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weird vines growing under trees..
Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John |
John wrote:
|| Hello group, || Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between || Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are || these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to || vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves || which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly || fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I || get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to || landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing || too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. || Thanks so much!!! || John Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be happy for some ideas... BJ |
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"John" wrote: Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John Liana vines... :-) I usually let them grow up the trees as I find them to be pretty and harmless. In fact, when I dig them out, I pot them for future transplanting. The reason they are not responding to herbicides is due to the size of the rhizomes. Dig them out and you should find a large potato-like tuber. The only way I've ever gotten rid of ones in the garden where I did not want them was to dig out that root. They are not very deep. I had a lot of them around a chinaberry tree that I had to take out of the main garden bed. They won't hurt your flower beds as they do like to climb. You can just train them to go "up" the trees. Good luck! -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Rhizome.
And they are fairly shallow. I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all! In article , escape wrote: I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure which) will run out of energy and dry up. Victoria On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John" opined: Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
"Katra" wrote in message ... Rhizome. And they are fairly shallow. I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all! In article , escape wrote: I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure which) will run out of energy and dry up. Victoria Thanks everyone, will give that a try. Need to dig anyway to prepare the flowerbeds.. John |
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"John" wrote: "Katra" wrote in message ... Rhizome. And they are fairly shallow. I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all! In article , escape wrote: I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure which) will run out of energy and dry up. Victoria Thanks everyone, will give that a try. Need to dig anyway to prepare the flowerbeds.. John Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-) They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They will also grow up a fence line. Good luck!!! -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-) They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They will also grow up a fence line. Good luck!!! -- K. Hello Katra, So they don't do like the vines that totally cover trees you see along the highways? Do they flower at all? They do have an interesting shape and color to the leaves. Only thing they remind me of rose bushes with those sharp thorns. All of mine are babies so I have not seen what an adult looks like. Not sure why all of a sudden they are coming up but I don't seem to have any "mother plants". There has never been any construction on the lot we built on. It used to be part of a large ranch. Lots of "interesting" plant life out here..Clumps of the oddest mushrooms I have ever seen popped up almost over night last fall. Very odd.. Thanks again!! John |
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"John" wrote: Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-) They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They will also grow up a fence line. Good luck!!! -- K. Hello Katra, So they don't do like the vines that totally cover trees you see along the highways? No, those are generally wild grape vines... Do they flower at all? Mine do, but it's not very interesting. Very tiny, bud-shaped green blossoms. I just like the leaf shape and color. They do have an interesting shape and color to the leaves. Only thing they remind me of rose bushes with those sharp thorns. Yeah, the thorns can be annoying if you trip over one in the middle of the yard but around trees, it's not really a problem, at least IMHO! All of mine are babies so I have not seen what an adult looks like. Think "jungle" G These are a type of Liana. Not sure why all of a sudden they are coming up but I don't seem to have any "mother plants". It's just that time of year. :-) It's been periodically warm enough for them to start coming out again. Rather than "clinging" to the trees much like English Ivy's do, they just have thick ropes that run up the tree trunks or wrap around a bit. I also like them on fences. They look so jungle-like and wild, I've potted several for eventual transplant around the pond when I get a pond put in. To me, native plants for landscaping save me water! :-) That is why I put wild grape on the wire fences for privacy. They (wild grapes) tend to want to take over after awhile, but aggressive pruning once per year about mid-summer takes care of that problem. I also have a lot of Lantana. Beautiful flowering plant, low maintenance and attracts butterflies. There has never been any construction on the lot we built on. It used to be part of a large ranch. Lots of "interesting" plant life out here..Clumps of the oddest mushrooms I have ever seen popped up almost over night last fall. Very odd.. Cool huh? Mushrooms indicate good, living soil! They won't grow in poor soils. The wild Liana's are a native plant to this area. They are all over the place here. To save water, consider conserving some of the prettier native plants and working them in to your landscaping. Thanks again!! John Most welcome and good luck! -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Wow.
