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Theo Asir 07-05-2003 07:56 PM

Species Roses
 
Friend of mine lives out
in the country in a well wooded
Hilly Scrubland. Zone 5.

She would love to have some
large roses. Once bloomers are fine.
She's not particularly good @ watering
or maintenance but we get atleast
50 inches of rain every year.

I have so far recommended
R. Mulliganii
R. Rugosa Alba & Rubra
R. Brunonii 'La Mortola'

She would love tree eating
varieties.

I know Mortola is probably iffy
but its worth a shot.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City



Cass 08-05-2003 02:56 AM

Species Roses
 
In article 00e8cfb0af891c031b20a6028b4fa274@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:

Friend of mine lives out in the country in a well wooded Hilly
Scrubland. Zone 5.

She would love to have some large roses. Once bloomers are fine.
She's not particularly good @ watering or maintenance but we get
at least 50 inches of rain every year.

I have so far recommended R. Mulliganii R. Rugosa Alba & Rubra R.
Brunonii 'La Mortola'

She would love tree eating varieties.

I know Mortola is probably iffy but its worth a shot.

Does anyone have any recommendations?


Someone will have to grow these up to at least 5 gallon for her. I
don't see how they would ever establish without watering in the summer
until they get to be a reasonable size.

Chevy Chase (forms a huge shrub here, easy to start in the fall)
Darlow's Enigma (Very unusual plant, species-hybrid looking, growing
like a weed) Kiftsgate Canary Bird (it's yellow) Rosa Setigera (gotta
have it - isn't it native?) Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)

Larry Blanchard 08-05-2003 05:08 AM

Species Roses
 
In article ,
says...
Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)

Yea verily. Mine covers 20 feet of fence and that's with being chopped
back every two or three years.

--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt

Theo Asir 08-05-2003 02:56 PM

Species Roses
 
It is also unfortunately only hardy to Z6-7

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)

Yea verily. Mine covers 20 feet of fence and that's with being chopped
back every two or three years.

--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt




Theo Asir 08-05-2003 03:08 PM

Species Roses
 

"Cass" wrote in message
...
In article 00e8cfb0af891c031b20a6028b4fa274@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:

Friend of mine lives out in the country in a well wooded Hilly
Scrubland. Zone 5.

She would love to have some large roses. Once bloomers are fine.
She's not particularly good @ watering or maintenance but we get
at least 50 inches of rain every year.

I have so far recommended R. Mulliganii R. Rugosa Alba & Rubra R.
Brunonii 'La Mortola'

She would love tree eating varieties.

I know Mortola is probably iffy but its worth a shot.

Does anyone have any recommendations?


Someone will have to grow these up to at least 5 gallon for her. I
don't see how they would ever establish without watering in the summer
until they get to be a reasonable size.

Chevy Chase (forms a huge shrub here, easy to start in the fall)


Is this a fend for itself shrub?

Darlow's Enigma (Very unusual plant, species-hybrid looking, growing
like a weed)


not quite tree eater.
Do you know if its patented?
I could root a cutting.

Kiftsgate

tender

Canary Bird (it's yellow)

Z6 & too thorny?

Rosa Setigera (gotta


Possible.

have it - isn't it native?) Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)


--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City



R & L Porter 08-05-2003 05:08 PM

Species Roses
 

"Theo Asir" wrote in message
news:00e8cfb0af891c031b20a6028b4fa274@TeraNews...
Friend of mine lives out
in the country in a well wooded
Hilly Scrubland. Zone 5.

She would love to have some
large roses. Once bloomers are fine.
She's not particularly good @ watering
or maintenance but we get atleast
50 inches of rain every year.


Theo, by large roses I am assuming you mean
roses that get large as a plant, not large blooms.
With this in mind, and the low to zero maintenance
requirement, AND the zone I would recommend
Rosa Glauca (R. rubrifolia). Single pink flowers
with alarmingly charming golden centers. Beautiful
purplish red canes. Very tough and hardy. The
foliage is also a striking purple/red colour. A really
lovely contrast. I have this one, however it is
only on its second year, so I can't make any promises
as to eventual size. But I will say that up here, and
you know that our winters are long and tough, albeit
with lots of snow cover, it suffered absolutely no winter-
kill this year. It is still a baby, but I have high hopes.
Books promise up to 14 feet, but I am going to
be a pessimist and say 6-9 feet in my climate. But
we shall see.

