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I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
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wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. Give us an idea of what we're working with, and we can give you some suggestions. -- -=- Cass USDA Zone 9 Left Coast www.rosefog.us |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
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In article , Rose wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? I live in Zone 5, near South Bend, IN. The rosebush has no name - I'm not sure if my grandfather made a hybrid (he was trained in agriculture) or this is simply a kind of old-fashioned bush. I'll see if I can find a picture close to it out here on the internet. I'm betting it's some kind of an old-fashioned though. The roses are hot/deep pink in color with yellow centers and the blooms can get as large as a luncheon-sized plate. They open completely. They do smell wonderful and that scent carries on the wind for quite a distance. Her neighbors have told her how much they enjoy smelling it. Right now the bush is huge. My sister thinks there are more than 500 blossoms on this bush. It is literally starting to cover a good part of the back of her house. There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. I'm also wondering about planting soil. I live not too far from a creek (about 500 yards) and the soil around me is a clay composition. How should I amend the soil for planting the shoots? Give us an idea of what we're working with, and we can give you some suggestions. I hope the above helps. And many thanks for your help. Rose |
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Starting a new climbing rosebush
It seems to be the consensus around
here that you should avoid fertilizer-treated soil like MiracleGro. Just out of curiosity, why? Besides its being ridiculously expensive... I have used this stuff from time to time, especially with my potted roses. _Thorn_ |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:35:42 -0400, "Ol' Thornfinger"
wrote: It seems to be the consensus around here that you should avoid fertilizer-treated soil like MiracleGro. Just out of curiosity, why? Besides its being ridiculously expensive... I have used this stuff from time to time, especially with my potted roses. _Thorn_ There's nothing "wrong" with MiracleGro and it's ilk--the water soluable fertilizers--they deliver some of the essential chemical compounds roses and other plants need. I think any problems may lie in using this type of fertilizer to the exclusion of all other kinds, for two reasons that I can think of. The first is that there may be a buildup of salt and salt compounds; the second is the fact that roses need "organic" nutrients too, for reasons akin to those for why WE need whole foods and not just chemical extracts such as vitamin supplements. There are minor trace elements and minerals present in the whole foods that we know are beneficial--and then there is the fact that roses, like people, just plain DO better when given whole "foods." For us it might be Branola, for them a nice chunky manure and maybe some alfalfa, leaf mold, etc. An "unofficial" reason, for me: I used MiracleGro type stuff for the first couple of years, and never saw dramatic growth like basal shoots that actually increase the number of big, healthy canes. Once I started using MIll's MIx (alfalfa, sludge, other whole stuff) I did see dramatic growth and more blooms. Was it the MIlls or was it the fact that most of my roses were in their third and fourth years? I don't know. Probably both. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:35:42 -0400, "Ol' Thornfinger"
wrote: It seems to be the consensus around here that you should avoid fertilizer-treated soil like MiracleGro. Just out of curiosity, why? Besides its being ridiculously expensive... I have used this stuff from time to time, especially with my potted roses. _Thorn_ Damn. Sorry about the first post, I was speed reading again! The only time I have heard people say NOT to use the treated soil is when the subject is planting bare roots, which should not be fertilized until they have a few inches of top growth. There should not be a problem with planting potted roses in this stuff. |
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In article , Rose
wrote: Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? I live in Zone 5, near South Bend, IN. The rosebush has no name - I'm not sure if my grandfather made a hybrid (he was trained in agriculture) or this is simply a kind of old-fashioned bush. I'll see if I can find a picture close to it out here on the internet. I'm betting it's some kind of an old-fashioned though. The roses are hot/deep pink in color with yellow centers and the blooms can get as large as a luncheon-sized plate. They open completely. They do smell wonderful and that scent carries on the wind for quite a distance. Her neighbors have told her how much they enjoy smelling it. Right now the bush is huge. My sister thinks there are more than 500 blossoms on this bush. It is literally starting to cover a good part of the back of her house. There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. I'm also wondering about planting soil. I live not too far from a creek (about 500 yards) and the soil around me is a clay composition. How should I amend the soil for planting the shoots? Are you talking about digging up a sucker, with roots? I would go to a local plant nursery and mooch a free 5 gallon pot. Fill it with the most extravagant soil you can concoct. Your native clay is probably rich, if it's from a creekbed. Lighten it with compost or soil amendment so that it drains easily. That can take up to a 50 - 50 blend. Dig up a cane from as far from the plant as possible. That way it is most likely to have a few feeder roots. It is probably attached to the mother plant by a