty warm... I will try to prevent them from getting dry. Thanks again |
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"Manelli Family" wrote in message
... "Jeffrey L. Kline" wrote in message . net... I usually start my cuttings after the first bloom, when the blooms have died-back and the stem is beginning to harden just a bit. I like to cut the stem so there are at least 3 or 4 sets of full leaves, with the stem about the diameter of a pencil. Of course, with mini roses, you may not get a stem quite that size, but you get the idea. I winter mine indoors, so I what till august. If you are going to plant them outside the same year, I might start sooner. As far as disease free roses, any of the care-free group are good, as are many old world and rugosa. Really there are many rose that are low maintenance, however, they often have simpler bloom forms, which are not always what people want. you could check out http://www.pickeringnurseries.com/tw.../web_store.cgi, go to the advanced search option, and select disease resistant roses. Best of luck Jeff Southeast Michigan, zone 5 Thank you for the information. Yes, we have two that they sold us as disease resistant and they are! One blooms all summer and the other on and off. Unfortunately they went out of business when the wife died. We got them 1/2 price because the tags were missing. I will do some research on Google or Yahoo. I'll try the cutting of the minis this summer. [snip] In case no one has mentioned this before, a good place to search roses is www.helpmefind.com Not all roses have photos but quite a few do, and you can do an advanced search on various categories (color, bloom type, etc.). Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 USA |
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