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Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

Is this the right NG?
 
I've been looking at some old field maps (tithe maps) of this area, which
have raised some questions about historical land use. Is this an appropriate
NG to raise them on, or does anyone know any more appropriate places?

May glorious Shamash make his face to shine upon you

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Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Gilgamesh writes
I've been looking at some old field maps (tithe maps) of this area, which
have raised some questions about historical land use. Is this an appropriate
NG to raise them on, or does anyone know any more appropriate places?


uk.business.agriculture

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Richard McDermott 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Gilgamesh" wrote in message
...
I've been looking at some old field maps (tithe maps) of this area, which
have raised some questions about historical land use. Is this an

appropriate
NG to raise them on, or does anyone know any more appropriate places?

May glorious Shamash make his face to shine upon you

Gilgamesh of Uruk
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Sounds interesting to me. I think history its very relevant to we farm our
ground.



Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Here's the first conundrum :
I noticed that many of the old field boundaries are curved in a sort of
backward-S shape. The only book I could find in the library says this is
characteristic of enclosed strips which were ploughed by oxen (If I read
things aright, that means any time up to about mid-18th century), but gives
no explanation beyond the suggestion that it made them easier to turn.
Well, with a single-bottom plough, that does'nt make sense to me, unless you
plough in one direction only. An acre is already an 11-mile walk - would
anyone willingly double that to 22 miles? The logical layout would be the
classic furrow long by stetch wide acre, although the land hereabouts is
relatively light, so you might well be able to plough more than an acre in a
day (Is it just coincidental that an acre is usually quoted as much as a
skilled man with a scythe could reap in a day? The field layouts for
Champion Country were probably set before the Black Death, when reaping was
done with a sickle)

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"Richard McDermott" wrote in message
...

"Gilgamesh" wrote in message
...
I've been looking at some old field maps (tithe maps) of this area,

which
have raised some questions about historical land use. Is this an

appropriate
NG to raise them on, or does anyone know any more appropriate places?

May glorious Shamash make his face to shine upon you

Gilgamesh of Uruk
(Include Enkidu in the subject line to avoid the spam trap)


Sounds interesting to me. I think history its very relevant to we farm our
ground.





Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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You really are in the wrong group here. You should repost to
uk.business.agriculture. On the principle that I already said that, and
you didn't, you don;t know how to so I have x-posted this post. However
bear in mind that some posters do not x-post so a valuable reply my not
appear on sci.ag.


Gilgamesh writes
I noticed that many of the old field boundaries are curved in a sort of
backward-S shape. The only book I could find in the library says this is
characteristic of enclosed strips which were ploughed by oxen (If I read
things aright, that means any time up to about mid-18th century), but gives
no explanation beyond the suggestion that it made them easier to turn.


That is often correct.

Well, with a single-bottom plough, that does'nt make sense to me, unless you
plough in one direction only.


ER, no. They were ploughed in lands. So the animals start to turn when
they are out of the furrow making the plough turn, and equally swing
wide coming in. These small changes add up each time you go round so the
field gets a 's' shape. This can still be seen when you have students on
cultivations in small fields.

An acre is already an 11-mile walk - would
anyone willingly double that to 22 miles?


Only if the land is very sloping.

The logical layout would be the
classic furrow long by stetch wide acre, although the land hereabouts is
relatively light, so you might well be able to plough more than an acre in a
day (Is it just coincidental that an acre is usually quoted as much as a
skilled man with a scythe could reap in a day?


I have seen both 'definitions'. I doubt either are more than piecework
estimates. Chains, poles, perches and furlongs are very old
measurements.

The field layouts for
Champion Country were probably set before the Black Death, when reaping was
done with a sickle)


Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

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David P 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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In article ,
says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.
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Mary Fisher 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"David P" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


I didn't see the original post, perhaps it's just as well ...

Mary
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Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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In article ,
says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in

the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


that's the temperature you start working up a sweat at.


--
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"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

--
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Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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David P writes
In article ,
says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


Better?

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Mary Fisher 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Oz" wrote in message
...


Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


the convention would be C20th ... or even C30th ... but at least we'd have
understood.

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.

Mary


Better?

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David P 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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In article ,
says...
David P writes
In article ,

says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


Better?


Much g

You can be so imprecise at times bg
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Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Mary Fisher writes

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.


It was a travellers journal I once read that stuck in my memory.
Apparently the locals preferred their flint sickles because:

1) They were much cheaper than steel ones.
2) They were lighter and easier to use.
3) They only needed 'sharpening' once every few days.
4) They cut better.

The date was about 1902.

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Mary Fisher 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher writes

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.


It was a travellers journal I once read that stuck in my memory.
Apparently the locals preferred their flint sickles because:

1) They were much cheaper than steel ones.
2) They were lighter and easier to use.
3) They only needed 'sharpening' once every few days.
4) They cut better.