Remember that this is a once-bloomer, but I think the
colour of the canes and leaves are beautiful in and of
themselves. But then again, I am a desperado when it
comes to roses!
Here's a short-cut to Clara's site that might be
helpful:
http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=10650

Another species rose that I am growing is Rosa Hugonis
otherwise known as Father Hugo's Rose. It is a
yellow and fern-like in its growth. What can I say, that
is what first comes to mind.
http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=2717

The only other species
that I have is R. Cantabrig... something or other. Don't
know the correct spelling at this moment. Similar to
Father Hugo. Both are also still babies, but there is
little to report aside from hardiness. As you can tell,
right now R. Rubrifolia is my favourite, but the other
two did come highly recommended by experienced
rosarians in a similar cold climate.

Laura



Larry Blanchard 08-05-2003 05:20 PM

Species Roses
 
In article dd2ff134947faa670aeffe20dcf2dcd8@TeraNews,
says...

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)

Yea verily. Mine covers 20 feet of fence and that's with being chopped
back every two or three years.


It is also unfortunately only hardy to Z6-7


Strange. I'm in zone 5 (Spokane WA) and mine has been thriving for about
12 years now. And we've had some pretty horrific winters here that have
killed some other roses (like Dortmund).

--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt

dave weil 08-05-2003 06:32 PM

Species Roses
 
On Thu, 08 May 2003 14:06:11 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote:


"Cass" wrote in message
.. .
In article 00e8cfb0af891c031b20a6028b4fa274@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:

Friend of mine lives out in the country in a well wooded Hilly
Scrubland. Zone 5.

She would love to have some large roses. Once bloomers are fine.
She's not particularly good @ watering or maintenance but we get
at least 50 inches of rain every year.

I have so far recommended R. Mulliganii R. Rugosa Alba & Rubra R.
Brunonii 'La Mortola'

She would love tree eating varieties.

I know Mortola is probably iffy but its worth a shot.

Does anyone have any recommendations?


Someone will have to grow these up to at least 5 gallon for her. I
don't see how they would ever establish without watering in the summer
until they get to be a reasonable size.

Chevy Chase (forms a huge shrub here, easy to start in the fall)


Is this a fend for itself shrub?

Darlow's Enigma (Very unusual plant, species-hybrid looking, growing
like a weed)


not quite tree eater.
Do you know if its patented?
I could root a cutting.

Kiftsgate

tender

Canary Bird (it's yellow)

Z6 & too thorny?

Rosa Setigera (gotta


Possible.

have it - isn't it native?) Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)


You guys *knew* that I had to throw in my favorite (and only) species
rose, R. eglanteria (Sweet Briar).

Here's the link of my photo gallery again. You'll find pics starting
at number 47 - just use the drop down menu. 47 is the first bloom of
this season, on or about 4.21. It's still loaded with blooms, so I
figure that it's good for a good month of blooming from start to
finish. The last shot, number 52, shows it approximately the same time
in May last year (its second season). The size? About 3 1/2 feet by 7
ft.

Yes, it's a once bloomer and it's *very* thorny. Makes a great hedge.
As you can see, it's a fast grower as well...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/index.htm

Here are two shots from today.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...riar5.8.03.jpg

This angle shows a width of 16 feet. Height is about 6 1/2 feet.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...iar5.8.03a.jpg

This angle shows a width of 10 feet. As you can tell, it's sort of
oblong, with the wide side growing due east facing the sun directly.

dave weil 08-05-2003 06:56 PM

Species Roses
 

You guys *knew* that I had to throw in my favorite (and only) species
rose, R. eglanteria (Sweet Briar).

Here's the link of my photo gallery again. You'll find pics starting
at number 47 - just use the drop down menu. 47 is the first bloom of
this season, on or about 4.21. It's still loaded with blooms, so I
figure that it's good for a good month of blooming from start to
finish. The last shot, number 52, shows it approximately the same time
in May last year (its second season). The size? About 3 1/2 feet by 7
ft.

Yes, it's a once bloomer and it's *very* thorny. Makes a great hedge.
As you can see, it's a fast grower as well...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/index.htm


I should say that I don't have all of my index pages up on the web
site. Therefore you can't just use the arrow to navigate. Just click
the first image and you'll get a drop down menu with each of the
images listed. Then you can go directly to the indicated images. Once
you're in an image, you *can* use the arrows.