big, thick, woody root. Take as much of that root as you can possibly fit in the pot. Cut the top off the cane, leaving it about a foot long. Bury it in the pot deep - as deep as possible and still leaving about 4 bud eyes above the soil. Put this pot out in the full sun -- but you have to do something very important: you need to spritz the can with water twice a day and more if you think about it. You can cover it with a clear or milky liter soda bottle with the bottom cut off, making a miniature greenhouse. This is not necessary, probably, given your humidities. It works well in off seasons to gather heat. Don't apply fertilizer at all during this process. Then wait. Wait until after you see not only leaves but new stems about 3 inches long. It can take several months. It can take a really long time. That when you have a new rose, especially if you see little white feeder roots coming out of the drain holes. You should put it in the ground by August, with any luck. And you might need to give it some winter protection this winter. You should also probably try alternative methods of taking softwood cuttings from this bloom cycle. Read about it at the American Rose Society website - ars.org I like the oasis method. Choose stems that have flowered and are about as big around as a cheap Papermate pen - even a little smaller. Trim off the flowers and keep only about 5 or 10 leaves - and cut those in half. The stems should be about 6 to 10 inches long, with two or three growth nodes in the oasis and at least two above the oasis. You can get oasis at hardware stores or crafts stores. Keep the cutting out of direct light and keep the cutting sprtized. Mine is in the kitchen and I douse it every time I think about it. When you see roots growing out of the oasis, put the whole plant, oasis and all, in a 1 gallon pot of good soil. Don't rely on top growth - it's roots you want. Read the article at the rose site for details. It with a group about propagation. Here's a cutting in progress about a month now: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Oasis.jpg Don't worry if the leaves fall off. Some roses do that - most, in fact. As long as the stem is green, you're in business. I'd also simultaneously try two or three softwood cuttings in that good garden soil with a soda bottle greenhouse. You need to water it every day. Some roses won't root in oasis and will take right off in old garden soil. This way, you have three shots at propagating the rose. If you have a summer veggie garden that gets daily water, that is a terrific place to propagate rose cuttings. -- -=- Cass USDA Zone 9 Left Coast www.rosefog.us |
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Starting a new climbing rosebush
Rose wrote:
The original poster asked: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Then Henry said: An easy way, particularly on a climber and when you have "long-term" access to the rose (as it sounds like you do) is to "layer" the rose. The trick here is to get the rose to root a stem without cutting the stem off first. Take a cane and lie it down on the ground. With your thumbnail, score the cane over a short bit, a couple inches should work fine. Bury that scored section of the cane in the ground or in a pot and hold it down with a rock or bamboo canes bent back on themselves. It needs to be well buried, say three or four inches. Keep the are watered as you do the rest of the garden. If it dries out, particularly after roots have started forming, they will die and you'll have to start over. If you have rooting hormone, you can use that but since there's less rush with this method, it's not really necessary. Just let it stay like that and eventually, you will have another plant. Wait at least two months before checking for roots. Cut the stem below where you buried it (on the side towards the "mother plant") and dig it up. Henry, this is the first propagation method that actually sounds attractive enough that I want to try it. Have you done this much, and what sort of results have you had? With more rigid roses, air layering is an option. In this case, you wrap the area where you want roots to grow in wet sphagnum moss and then with plastic. I've seen this, and it looks more complicate, but still better than budding. By the way, your posts do not show up in teranews, so I miss a lot of them. Cotse has been down lately and I hate reading in OE. -- Henry |
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"Ol' Thornfinger" wrote in message ...
It seems to be the consensus around here that you should avoid fertilizer-treated soil like MiracleGro. Just out of curiosity, why? Why try for an off-shoot of this rosebush? Or are you talking about the MiracleGro? Besides its being ridiculously expensive... I have used this stuff from time to time, especially with my potted roses. _Thorn_ To answer the first question: because Grandpa grew them. He gave them as gifts to his daughters to be passed down. The eldest had no children and the second daughter's family is currently being ravaged by Huntington's Korea. My mother and our family are the only ones left to pass this on to. Family means a lot to us. While we don't live in the past (Grandma would have had a fit if we had ever done that), we do honor our ancestors and the heritage that they have passed on to us. As for the MiracleGro, well, I have no answer. Rose |
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(Rose) writes: I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. Since you've already tried rooting it yourself, you might try the local rose society. There may be someone there who would be willing to try some cuttings for you. I believe this is the link to the District that covers your area: http://www.ars.org/explore.cfm/illinddistrict/ Julie Thanks for the idea. I'll look through it and see if I get lucky. Rose |
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Thanks, Cass! I'll print this out and give it a try.