The date was about 1902.


If all the above is right why aren't they still used?

And how did they get a piece of flint big enough?

Or were they very small sickles?

The only result of your reply is to make me even more curious!

Thanks,

Mary

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Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Oz" wrote in message
...

You really are in the wrong group here. You should repost to
uk.business.agriculture. On the principle that I already said that, and
you didn't, you don;t know how to so I have x-posted this post. However
bear in mind that some posters do not x-post so a valuable reply my not
appear on sci.ag.


Gilgamesh writes
I noticed that many of the old field boundaries are curved in a sort

of
backward-S shape. The only book I could find in the library says this is
characteristic of enclosed strips which were ploughed by oxen (If I read
things aright, that means any time up to about mid-18th century), but

gives
no explanation beyond the suggestion that it made them easier to turn.


That is often correct.

Well, with a single-bottom plough, that does'nt make sense to me, unless

you
plough in one direction only.


ER, no. They were ploughed in lands. So the animals start to turn when
they are out of the furrow making the plough turn, and equally swing
wide coming in. These small changes add up each time you go round so the
field gets a 's' shape. This can still be seen when you have students on
cultivations in small fields.

An acre is already an 11-mile walk - would
anyone willingly double that to 22 miles?


Only if the land is very sloping.

The logical layout would be the
classic furrow long by stetch wide acre, although the land hereabouts is
relatively light, so you might well be able to plough more than an acre

in a
day (Is it just coincidental that an acre is usually quoted as much as a
skilled man with a scythe could reap in a day?


I have seen both 'definitions'. I doubt either are more than piecework
estimates. Chains, poles, perches and furlongs are very old
measurements.

The field layouts for
Champion Country were probably set before the Black Death, when reaping

was
done with a sickle)


Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

--
Oz
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Until you cross-posted, uk.business.agriculture didn't show up on the list
of ngs. There is something odd going on since I switched to an @anytime@
connection. Now I can see it, I'll use that for further queries.

Thanks for your comments - the field boundaries I had noted were mostly
around the 200-250 yard mark, that's why I suggested a single stetch rather
than lands, obviously, once the strip shape was established, you would
continue to plough it that way - anything else would leave a lot of short
work up to the berms between strips (more likely ditches in this case since
they are mostly on the flood plain of the Wom brook).
Yes, I know the sickle is still in use - although we had progressed to
steel, I used one 2 or 3 times in the 1950's & 60's to open up the
cornfields for the self-binder - and Orwell notes the use of the sickle in
North Africa between the wars (as well as plough teams of an ox & an ass)
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Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"Oz" wrote in message
...


Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


the convention would be C20th ... or even C30th ... but at least we'd have
understood.

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.

Mary


Better?

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They have "teeth" made of dressed flakes of flint set in a wooden handle
(originally a jawbone IIRC) In some parts of the world, they still use
obsidian (black volcanic glass) for very similar reasons.


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Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Mary Fisher wrote in message
t...
And how did they get a piece of flint big enough?

Or were they very small sickles?

The only result of your reply is to make me even more curious!


I would assume they were a wooden sickle with small flints set into the
wood to create a cutting edge. This would give it a 'ragged' blade and
build in a sawing action, but this is supposition based on other stuff
I've read about.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'




Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Gilgamesh wrote in message
...
Yes, I know the sickle is still in use - although we had progressed

to
steel, I used one 2 or 3 times in the 1950's & 60's to open up the
cornfields for the self-binder - and Orwell notes the use of the

sickle in
North Africa between the wars (as well as plough teams of an ox & an

ass)
--


here in the NW of England the biggest use of the sickle in the 20th
century was actually cutting the grass etc on a dike cop (the bank a
hedge is grown on) as you were trimming the dike.
In this area In the 20th century, a ley or scythe was used for opening
out, not a sickle.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'







Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Mary Fisher writes

"Oz" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher writes

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.


It was a travellers journal I once read that stuck in my memory.
Apparently the locals preferred their flint sickles because:

1) They were much cheaper than steel ones.
2) They were lighter and easier to use.
3) They only needed 'sharpening' once every few days.
4) They cut better.

The date was about 1902.


If all the above is right why aren't they still used?


I don't know, it was unstated. However maybe the crofters were in fact
very poor and this was a good enough excuse or that the ability to
quickly knap perfect flint flakes was lost in following generations.

And how did they get a piece of flint big enough?


The flint sickles I have seen have been a wooden frame with the flakes
set in it. I can believe this would work quite well, remember modern
combine sections for cereals are serrated - plain ones do not work very
well.

The only result of your reply is to make me even more curious!


Unfortunately I have no more information. I remembered it because the
reasons seemed plausible. Certainly I have seen skilled people use flint
tools to butcher a carcass and the cutting ability and retention of edge
of flint is quite extraordinary. Not crude tools at all.

