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Crops 16/nov/02 P44 Deloitte & Touche report on their farming clients tp jun 2002. 50% of output came from food production. The majority earned nothing from it, in most cases they paid to produce it. Nothing is being invested. Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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In article , Oz
writes Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. That makes my gross income 400 pounds then? Mind you they are quite right about zero investment (in conventional farming). Curiously a sales rep. claimed to have sold several new combines for next year. As he also mentioned a fall back career in domestic gardening he may have been pulling my leg. Contract farming, amalgamations etc. perhaps. I suppose somebody will turn a penny or two out of the expected 14000 new homes West of Stevenage. regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:55:13 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: In article , Oz writes Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. That makes my gross income 400 pounds then? If you managed just the average, Tim, but that can't be right can it? Grin. The top 25% Deloitte farm clients made 290UKP/ha (116UKP/ac). |
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Torsten Brinch writes
If you managed just the average, Tim, but that can't be right can it? Grin. The top 25% Deloitte farm clients made 290UKP/ha (116UKP/ac). Bear in mind that they will have quite a few vegetable and pig producers, which substantially increases the output per Ha. Mind you 120 UKP/Ha is a paltry return for an intensive vegetable/stock farm. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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"Oz" wrote in message ... Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. Naughty there Oz, mixing your units. |
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David G. Bell writes
Do you really think that their clients fully represent the range of farming businesses? They are likely to be large estates, contact farming and share farming. Probably some of the most efficient, and some average or worse. I'd expect that their sample is biased towards the upper end of farm-business sizes, and other sources, such as Nix, are pretty clear about the effect of farm size on costs, warning that the agricultural press often ignores this in the figures they present. Indeed. However they also report that one man bands and family farms are not costing in their full labour, by a long way. So they must have some family farms too. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Hamish Macbeth writes
"Oz" wrote in message ... Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. Naughty there Oz, mixing your units. Blame crops .... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:26:36 -0000, "Hamish Macbeth"
wrote: "Oz" wrote in message ... Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. Naughty there Oz, mixing your units. Double naughty, since 1995 was a historic peak year. Farmers in England have just closed their books on their most profitable year, thanks to a combination of high prices for produce world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) |
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In article , Torsten Brinch
writes Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. That makes my gross income 400 pounds then? If you managed just the average, Tim, but that can't be right can it? Grin. The top 25% Deloitte farm clients made 290UKP/ha (116UKP/ac). Hi Torsten, both you and Oz know that simple arithmetic is not my strong point:-) This farm is roughly 200 acres. I would assume that any farm employing such accountants is substantially larger. There seems to be some buggeration factor which allows small one man band farms to exist profitably while making it hard for medium sized with labour to do more than break even. regards -- Tim Lamb |
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Torsten Brinch wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:26:36 -0000, "Hamish Macbeth" wrote: "Oz" wrote in message ... Ave net farm income (that is BEFORE drawings and investment) is 15-20 UKP/ac, and has fallen 300 UKP/Ha since 1995. Naughty there Oz, mixing your units. Double naughty, since 1995 was a historic peak year. depends because with beef and store cattle BSE hit in March and depending when your financial year ended 95 was good, bad or indifferent. Our financial year end is the end of April so 95 wasn't too bad, anyone selling a lot of Cattle in spring with a May or june year end could have a bad year. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Charlie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 |
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Charlie wrote in message ... world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Charlie I know one guy with 100 cows who didn't retire in 1992, or thereabouts, but kept on farming. If he had retired his son would have sold up and got out. I reckon that in the ten years since they will have lost £30,000 a year in capital value and made no profits anyway. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 |
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:49:05 +0000 (UTC), "Charlie"
wrote: world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Hm. If The Times could see it coming, why couldn't the farmers. |
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Torsten Brinch wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:49:05 +0000 (UTC), "Charlie" wrote: world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Hm. If The Times could see it coming, why couldn't the farmers. simple, you remember the one the Times got right, over the period there will have been scores of predictions in various media, some of which might well have been right. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
wrote: "Torsten Brinch" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:49:05 +0000 (UTC), "Charlie" wrote: world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Hm. If The Times could see it coming, why couldn't the farmers. Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. When I quit faming I took a dressing down in a restrant from one of my neighors for it. "My dad had farmed that land and so had my grand dad and I by God sould stick to it". It wasn't a polite or quite discussion. It's not a job that pays wages that you can get another down around the corner. It's what many of our families have done for generations. That could be one mechanism, some would hold on to a non-competitive business for, eh, not particularly rational reasons. If your governments are going to tie your farmers hands so he can't make a profit they are pretty much obliged to keep him in business But our governments are not tying farmers hands so they can't make a profit! Businesses must stay competitive to make a profit, and it is no secret that UK farming has had on average higher overheads and lower increase in productivity than farming elsewhere and for quite a while. E.g. over the last few years UK farmers have been able to shave away farming labor costs at a rate of appr. 30 full time workers per day, or 10,000 per year. |