I've never found one that deep. :-) I've never had to dig more than 10 to 12 inches down to get them! But, my topsoil here is not very deep either. Lots of layered rocks anywhere from 3" to 24" down. I've ended up doing mostly raised beds. In article , escape wrote: I didn't find them to be shallow. One I dug out went down about 18 inches. Maybe that's what you are calling shallow? Either way, I just keep cutting it at the soil level when I weed the beds. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:29:41 -0600, Katra opined: Rhizome. And they are fairly shallow. I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all! In article , escape wrote: I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure which) will run out of energy and dry up. Victoria On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John" opined: Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take over
if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a job on anything on top. Good luck, Cliff "John" wrote in message ... Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John |
Sweet... :-)
I'm betting you are down on the aluvial plains? I'm up in the hill country. K. In article , escape wrote: Well, I am truly blessed in that I have about 2-4 feet of soil before I hit caliche or rock on most of the property. Who knows, it may be deeper in parts. Where the pool was dug, there was at least 6 feet of soil. Rich, clay soil. Things go very deep in it! V On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:01 -0600, Katra opined: Wow. I've never found one that deep. :-) I've never had to dig more than 10 to 12 inches down to get them! But, my topsoil here is not very deep either. Lots of layered rocks anywhere from 3" to 24" down. I've ended up doing mostly raised beds. In article , escape wrote: I didn't find them to be shallow. One I dug out went down about 18 inches. Maybe that's what you are calling shallow? Either way, I just keep cutting it at the soil level when I weed the beds. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:29:41 -0600, Katra opined: Rhizome. And they are fairly shallow. I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all! In article , escape wrote: I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure which) will run out of energy and dry up. Victoria On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John" opined: Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape
wrote: I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun. Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing! Rusty Mase |
"Red" wrote in message . com... I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take over if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a job on anything on top. Good luck, Cliff Hi Cliff.. BINGO..I think you have it. I looked up the name, and found that it looks just like what is shown here, upper left pictu http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-200...x_glauca-2.jpg Also known as "catbriar" or "greenbriar" or "Sawbriar" and also " wild sarsaparilla " Here is more info on it: http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrol...us/sglauca.htm Looks like it thrives in the soil found out here in Bastrop(sandy well drained soil over clay). Katra also was correct in the type of root it has. Doing some web research it's really an interesting plant and even has some medicinal properties. I just don't want it climbing up my good trees so will work it out slowly. Thanks to all helping me id this little bugger!!!!! John |
If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20% vinegar
and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a job on anything on top. Dishwashing soap is some pretty nasty stuff. Does it really count as organic? Cindy |
Cindy wrote:
Dishwashing soap is some pretty nasty stuff. Does it really count as organic? Not all dishwashing soaps are created equal... :) The usual brand I see recommended by organic folks is Ivory. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
"John" wrote in message ... | | "Red" wrote in message | . com... | I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take | over if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so | under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into | the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to | be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces | of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control | this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and | give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get | some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of | dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it | will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but | really does a job on anything on top. | | Good luck, | | Cliff | | Hi Cliff.. | BINGO..I think you have it. I looked up the name, and found that it looks | just like what is shown here, | upper left pictu | http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-200...x_glauca-2.jpg | | Also known as "catbriar" or "greenbriar" or "Sawbriar" and also " wild | sarsaparilla " | | Here is more info on it: | http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrol...us/sglauca.htm | | Looks like it thrives in the soil found out here in Bastrop(sandy well | drained soil over clay). | Katra also was correct in the type of root it has. Doing some web research | it's really an interesting plant and even has some medicinal properties. I | just don't want it climbing up my good trees so will work it out slowly. | Thanks to all helping me id this little bugger!!!!! | John | | You'll hear people calling it cat briar around here sometimes. Those thorns really hurt. The berries are pretty, though, and some creature must eat them. |
escape wrote:
And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to be used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus liquid soap. The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:14:54 GMT, escape