Here are two shots from today.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...riar5.8.03.jpg

This angle shows a width of 16 feet. Height is about 6 1/2 feet.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...iar5.8.03a.jpg

This angle shows a width of 10 feet. As you can tell, it's sort of
oblong, with the wide side growing due east facing the sun directly.



dave weil 08-05-2003 07:31 PM

Species Roses
 
On Thu, 08 May 2003 12:58:56 -0500, dave weil
wrote:


You guys *knew* that I had to throw in my favorite (and only) species
rose, R. eglanteria (Sweet Briar).

Here's the link of my photo gallery again. You'll find pics starting
at number 47 - just use the drop down menu. 47 is the first bloom of
this season, on or about 4.21. It's still loaded with blooms, so I
figure that it's good for a good month of blooming from start to
finish. The last shot, number 52, shows it approximately the same time
in May last year (its second season). The size? About 3 1/2 feet by 7
ft.

Yes, it's a once bloomer and it's *very* thorny. Makes a great hedge.
As you can see, it's a fast grower as well...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/index.htm


I should say that I don't have all of my index pages up on the web
site. Therefore you can't just use the arrow to navigate. Just click
the first image and you'll get a drop down menu with each of the
images listed. Then you can go directly to the indicated images. Once
you're in an image, you *can* use the arrows.


Here's a better link, I think:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/Dave's%20Gardens.htm

Cass 09-05-2003 05:56 AM

Species Roses
 
Theo Asir wrote:
"Cass" wrote


Chevy Chase (forms a huge shrub here, easy to start in the fall)


Is this a fend for itself shrub?


Yes, but it will turn into a thicket. 15 ft. canes are the norm, about
15 per year.

Darlow's Enigma (Very unusual plant, species-hybrid looking,
growing like a weed)


not quite tree eater. Do you know if its patented? I could root a
cutting.


It's a found rose, not patented. Sequoia sells it cheap. Don't know how
early you'd need to buy it to get it ready for winter. Beautiful
foliage, darkest possible narrow green, reminds me of rubrifolia. You
need it, so get 2.

Cass 09-05-2003 05:56 AM

Species Roses
 
dave weil wrote:

You guys *knew* that I had to throw in my favorite (and only) species
rose, R. eglanteria (Sweet Briar).

Here are two shots from today.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...riar5.8.03.jpg

This angle shows a width of 16 feet. Height is about 6 1/2 feet.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...iar5.8.03a.jpg

This angle shows a width of 10 feet. As you can tell, it's sort of
oblong, with the wide side growing due east facing the sun directly.


Nice shots, Dave. Great plant, love the scent of the leaves.

Cass 09-05-2003 06:08 AM

Species Roses
 
R & L Porter wrote:

I would recommend
Rosa Glauca (R. rubrifolia).

http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=10650


I really like that rose. Goes on the list.

R & L Porter 09-05-2003 06:44 PM

Species Roses
 

"Henry" wrote in message
. ..

I saw it a lot in England and decided then that I wanted one. While I
wouldn't call the flowers showy, they are quite pretty, if a bit
fleeting. The color of the leaves goes well with the greener greens in
a border. Some days it looks more red/purple than others. We've got
ours in the back of a border with blue, purple, and white flowering
perennials in front which I think looks nice.

Pictures from this morning here (along with the rugosas just starting to
bloom):

http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/


Thanks for the nice pics. How old is your rose? I am eager for
mine to grow.

Laura



Henry 09-05-2003 07:44 PM

Species Roses
 
R & L Porter wrote:
"Henry" wrote

I saw it a lot in England and decided then that I wanted one. While I
wouldn't call the flowers showy, they are quite pretty, if a bit
fleeting.


Thanks for the nice pics. How old is your rose? I am eager for
mine to grow.


It was planted in 1997 but it's probably not as big as it would be in
full sun. It gets between 4 and 5 hours a day.

--
Henry


Henry 12-05-2003 02:56 AM

Species Roses
 
Cass wrote:
R & L Porter wrote:


I would recommend
Rosa Glauca (R. rubrifolia).

http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=10650



I really like that rose. Goes on the list.


I saw it a lot in England and decided then that I wanted one. While I
wouldn't call the flowers showy, they are quite pretty, if a bit
fleeting. The color of the leaves goes well with the greener greens in
a border. Some days it looks more red/purple than others. We've got
ours in the back of a border with blue, purple, and white flowering
perennials in front which I think looks nice.

