Jim Webster writes
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Where is Sumer?

was rather than is.

the home of what was probably the first civilisation, based on the two
rivers of the Tigris and Euphrates, now southern Iraq. The Sumerians
were the ones that the Babylonians copied.
One city name that might ring a bell from sunday school is Ur.

weren't the akkadians even earlier?

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Where is Sumer?

was rather than is.

the home of what was probably the first civilisation, based on the
two
rivers of the Tigris and Euphrates, now southern Iraq. The Sumerians
were the ones that the Babylonians copied.
One city name that might ring a bell from sunday school is Ur.

weren't the akkadians even earlier?

nah, Sumer & Akkad, the Akkadians were the scruffy barbarians off the
plains who came to gawp at the great cities and stayed to rule them. It
was the Akkadians who built competing Sumerian city states into an
Empire which may well have included all of modern Iraq and much of
Syria, and may even have reached Turkey and the med (accounts vary.)
The Akkadians had the sense to spot a good culture and stuck with it,
continuing to use Sumerian writing, bureaucracy and similar, and indeed
it is a bit tricky to spot who absorbed whom.

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Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'


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On 2/20/03 12:41 AM, in article , "Oz"
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Mari Meron still about?
Doubtless wizard baez still slums it occasionally.

I don't remember either of those names at sci.physics. I think that's
where I saw this puzzle. Take a circular pasture with grass growth even
over the full area. Put a stake at the edge of the pasture with a rope on
it. Tie a hungry critter on the other end. How long should the rope be so
the critter can get to only 1/3 of the pasture? Express the length in
relation to one of the circle's dimensions such as radius, diameter or
circumference.


Dean

I don't know the answer.



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. I think a human in good shape can put out about
about 1/3 horsepower. Let's see, 150 divided by 3 equals 450 people
equals
900 feet compacting the ground.

'Good shape'! I expect the average continuous output for a city
dweller
might be significantly less, probably more like 100W. That puts you up
to 1500 people with 3000 feet. Hmm if each eats 1 kg grains a day then
just feeding them for a year will cost you 600T! Do you think they
would
expect clothes and heating as well?

Doesn't seem very efficient to me, but a heck of a good-sized hoeing
gang.

remember to add in the administration and motivation costs as well.
overseers with whips don't come cheap :-))

Dang it, you always see the downside ......


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Don't give up - I'm sure there are plenty who would pay to get a chance with
the whip (on either side, too).

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Where is Sumer?

was rather than is.

the home of what was probably the first civilisation, based on the two
rivers of the Tigris and Euphrates, now southern Iraq. The Sumerians
were the ones that the Babylonians copied.
One city name that might ring a bell from sunday school is Ur.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'





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On 2/20/03 12:41 AM, in article , "Oz"
wrote:

Mari Meron still about?
Doubtless wizard baez still slums it occasionally.

I don't remember either of those names at sci.physics. I think that's
where I saw this puzzle. Take a circular pasture with grass growth even
over the full area. Put a stake at the edge of the pasture with a rope on
it. Tie a hungry critter on the other end. How long should the rope be
so
the critter can get to only 1/3 of the pasture? Express the length in
relation to one of the circle's dimensions such as radius, diameter or
circumference.


Dean

I don't know the answer.



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Area of pasture = 3.1471 * radius * radius.
Radius for 1/3rd area = 1/(3^.5) full radius.

We knew that back in Sumer in 3000 BC, but it looked more elegant in
cuneiform.

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Gordon Couger writes

One of the openers on John Deere grain drills is well over 100 years old
with no changes but ball bearings and better steels.

Good job you didn't post on uba as someone would likely chip in to say
their drill was over 100 years old.

Mind you shovel and hoe design is even earlier.

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