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In article , Jim Webster
writes world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Hm. If The Times could see it coming, why couldn't the farmers. simple, you remember the one the Times got right, over the period there will have been scores of predictions in various media, some of which might well have been right. Also we had no experience of EU politicians learning from their mistakes. Whatever financial mechanism caused the '96 cereal bonanza was soon adjusted:-( McSharry reforms? regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:30:58 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: In article , Jim Webster writes world shortages and EU aid payments. But celebration would be prematu the bad news is, it is all downhill from here. (The Times, September 27 1996) I wonder if they have ever looked back at this cutting and realised what an absolutely true piece of reporting this was!! If farmers had known what was coming after this I am sure there would be far less about now, most could have sold up then and been better off now if they had never done another days work. Hm. If The Times could see it coming, why couldn't the farmers. simple, you remember the one the Times got right, over the period there will have been scores of predictions in various media, some of which might well have been right. what a maroon Also we had no experience of EU politicians learning from their mistakes. Whatever financial mechanism caused the '96 cereal bonanza was soon adjusted:-( McSharry reforms? Yes, obviously, that was one of the ingredients. The farmers can't say they didn't know about it, nor that they were so naive as to think that the reform would warm better than wetting ones pants does. |
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In article ,
Gordon Couger wrote: snip If your governments are going to tie your farmers hands so he can't make a profit they are pretty much obliged to keep him in business or risk being very bad way when a food shortage comes along. Get in that position and you will find how hard hearted the grain merchants really are. They will make OPEC look like pussy cats. They don't have diplomats. -- Thankyou Gordon. Let's take a couple of points. "obliged to keep him in business". The phrase that comes to mind is "you and whose army?" The UK govt is showing that they are not obliged to consider anybody else's opinion - not anybody in the UK anyway. Nobody has the power to force them to do anything - parliamentary democracy is now dead and gone - so there is no way they can be considered "obliged" to do anything. The worst that can happen to them is they don't get back into power and most of them will have other career paths organised if that happens. "risk being in a very bad way when food shortage comes along." Who will be in a bad way? Not the members of govt. It's the poorer members of UK who will feel the pinch first; govt memebrs are well-off enough that they will be amongst the last to fail to buy. And who will be to blame? The UK farmers of course; "We've paid them all these subsidies out of our hard earned taxes and now they won't provide the food when we need it". All at a moment's notice, of course. "Find out how hard hearted the grain merchants really are." Yes. Well they are in business and business has no place for any sort of heart; just the bottom line for your investors now and some provision for future business (either as the current company or a successor which may or may not be in the same line of business). That is the function of a business. Any "heart" may be in individual members not in the business itself. That "heart" is one of the functions of governments; or should be. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. Just think you are being a bit over-optimistic if you think that UK govt will feel any obligations in this line. Cheers Jane Gordon Gordon Couger Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger -- Jane G : : S Devon |
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says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! |
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) |
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says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Would your advice have been for *everyone* to do that? -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! |
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:25:40 -0000, David P
wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Would your advice have been for *everyone* to do that? That's even more hypothetical, what kind of questioning is that? But no, David, of course I wouldn't. E.g. to some with the poorer land, 1996 might be a good year to sell. |
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On Friday, in article
"Torsten Brinch" wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. -- David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "Let me get this straight. You're the KGB's core AI, but you're afraid of a copyright infringement lawsuit over your translator semiotics?" From "Lobsters" by Charles Stross. |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:56:37 +0000 (GMT),
("David G. Bell") wrote: On Friday, in article "Torsten Brinch" wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. The Times didn't need hindsight to see what would come after, so why should the farmers. |
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On Friday, in article
"Torsten Brinch" wrote: On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:56:37 +0000 (GMT), ("David G. Bell") wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. The Times didn't need hindsight to see what would come after, so why should the farmers. You are looking back, and seeing the prediction, and judging its truth by the use of hindsight. What evidence was there in 1996 that the prediction printed in The Times was a prediction of such a horrifying economic disaster as had occurred? Who made the prediction? Who was the person? What other economic predictions have they made, and how often have they been correct? I don't think that anyone would have argued that 1996 wasn't an exceptional year, and I suggest that the idiots are the people who did things like buying land on the basis of 1996 farm incomes. Were those of us who took the money, and replaced old machinery, and invested it in our businesses, so foolish? I feel absolutely ****ing stupid to be still in farming now, watching my assets bleed away to feed an uncaring population of beer-swilling, ignorant, couch potatoes. I see people like you, who see a certain, predictable, and comfortable world, and I want to tell you to get off your fat arse and grow your own bloody food, instead of bitching about complaints from the people you pauperise to keep yourself in your bloated, overheated, soap-watching, comfort. But you're only worth six feet of English soil, and as much more as you may be taller than other men. -- David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "Let me get this straight. You're the KGB's core AI, but you're afraid of a copyright infringement lawsuit over your translator semiotics?" From "Lobsters" by Charles Stross. |
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In article ,