Pictures from this morning here (along with the rugosas just starting to
bloom):

http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/

--
Henry



lms 12-05-2003 04:08 AM

Species Roses
 
In article ,
says...

In article dd2ff134947faa670aeffe20dcf2dcd8@TeraNews,
says...

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Rosa Soulieana (my favorite species at the
San Jose Heritage Rose Garden)

Yea verily. Mine covers 20 feet of fence and that's with being chopped
back every two or three years.


It is also unfortunately only hardy to Z6-7


Strange. I'm in zone 5 (Spokane WA) and mine has been thriving for about
12 years now. And we've had some pretty horrific winters here that have
killed some other roses (like Dortmund).


Strange, this is the first hardiness complaint I've ever heard about this
rose, I consider it nails. It's from Kordes of Germany, who's known for
tough roses not least of all. It's not rare for it to get below zero here but
single digits are regular as the wind and the dust which hits Oklahoma ten
hours after it blows through here.
Dortmund would today be a lot bigger if I had ten years ago allowed it to have
its every little way-- the thing is, I need to walk out there and it would
throw these twelve footers every damn way sideways. There is only one rule for
the 5-rose mountain of Nevada, Austrian Copper, Carefree Wonder, Raz Ice and
Dortmund and that is, there is no blocking the path. I'm the one with the
metal blades.


--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt


a line used by one of the Daisy Chicks to Diane Sawyer. idiots should just
leave the Daisies alone. If Teddy Roosevelt weren't the great white hunter
who liked to shoot any innocent defenseless African creature that moved, I
might today think highly of him. but those are the actions of just another rich
prick and it regrettably overshadows any good thing I might have to think
about im.

m



R & L Porter 12-05-2003 04:08 PM

Species Roses
 

"lms" wrote in message
...
In article ,


Strange. I'm in zone 5 (Spokane WA) and mine has been thriving for about
12 years now. And we've had some pretty horrific winters here that have
killed some other roses (like Dortmund).


Strange, this is the first hardiness complaint I've ever heard about this
rose, I consider it nails. It's from Kordes of Germany, who's known for
tough roses not least of all. It's not rare for it to get below zero here

but
single digits are regular as the wind and the dust which hits Oklahoma ten
hours after it blows through here.


This is the first time I too have heard a hardiness complaint about
Dortmund. In fact, Cornhill Nursery in zone 4, up here in N.B.
Canada sells it, and they only sell the toughest roses. They do
warn that it will suffer some die-back, but bounce back.
Maybe the rose was suffering other problems and the cold finished
it off.

Laura



Theo Asir 12-05-2003 04:08 PM

Species Roses
 
I've never grown it
never tried it, on the
other hand I've never
seen it around here either.

Climbers have to be particularly hardy to
survive the once in 5 years -20F spell
that hits us.

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City


"R & L Porter" wrote in message
...

"lms" wrote in message
...
In article ,




Strange. I'm in zone 5 (Spokane WA) and mine has been thriving for

about
12 years now. And we've had some pretty horrific winters here that

have
killed some other roses (like Dortmund).


Strange, this is the first hardiness complaint I've ever heard about

this
rose, I consider it nails. It's from Kordes of Germany, who's known for
tough roses not least of all. It's not rare for it to get below zero

here
but
single digits are regular as the wind and the dust which hits Oklahoma

ten
hours after it blows through here.


This is the first time I too have heard a hardiness complaint about
Dortmund. In fact, Cornhill Nursery in zone 4, up here in N.B.
Canada sells it, and they only sell the toughest roses. They do
warn that it will suffer some die-back, but bounce back.
Maybe the rose was suffering other problems and the cold finished
it off.

Laura





Larry Blanchard 12-05-2003 04:08 PM

Species Roses
 
In article ,
says...

This is the first time I too have heard a hardiness complaint about
Dortmund. In fact, Cornhill Nursery in zone 4, up here in N.B.
Canada sells it, and they only sell the toughest roses. They do
warn that it will suffer some die-back, but bounce back.
Maybe the rose was suffering other problems and the cold finished
it off.

That's quite possible. It was quite a few years back, so my memory may
not be as detailed as it should. I don't remember a problem before
winter, but there may have been one that was not apparent.

--
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we
are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Teddy Roosevelt


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