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BST MILK and Ordinary MILK Indistinquishable? Not Really.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:46:34 GMT, "James Curts"
wrote: "Torsten Brinch" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:10:04 GMT, "James Curts" wrote: Many of these chemicals, just as in the instances of dirt grown vegetables, were within the plant structure and could not be washed off. The only solutions are to remove the items from the store shelves, which one major local grocery chain did, or to advertise the product so strongly and favorably that customers consumed the evidence. The threat of food poisoning from aldicarb residues in American hydroponically grown cucumbers comes to mind as one example that residues of toxic chemicals within the plant structure cannot be washed off. Indeed such aldicarb-soaked hydroponically grown cucumbers would had been better removed from the shelves -- before unknowing customers ate them and got sick. However, hydroponically grown produce should from what I've heard generally have -lower- residues than conventionally dirt-grown, and the residues would not very often exceed maximum recommended levels, and not frequently lead to clinical poisoning. The first portion of your message is factual while the insinuation at the end is unfounded and unnecessary. But, there is no insinuation at the end. It is all factual. Aldicarb (trade name Temik) is a granular pesticide registered since 1970. It is used to control insects, mites, and nematodes on bananas, cotton, citrus, dry beans, grain sorghum, ornamentals, pecans, peanuts, potatoes, seed alfalfa, soybeans, sugar beets, sugarcane, sweet potatoes, and tobacco. Additionally, there are tolerances established for residues of aldicarb on imported bananas You are using an outdated source of information. There are no tolerances for aldicarb in bananas, they were revoked many years ago when Rhone Poulenc withdrew support for aldicarb use on banana due to concerns of residues above tolerances resulting from such use. and coffee beans. Rhone-Poulenc is the sole registrant of aldicarb. It is restricted to use by certified applicators only. Aldicarb was never licensed or intended for use on water melons or cucumbers. The use on the cucumbers you mentioned was illegal and while a fact was not discovered and isolated to prevent the illness and hospitalization of consumers until after the fact. I know all that. Still, food poisoning with aldicarb from hydroponically grown cucumbers did happen, and on more than one occasion. The EPA was immediately on top of this and was grateful that Rhone-Poulenc immediately pulled the product and compensated the growers for the purchases. I think you have gotten the unfortunate cucumber cases mixed up with the unfortunate cases of aldicarb residues in potatoes above tolerances. However, those potatoes were conventionally dirt grown, not grown in a hydroponic system. Conventional hydroponic produce, unfortunately and for news fodder, is lumped together with produce obtained by introducing "organic" additives into the nutrient supply. The cucumbers in question were from an "organic" hydroponics grower whose crop was infested almost beyond redemption practices by insects, mites, etc. and the chemical was applied in much higher amounts than was necessary. Well, obviously doses were unusually high or people wouldn't have got sick. According to WHO data I've seen the investigators of one of these cases found 1.8 mg/l in the water used in the hydroponic system, and 0.6 mg/kg in the gravel used. Residues found in the cucumbers were between 0.7 and 6.6 mg/kg. Normal hydroponic practice is to create an environment in the greenhouse which supports beneficial insects and organisms to combat these unwanted infestations. Chemical additives are seldom even considered or necessary and in today's well overseen actions nothing harmful is ever used in the serious commercial operation. So, hydroponic produce generally would have lower pesticide residues than conventionally dirt-grown. Just as I said. What you've "heard" is of no import and in simple form has no foundation other than to imply a familiarity you do not possess with the topic. Nonsense. I am referring that what I hear from you and other hydroponic proponents: that hydroponic produce generally have lower residues than conventionally dirt-grown. A serious study of hydroponics growing practices as we find in the US, Australia, Israel, etc. shows a conscientious approach to food production not found in dirt or supposed "organic" systems. But, you have no serious study to back up this extreme claim, right? To clarify a small point, organic growing practices in true form are the ideal food growing method and produce healthy, nutritious and wholesome food. Indeed. If you want minimal pesticide residues in your produce, you should certainly consider getting it from organic systems. In reality and from a commercial standpoint it cannot compete with conventional dirt farming in the market place. Not clear what you mean by this. Organic farming does not cater for the same market as conventional. From the same standpoint it cannot compete with standard hydroponics without cheating. Same comment, the standpoint is invalid, since organic farming caters for a distinct market for organic food, which hydroponic and conventional geoponic simply do not produce. snip tiresome repetitions |
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