Question, If I take the sucker with roots, should I wait until after the plant stops blooming? Rose Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? I live in Zone 5, near South Bend, IN. The rosebush has no name - I'm not sure if my grandfather made a hybrid (he was trained in agriculture) or this is simply a kind of old-fashioned bush. I'll see if I can find a picture close to it out here on the internet. I'm betting it's some kind of an old-fashioned though. The roses are hot/deep pink in color with yellow centers and the blooms can get as large as a luncheon-sized plate. They open completely. They do smell wonderful and that scent carries on the wind for quite a distance. Her neighbors have told her how much they enjoy smelling it. Right now the bush is huge. My sister thinks there are more than 500 blossoms on this bush. It is literally starting to cover a good part of the back of her house. There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. I'm also wondering about planting soil. I live not too far from a creek (about 500 yards) and the soil around me is a clay composition. How should I amend the soil for planting the shoots? Are you talking about digging up a sucker, with roots? I would go to a local plant nursery and mooch a free 5 gallon pot. Fill it with the most extravagant soil you can concoct. Your native clay is probably rich, if it's from a creekbed. Lighten it with compost or soil amendment so that it drains easily. That can take up to a 50 - 50 blend. Dig up a cane from as far from the plant as possible. That way it is most likely to have a few feeder roots. It is probably attached to the mother plant by a big, thick, woody root. Take as much of that root as you can possibly fit in the pot. Cut the top off the cane, leaving it about a foot long. Bury it in the pot deep - as deep as possible and still leaving about 4 bud eyes above the soil. Put this pot out in the full sun -- but you have to do something very important: you need to spritz the can with water twice a day and more if you think about it. You can cover it with a clear or milky liter soda bottle with the bottom cut off, making a miniature greenhouse. This is not necessary, probably, given your humidities. It works well in off seasons to gather heat. Don't apply fertilizer at all during this process. Then wait. Wait until after you see not only leaves but new stems about 3 inches long. It can take several months. It can take a really long time. That when you have a new rose, especially if you see little white feeder roots coming out of the drain holes. You should put it in the ground by August, with any luck. And you might need to give it some winter protection this winter. You should also probably try alternative methods of taking softwood cuttings from this bloom cycle. Read about it at the American Rose Society website - ars.org I like the oasis method. Choose stems that have flowered and are about as big around as a cheap Papermate pen - even a little smaller. Trim off the flowers and keep only about 5 or 10 leaves - and cut those in half. The stems should be about 6 to 10 inches long, with two or three growth nodes in the oasis and at least two above the oasis. You can get oasis at hardware stores or crafts stores. Keep the cutting out of direct light and keep the cutting sprtized. Mine is in the kitchen and I douse it every time I think about it. When you see roots growing out of the oasis, put the whole plant, oasis and all, in a 1 gallon pot of good soil. Don't rely on top growth - it's roots you want. Read the article at the rose site for details. It with a group about propagation. Here's a cutting in progress about a month now: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Oasis.jpg Don't worry if the leaves fall off. Some roses do that - most, in fact. As long as the stem is green, you're in business. I'd also simultaneously try two or three softwood cuttings in that good garden soil with a soda bottle greenhouse. You need to water it every day. Some roses won't root in oasis and will take right off in old garden soil. This way, you have three shots at propagating the rose. If you have a summer veggie garden that gets daily water, that is a terrific place to propagate rose cuttings. |
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In article , Rose
wrote: Thanks, Cass! I'll print this out and give it a try. Question, If I take the sucker with roots, should I wait until after the plant stops blooming? No, grab one any time you can, the sooner the better. You need to get crackin' before winter. But don't leave blooms on the part you take. Flowers are supposed to require a lot of moisture, and you're going to put enough stress on this little sucker. Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? I live in Zone 5, near South Bend, IN. The rosebush has no name - I'm not sure if my grandfather made a hybrid (he was trained in agriculture) or this is simply a kind of old-fashioned bush. I'll see if I can find a picture close to it out here on the internet. I'm betting it's some kind of an old-fashioned though. The roses are hot/deep pink in color with yellow centers and the blooms can get as large as a luncheon-sized plate. They open completely. They do smell wonderful and that scent carries on the wind for quite a distance. Her neighbors have told her how much they enjoy smelling it. Right now the bush is huge. My sister thinks there are more than 500 blossoms on this bush. It is literally starting to cover a good part of the back of her house. There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. I'm also wondering about planting soil. I live not too far from a creek (about 500 yards) and the soil around me is a clay composition. How should I amend the soil for planting the shoots? Are you talking about digging up a sucker, with roots? I would go to a local plant nursery and mooch a free 5 gallon pot. Fill it with the most extravagant soil you can concoct. Your native clay is probably rich, if it's from a creekbed. Lighten it with compost or soil amendment so that it drains easily. That can take up to a 50 - 50 blend. Dig up a cane from as far from the plant as possible. That way it is most likely to have a few feeder roots. It is probably attached to the mother plant by a big, thick, woody root. Take as much of that root as you can possibly fit in the pot. Cut the top off the cane, leaving it about a foot long. Bury it in the pot deep - as deep as possible and still leaving about 4 bud eyes above the soil. Put this pot out in the full sun -- but you have to do something very important: you need to spritz the can with water twice a day and more if you think about it. You can cover it with a clear or milky liter soda bottle with the bottom cut off, making a miniature greenhouse. This is not necessary, probably, given your humidities. It works well in off seasons to gather heat. Don't apply fertilizer at all during this process. Then wait. Wait until after you see not only leaves but new stems about 3 inches long. It can take several months. It can take a really long time. That when you have a new rose, especially if you see little white feeder roots coming out of the drain holes. You should put it in the ground by August, with any luck. And you might need to give it some winter protection this winter. You should also probably try alternative methods of taking softwood cuttings from this bloom cycle. Read about it at the American Rose Society website - ars.org I like the oasis method. Choose stems that have flowered and are about as big around as a cheap Papermate pen - even a little smaller. Trim off the flowers and keep only about 5 or 10 leaves - and cut those in half. The stems should be about 6 to 10 inches long, with two or three growth nodes in the oasis and at least two above the oasis. You can get oasis at hardware stores or crafts stores. Keep the cutting out of direct light and keep the cutting sprtized. Mine is in the kitchen and I douse it every time I think about it. When you see roots growing out of the oasis, put the whole plant, oasis and all, in a 1 gallon pot of good soil. Don't rely on top growth - it's roots you want. Read the article at the rose site for details. It with a group about propagation. Here's a cutting in progress about a month now: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Oasis.jpg Don't worry if the leaves fall off. Some roses do that - most, in fact. As long as the stem is green, you're in business. I'd also simultaneously try two or three softwood cuttings in that good garden soil with a soda bottle greenhouse. You need to water it every day. Some roses won't root in oasis and will take right off in old garden soil. This way, you have three shots at propagating the rose. If you have a summer veggie garden that gets daily water, that is a terrific place to propagate rose cuttings. |
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[[snipage - about layering roses]] Shiva wrote: Henry, this is the first propagation method that actually sounds attractive enough that I want to try it. Have you done this much, and what sort of results have you had? I've not done it much but I've had success with it. When I take cuttings, they tend either to dry out or get infected with fungus and die (i.e. either not enough or too much water). With this method, you can pretty much leave them alone and not have to worry about them much. Since the stem is still being fed from the mother plant, you don't have to worry about keeping it fed and since it is open to the air, it's less likely to get moldy. It may take longer but what's the rush? With more rigid roses, air layering is an option. In this case, you wrap the area where you want roots to grow in wet sphagnum moss and then with plastic. I've seen this, and it looks more complicate, but still better than budding. This isn't as hard as it sounds. I'm getting set to do this in the next week or so. I'll take pictures to try to illustrate the process and post them on the web. By the way, your posts do not show up in teranews, so I miss a lot of them. Cotse has been down lately and I hate reading in OE. I wondered about that. Posts from home weren't showing up at work and visa versa. If this one makes it (from home), then I'll know the falt is at the news server at work. They do seem to show up in google eventually. -- Henry |
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By the way, your posts do not show up in teranews, so I miss a lot of
them. Cotse has been down lately and I hate reading in OE. I wondered about that. Posts from home weren't showing up at work and visa versa. If this one makes it (from home), then I'll know the falt is at the news server at work. They do seem to show up in google eventually. -- Henry Hi Henry, Just letting you know that I saw this post (and your other reply) but not your original post. Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
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(Rose) wrote in message . com...