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Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Gordon Couger writes

Freshly knapped flint of the right kind would be sharper than any steel
blade could ever be and hold its edge a great deal longer. I have found
arrow heads that were still pretty sharp after being in the ground hundreds
of years.


Swap you a flint arrowhead for a low denomination roman coin (rather
corroded due alkaline soil), or a musketball?

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Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Oz wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher writes

Unfortunately I have no more information. I remembered it because the
reasons seemed plausible. Certainly I have seen skilled people use

flint
tools to butcher a carcass and the cutting ability and retention of

edge
of flint is quite extraordinary. Not crude tools at all.


certainly better than steel for cutting open big bales. Goes through
silage wrap a treat.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

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Mary Fisher 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...




certainly better than steel for cutting open big bales. Goes through
silage wrap a treat.


Thanks, Jim, that's going to be useful to know hereabouts ...

Mary



Mary Fisher 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Xref: 127.0.0.1 sci.agricultu60460 uk.business.agricultu96156


"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
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There is a fellow in the US that makes obsidian knives for eye surgeons
using the same flaking methods as were used for flint knives. Laboratories
also use freshly broken glass knives to section specimens for examination
for microscopes. So the art is not completely lost.


There are still people flint knapping but I've never seen any piece of flint
big enough to compare with even a small sickle blade. I wondered if they
grew bigger in Oz's 30C (or whenever it was ... )

Mary




Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Gilgamesh wrote in message
...
Yes, I know the sickle is still in use - although we had progressed

to
steel, I used one 2 or 3 times in the 1950's & 60's to open up the
cornfields for the self-binder - and Orwell notes the use of the

sickle in
North Africa between the wars (as well as plough teams of an ox & an

ass)
--


here in the NW of England the biggest use of the sickle in the 20th
century was actually cutting the grass etc on a dike cop (the bank a
hedge is grown on) as you were trimming the dike.
In this area In the 20th century, a ley or scythe was used for opening
out, not a sickle.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'


I don't dispute that, although I was taught that the bagging hook was the
tool for the job. I'm sure either did at least as good a job as the big
petrol strimmer my cousin uses on the hedgebanks now - and we could use the
resulting hay for the rabbits. I would, however, have been 10/11/12 at the
time, not
big enough to handle a scythe, and not savvy enough to be trusted with one
anyway. I usually got roped in on the basis that David (my friend & the
farmer's son) couldn't come fishing until the job was done, so it was a
sickle each. These were smallish fields of oats - D's dad still used the
self-binder on those, although he combined the rest of the grain crops (he
fed the oats in the sheaf if my memory isn't playing tricks)

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Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Mary Fisher wrote in message
t...

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...




certainly better than steel for cutting open big bales. Goes through
silage wrap a treat.


Thanks, Jim, that's going to be useful to know hereabouts ...


depends whether you are at daughters or in Leeds I suppose :-))


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'



Mary





Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Gilgamesh wrote in message
...
I would, however, have been 10/11/12 at the
time, not
big enough to handle a scythe, and not savvy enough to be trusted with

one
anyway. I usually got roped in on the basis that David (my friend &

the
farmer's son) couldn't come fishing until the job was done, so it was

a
sickle each. These were smallish fields of oats - D's dad still used

the
self-binder on those, although he combined the rest of the grain crops

(he
fed the oats in the sheaf if my memory isn't playing tricks)


Was it fed to sheep? or do any of our nutritionalists know if oats can
be fed to cattle un-rolled and still digested.

--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'




Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Jim Webster writes

Was it fed to sheep? or do any of our nutritionalists know if oats can
be fed to cattle un-rolled and still digested.


Barley certainly can be (and is), so I guess oats would be fine too.
Wheat is not so good as I understand it because the gluten makes it too
sticky, and stock don;t like it so much.

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Tim Lamb 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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In article 3e3f4c42_4@newsfeed, Gordon Couger
writes

"Oz" wrote in message .

Swap you a flint arrowhead for a low denomination roman coin (rather
corroded due alkaline soil), or a musketball?

My brother got off with them all. I will look around and see if I can come
up with one.


A visiting American (from Idaho) gave me one:-)

Grey in colour and shaped like the apostle on a spoon. Not particularly
finely made but nicer as a gift than followed by 3' of wood and Turkey
feathers.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Jim Webster 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Gilgamesh wrote in message
...
If my memory serves, it was fed to the bullocks he fattened. He cut it

still
slightly green which I understand raises the protein - and may mean

that
the corn is still in the milk. I don't know if that makes it more or

less
digestible.


makes it sound like 'whole crop' which would be


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'


--
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Gilgamesh of Uruk
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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

Was it fed to sheep? or do any of our nutritionalists know if oats

can
be fed to cattle un-rolled and still digested.