says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:25:40 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Would your advice have been for *everyone* to do that? That's even more hypothetical, what kind of questioning is that? A fairly logical one .. . you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was merely attempting to discover what you would have done had you been unfortunate enough to be a farmer. But no, David, of course I wouldn't. Why? You clearly feel that the farmers who stuck with it should have sold out. Why would you not take your own advice? -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! |
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:14:20 -0000, David P
wrote: you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was not. snipped the rest, all written under that misconception |
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Torsten Brinch wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:56:37 +0000 (GMT), ("David G. Bell") wrote: On Friday, in article "Torsten Brinch" wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:12:05 -0000, David P wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: Farming is a cycical bussness. If we ran and hid at every down market you would be rather short on food. But that isn't the point. UK had in 1996 a farm income peak, the highest in 20 years. The Times could see what would come after, so why couldn't the farmers. How would you have managed the situation? Sold and run? You mean, sell my hypothetical UK farmland? Hell no, David, no way, not in 1996, just a few years after the CAP reform :-) Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. The Times didn't need hindsight to see what would come after, so why should the farmers. simple, the Times has done what every seer tries to do, it has remembered the successful prophecy and the others are forgotten. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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"David G. Bell" wrote in message .. . On Friday, in article But you're only worth six feet of English soil, and as much more as you may be taller than other men. I suspect that the danes no longer remember a Norse King, -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' -- David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "Let me get this straight. You're the KGB's core AI, but you're afraid of a copyright infringement lawsuit over your translator semiotics?" From "Lobsters" by Charles Stross. |
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""David G. Bell"" wrote in message
.. . Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. The *only* thing my 'farm management' lecturer taught me at college was .... "If I had as much hindsight as foresight, then I'd be better by a darned sight" -- J B |
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:33:23 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
wrote: "Torsten Brinch" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: If your governments are going to tie your farmers hands so he can't make a profit they are pretty much obliged to keep him in business But our governments are not tying farmers hands so they can't make a profit! .. I will point out a few places that they are reaching deep in the farmers purse. Gordon points to a few of his usual suspects Britain's farmers receive about £3 billion UKP in direct subsidies and pricing support each year. Match that, if you can. If you are gong to pay the farmer get something you can use out of him. I think you mean get -more- out of him for the money. But what? You don't seem to care what WTO things anyway Take those idle acres and put them to something you need. Sorry, we can't do it if WTO says it is wrong. Commitments, you know. Maybe you should close him down and put is stuff on display and pay him a curator and by all you food from the low bidder. Yes. -That- would be according to WTO rules, afaik. |
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Torsten Brinch wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:33:23 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: "Torsten Brinch" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:23:24 -0600, "Gordon Couger" wrote: If your governments are going to tie your farmers hands so he can't make a profit they are pretty much obliged to keep him in business But our governments are not tying farmers hands so they can't make a profit! .. I will point out a few places that they are reaching deep in the farmers purse. Gordon points to a few of his usual suspects Britain's farmers receive about £3 billion UKP in direct subsidies and pricing support each year. Match that, if you can. I think that you are a little behind in your understanding of recent US agriculture policy -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:14:20 -0000, David P wrote: you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was not. snipped the rest, all written under that misconception Shame. I thought you might take the time to explain yourself. -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! |
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In article , David P
writes you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was not. snipped the rest, all written under that misconception Shame. I thought you might take the time to explain yourself. As things are getting a bit boring in here, perhaps we could extend this discussion to include land tenure? I happen to know that Torsten has strongly held, if slightly wacky, views on the subject. Now if about six of us took him on .... :-) regards -- Tim Lamb |
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In article ,
says... In article , David P writes you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was not. snipped the rest, all written under that misconception Shame. I thought you might take the time to explain yourself. As things are getting a bit boring in here, perhaps we could extend this discussion to include land tenure? I happen to know that Torsten has strongly held, if slightly wacky, views on the subject. I believe I had noticed that. Pity he dropped out; I had planned on asking him what a tenant farmer should have done once I was clear on what his views on an owner-occupier was. Now if about six of us took him on .... :-) Ok - Jim can hold him while the other 5 hit him; or should that be t'other way round?g -- David Visit http://www.farm-direct.co.uk for your local farmgate food supplies. FAQ's, Glossary, Farming Year and more! |
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:44:39 -0000, David P
wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:14:20 -0000, David P wrote: you were impling that the people who were still farming were short-sighted. I was not. snipped the rest, all written under that misconception Shame. I thought you might take the time to explain yourself. Try with a proper question. |
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:57:19 -0600, "Gordon Couger"
wrote: You don't seem to care what WTO things anyway Take those idle acres and put them to something you need. Sorry, we can't do it if WTO says it is wrong. Commitments, you know. You don't seem to give a damn about living up WTO rulings on beef in for a penny in for a pound. Which WTO ruling are you thinking of? |
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