Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

dave weil wrote:

I'm curious about the details of that pruning method that some Brits
use for bushes. You know, the one where you just make a straight cut
across the middle top of the bush. Does anyone have any details about
it? Where do you choose your line? Do you do any other "lateral"
pruning. Etc. Etc.

My big Aloha is getting rangy and "tall growing" instead of its normal
bush form. I'd like to get it back to normal if possible. It's now
about 10 feet tall in the middle but looks sparse on the side. It used
to be really round. If this odd pruning method can help, I'm game. My
previous pruning methods haven't really helped the shape of the bush.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:49:03 -0400, Julie
wrote:

Dave,

Have you looked at these sites? Maybe you'll find your answers in one
of them.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_grapes.html

I believe that this is the article that Mr. Double fianlly posted.

http://www.which.net/gardeningwhich/...ga304t305.html

I believe the "gardens" you were referring to is the Royal National
Rose Society. Seems their website is down, or has moved. It used to
be rnrs.org

I'll keep my eye out for it. Seems like there would be some sort of
final judgment regarding the effacy, although, as I noted, one of the
most successful "rose guy for hire" around these parts uses this sort
of method. He simply goes back in the spring and cleans up whatever
winter dieback there happens to be, just like you do when you use the
traditional pruning.

Thanks for the help...

In article , dave weil
writes
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:


bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news. bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-
nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshosting.com!nx02.i ad01.newshosting.com!ne
wsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.tisc ali.de!news.belwue.de!n
ews.uni-stuttgart.de!carbon.eu.sun.com!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworl
d.com!not-for-mail

Franz:

bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news. bellsouth.net!cyclone1.
gnilink.net!gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!ne wshosting.com!nx02.iad0
1.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjser v.net!feed.news.tiscali
.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!carbon.eu.sun.com!btnet-feed5!b
tnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail

Whoops...close enough for me...

Then you prove you don't understand headers. Both use the same isp, so
its not surpriding that posts take the same route. All those headers
are is the route news takes.

If you look at the other headers, you'll see that the versions of
Outlook used are different (not conclusive in itself, but in conjunction
with the totally different posting styles and contents, its pretty
obvious to me that they are not the same.)

BUSTED.


Now wait for the wrongful arrest charges.

--
regards andyw

In article , dave weil
writes
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:05:01 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

In that case, take the trouble to read them correctly.

Franz

Martin:


bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news. bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-
nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshosting.com!nx02.i ad01.newshosting.com!ne
wsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.tisc ali.de!news.belwue.de!n
ews.uni-stuttgart.de!carbon.eu.sun.com!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworl
d.com!not-for-mail

Franz:

bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news. bellsouth.net!cyclone1.
gnilink.net!gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!ne wshosting.com!nx02.iad0
1.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjser v.net!feed.news.tiscali
.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!carbon.eu.sun.com!btnet-feed5!b
tnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail

Whoops...close enough for me...

Then you prove you don't understand headers. Both use the same isp, so
its not surpriding that posts take the same route. All those headers
are is the route news takes.

If you look at the other headers, you'll see that the versions of
Outlook used are different (not conclusive in itself, but in conjunction
with the totally different posting styles and contents, its pretty
obvious to me that they are not the same.)

BUSTED.


Now wait for the wrongful arrest charges.

--
regards andyw

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:36:17 +0100, newsb
wrote:


If you look at the other headers, you'll see that the versions of
Outlook used are different (not conclusive in itself, but in conjunction
with the totally different posting styles and contents, its pretty
obvious to me that they are not the same.)

Certainly not conclusive in itself. Heck, I've got two different
versions of Outlook Express on two different computers in this very
room (I never bohered upgrading the one on the seldom used computer in
the network, mainly because I don't even bother using Outlook in the
first place). But if I *did* use Outlook, depending on which computer
I used, that would determine the version of Outlook on my headers. If
I had a work computer, which I don't, I'd bet that it would be
different as well. And a possible laptop? Sure, might be a fourth one.

As to the "totally different posting styles and contents", that's what
sockpuppeting is all about, innit?

That's some crazy people that they have using that ISP which suddenly
starts popping up on rec. garden.roses. It *must* be a coincidence,
since that ISP is as huge as demon...

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:36:17 +0100, newsb
wrote:


If you look at the other headers, you'll see that the versions of
Outlook used are different (not conclusive in itself, but in conjunction
with the totally different posting styles and contents, its pretty
obvious to me that they are not the same.)

Certainly not conclusive in itself. Heck, I've got two different
versions of Outlook Express on two different computers in this very
room (I never bohered upgrading the one on the seldom used computer in
the network, mainly because I don't even bother using Outlook in the
first place). But if I *did* use Outlook, depending on which computer
I used, that would determine the version of Outlook on my headers. If
I had a work computer, which I don't, I'd bet that it would be
different as well. And a possible laptop? Sure, might be a fourth one.

As to the "totally different posting styles and contents", that's what
sockpuppeting is all about, innit?

That's some crazy people that they have using that ISP which suddenly
starts popping up on rec. garden.roses. It *must* be a coincidence,
since that ISP is as huge as demon...

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

[snip]

That's some crazy people that they have using that ISP which
suddenly
starts popping up on rec. garden.roses. It *must* be a coincidence,
since that ISP is as huge as demon...

You are once again showing what a failure you are as far as deductive
powers are concerned. The ISP I use is run by British Telephone,
which is the major telephone company in the UK, so it is not a notable
coincidence if two urglers use it.

If you had had any powers of observation, you would also by now have
noticed that I make no secret of the fact that I live at the top of
Wensleydale and the Martin who supports the Bexhill Rose Society posts
from Bexhill (there are at least 3 Martins who participate in urg).
If you knew how to use a ruler, and you could lay your hands on a map
of the UK in that benighted part of the world you live in, you might
be able to establish for yourself that the distance between those
places is more than 300 miles.

Franz

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

[snip]

That's some crazy people that they have using that ISP which
suddenly
starts popping up on rec. garden.roses. It *must* be a coincidence,
since that ISP is as huge as demon...

You are once again showing what a failure you are as far as deductive
powers are concerned. The ISP I use is run by British Telephone,
which is the major telephone company in the UK, so it is not a notable
coincidence if two urglers use it.

If you had had any powers of observation, you would also by now have
noticed that I make no secret of the fact that I live at the top of
Wensleydale and the Martin who supports the Bexhill Rose Society posts
from Bexhill (there are at least 3 Martins who participate in urg).
If you knew how to use a ruler, and you could lay your hands on a map
of the UK in that benighted part of the world you live in, you might
be able to establish for yourself that the distance between those
places is more than 300 miles.

Franz