Barley certainly can be (and is), so I guess oats would be fine too.
Wheat is not so good as I understand it because the gluten makes it

too
sticky, and stock don;t like it so much.

--
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Gilgamesh 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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If my memory serves, it was fed to the bullocks he fattened. He cut it still
slightly green which I understand raises the protein - and may mean that
the corn is still in the milk. I don't know if that makes it more or less
digestible.

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

Was it fed to sheep? or do any of our nutritionalists know if oats can
be fed to cattle un-rolled and still digested.


Barley certainly can be (and is), so I guess oats would be fine too.
Wheat is not so good as I understand it because the gluten makes it too
sticky, and stock don;t like it so much.

--
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Dan 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

Was it fed to sheep? or do any of our nutritionalists know if oats can
be fed to cattle un-rolled and still digested.


Barley certainly can be (and is), so I guess oats would be fine too.
Wheat is not so good as I understand it because the gluten makes it too
sticky, and stock don;t like it so much.


I suspect that you might have miss read the question - I am unaware of any
cereal grains that can be fed to cattle whole successfully. Barley passes
straight through judging by the evidence I have seen from when they have
found the grains in straw and eaten them whole.

Dan

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Oz 26-04-2003 12:30 PM

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Dan writes

I suspect that you might have miss read the question - I am unaware of any
cereal grains that can be fed to cattle whole successfully. Barley passes
straight through judging by the evidence I have seen from when they have
found the grains in straw and eaten them whole.


1) I don;t have sheep.
2) I have seen it said in FW and elsewhere many times that feeding neat
barley to sheep is effective.
3) I am *certain* I have seen trials results of it's use.

Remember that barley ex-fm is but 60/T, if even 20% goes straight
through, it's still a cheap feed.

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Oz 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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You really are in the wrong group here. You should repost to
uk.business.agriculture. On the principle that I already said that, and
you didn't, you don;t know how to so I have x-posted this post. However
bear in mind that some posters do not x-post so a valuable reply my not
appear on sci.ag.


Gilgamesh writes
I noticed that many of the old field boundaries are curved in a sort of
backward-S shape. The only book I could find in the library says this is
characteristic of enclosed strips which were ploughed by oxen (If I read
things aright, that means any time up to about mid-18th century), but gives
no explanation beyond the suggestion that it made them easier to turn.


That is often correct.

Well, with a single-bottom plough, that does'nt make sense to me, unless you
plough in one direction only.


ER, no. They were ploughed in lands. So the animals start to turn when
they are out of the furrow making the plough turn, and equally swing
wide coming in. These small changes add up each time you go round so the
field gets a 's' shape. This can still be seen when you have students on
cultivations in small fields.

An acre is already an 11-mile walk - would
anyone willingly double that to 22 miles?


Only if the land is very sloping.

The logical layout would be the
classic furrow long by stetch wide acre, although the land hereabouts is
relatively light, so you might well be able to plough more than an acre in a
day (Is it just coincidental that an acre is usually quoted as much as a
skilled man with a scythe could reap in a day?


I have seen both 'definitions'. I doubt either are more than piecework
estimates. Chains, poles, perches and furlongs are very old
measurements.

The field layouts for
Champion Country were probably set before the Black Death, when reaping was
done with a sickle)


Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

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David P 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.
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Mary Fisher 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


I didn't see the original post, perhaps it's just as well ...

Mary
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Jim Webster 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in

the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


that's the temperature you start working up a sweat at.


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Oz 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


Better?

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Mary Fisher 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


the convention would be C20th ... or even C30th ... but at least we'd have
understood.

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.

Mary


Better?

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David P 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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David P writes
In article ,

says...



Reaping was still done with flint sickles in parts of scotland in the
start of the 30C.

Pardon? I can't even hazard a guess on that one.


let me rephrase ....

start of the 20C ...


Better?


Much g

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Oz 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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Mary Fisher writes

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.


It was a travellers journal I once read that stuck in my memory.
Apparently the locals preferred their flint sickles because:

1) They were much cheaper than steel ones.
2) They were lighter and easier to use.
3) They only needed 'sharpening' once every few days.
4) They cut better.

The date was about 1902.

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Mary Fisher 19-05-2003 02:20 AM

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"Oz" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher writes

I'd like to know more about flint sickles.


It was a travellers journal I once read that stuck in my memory.
Apparently the locals preferred their flint sickles because:

1) They were much cheaper than steel ones.
2) They were lighter and easier to use.
3) They only needed 'sharpening' once every few days.
4) They cut better.

The date was about 1902.


If all the above is right why aren't they still used?

And how did they get a piece of flint big enough?

Or were they very small sickles?

The only result of your reply is to make me even more curious!

Thanks,

Mary

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