I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose |
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On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote:
(Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 |
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On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote:
(Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose PS, beautiful rose! |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 I concur. It does look amazingly healthy. My neighbhor purchased one are the movie and it has been an absolute dog. Disease after disease. Can't figure it out. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
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"Theo Asir" writes:
My neighbhor purchased one are the movie and it has been an absolute dog. Disease after disease. Can't figure it out. Everything I've read on American Beauty mentions it suseptibility to disease from Blackspot, to powdery mildew, to rust. |
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(Rose) writes: Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm I'll agree it looks very similar to American Beauty. Very possible ID. That rose is still available at several reputable sellers. If you aren't able to get cuttings rooted you can buy one. It isn't quite the same as having a piece of your grandfather's plant, but it's better than losing it entirely. This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie |
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"Unique Too" wrote in message ... In article , (Rose) writes: Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm I'll agree it looks very similar to American Beauty. Very possible ID. That rose is still available at several reputable sellers. If you aren't able to get cuttings rooted you can buy one. It isn't quite the same as having a piece of your grandfather's plant, but it's better than losing it entirely. This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Um! Julie, Having a bad typo day :- -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose PS, beautiful rose! Thanks! Grandpa was very proud of it. He used to take some of the roses to the county fair and won the grand prize 3 times in a rose. According to my aunt, he got to told not to bring some to enter the next time so someone else could win. :-) Rose |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 That does look like it. And it does fit with my aunt's recollections. So, we'll call it the American Beauty rose. I wonder what the average lifespan of this rose is. Goodness knows this one's been around a good, long while. Rose |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
"Theo Asir" wrote in message news:c86fa74cf50fad98085b5ef2a62a3d2c@TeraNews.. .
"dave weil" wrote in message ... On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 I concur. It does look amazingly healthy. My neighbhor purchased one are the movie and it has been an absolute dog. Disease after disease. Can't figure it out. Wonder if the older ones are more disease resistant than the newer ones. Of course, this one's seen quite a bit of disease and more but it loves an east facing. That's something I'll keep in mind as I try for another rosebush. Rose |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
In article , Rose
wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm Rose, does this rose repeat or bloom only once in the spring? And does it have a rich scent? |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
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In article , Rose wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm Rose, does this rose repeat or bloom only once in the spring? This bush does bloom again when the weather turns cooler - say September/October. But it doesn't bloom as profusely. And does it have a rich scent? Very. It's the classic rose scent. Reminds me of Victorian times. Rose |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
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In article , (Rose) writes: Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm I'll agree it looks very similar to American Beauty. Very possible ID. That rose is still available at several reputable sellers. If you aren't able to get cuttings rooted you can buy one. It isn't quite the same as having a piece of your grandfather's plant, but it's better than losing it entirely. This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Thanks for the idea, Julie, but I really wanted it off of Grandpa's. The pic is nice though but the roses are too light in color. Grandpa's is a hot pink. Rose |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
In article 9672e796bc12168d4e4c00070b4bbe91@TeraNews, "Theo Asir"
writes: This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Um! Julie, Having a bad typo day :- Can't even blame that one on a typo, I can't even copy and paste! Since Rose isn't interested in buying one, I won't bother trying again. Who knows what I'd post this time. |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
(Unique Too) wrote in message ...
In article 9672e796bc12168d4e4c00070b4bbe91@TeraNews, "Theo Asir" writes: This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Um! Julie, Having a bad typo day :- Can't even blame that one on a typo, I can't even copy and paste! Since Rose isn't interested in buying one, I won't bother trying again. Who knows what I'd post this time. Julie, I had a thought. Do you think a local nursery might start a rosebush for me? Do you or anyone know if any nursery has ever done this kind of thing and, if so, how much it might cost? Rose (who just might get on the phone and find out) |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
Rose your best bet would be to contact a local consulting rosarian. They are usually more than willing to help at stuff like this. Maybe they can root a few extra for their raffles. Nurseries typically produce budded roses by a long multi year process. These roses are produced in Texas & Califirnia typically. They are then shipped around the country. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Rose" wrote in message om... (Unique Too) wrote in message ... In article 9672e796bc12168d4e4c00070b4bbe91@TeraNews, "Theo Asir" writes: This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Um! Julie, Having a bad typo day :- Can't even blame that one on a typo, I can't even copy and paste! Since Rose isn't interested in buying one, I won't bother trying again. Who knows what I'd post this time. Julie, I had a thought. Do you think a local nursery might start a rosebush for me? Do you or anyone know if any nursery has ever done this kind of thing and, if so, how much it might cost? Rose (who just might get on the phone and find out) |
Starting a new climbing rosebush
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Starting a new climbing rosebush
(Unique Too) wrote in message ...
In article , (Rose) writes: I had a thought. Do you think a local nursery might start a rosebush for me? Do you or anyone know if any nursery has ever done this kind of thing and, if so, how much it might cost? I think a consulting rosarian would be more likely to help. But I do know Giles used to graft roses for people. I don't remember the costs involved, but they were reasonable. If you try that route a small nursery that grows their own plants would be your best bet. If you have a "mom 'n pop" one in your area, it wouldn't hurt to try. Julie I know of a couple of good "mom 'n pop" operations around here. I'll try them. I also think I'll try Cass's suggestions on trying it myself. Can't hurt to go both ways. Many thanks to all of you for your help. At least now I have a direction to go in. Rose |
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