wrote: I remember one day up at the Natural Gardener, John came back to the Labyrinth with us and I asked him what purpose does that smilax have and he picked it and ate it! It is only annoying to me because of the thorns. Where I don't have cultivated beds, it grows as it wants. Wandering around in the woods you will notice that the deer very actively crop the top growth of Smilax vines. So they like it. If you just pinch off the very soft tops that are usually still curled a little, they have a slightly peppery flavor with a nice texture. I would not eat the woody, thorny stem, though. I think John was playing out a "let's shock somebody" part if he ate the thorny stem. I have a friend whose forte is catching scorpions, carefully pinching off the small back stinger (not the poison bulb) and put the now harmless scorpion in his shirt pocket where sooner or later it would crawl out. Depending on circumstances, like unknowing observers around who try to warn him of the danger of the scorpion crawling around on him, he would grab the scorpion, toss it in his mouth and gobble it up, remarking "Tastes just like pecans". I never saw anybody faint but it was a definite possibility. Excuse my pun about the dressing, my inner child took over for a moment. Rusty Mase |
10-4 it works best in the hottest part of the year but can be used now to
get the annual weeds in the lawn when and if the desired grass is dormant. Some parts of my St. Augustine is not dormant but all of the Bermuda is so I can use the vinegar to get the Hen bit and others with out damage to the Bermuda and it is also a good additive to the area when it dissolves. "escape" wrote in message ... I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun. On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:39:04 GMT, "Red" opined: I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take over if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a job on anything on top. Good luck, Cliff "John" wrote in message ... Hello group, Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. Thanks so much!!! John Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
You have to use a tooth pick.
"Rusty Mase" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape wrote: I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun. Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing! Rusty Mase |
Reminds me of my misspent youth. When I was a sprout and associated with
older "sprouts" I was told that if you ate a leaf or two of Poison Ivy that you would never be infected with any future encounter. I observed but did not partake of the ritual. The friend who practiced this is still around today to tell about it, some 60 years later, to my knowledge neither one of us ever had a problem with poison ivy. We did experience some exciting encounters with the establishment during those times but nothing like you would read about in today's world. "escape" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:15:02 -0600, Rusty Mase opined: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape wrote: I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun. Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing! Rusty Mase I remember one day up at the Natural Gardener, John came back to the Labyrinth with us and I asked him what purpose does that smilax have and he picked it and ate it! It is only annoying to me because of the thorns. Where I don't have cultivated beds, it grows as it wants. Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html |
escape wrote:
Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM? Central Market. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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escape wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:44:59 GMT, Victor Martinez opined: escape wrote: And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to be used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus liquid soap. The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM. Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM? V Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html Central Market. :-) Sun Harvest carries it too. Kat -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Katra wrote:
In article , escape wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:44:59 GMT, Victor Martinez opined: escape wrote: And Ivory liquid was once a pure soap, now is a detergent. If soap is to be used as a surfactant, I suggest Dr. Bonner's peppermint or eucalyptus liquid soap. The one we use is castille soap or something like that. Got it at CM. Yes, Dr. Bonner's is castille soap. What is CM? V Need a good, cheap, knowledge expanding present for yourself or a friend? http://www.animaux.net/stern/present.html Central Market. :-) Sun Harvest carries it too. Kat And, of course, the hippie-dippie food co-op ;-) : http://www.wheatsville.com/ Everybody should buy at least one bottle of Dr. B's, just to get to read the label. http://www.drbronner.com/ DT www.thehungersite.com |
they are called greenbrair and you must dig up the rizome deep in the ground
"BJ in Texas" wrote in message . com... John wrote: || Hello group, || Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between || Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are || these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to || vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves || which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly || fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I || get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to || landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing || too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. || Thanks so much!!! || John Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be happy for some ideas... BJ |
Thanks,
Boy they are nasty suckers. This was farm land and heavily covered with trees. Now the damn things are coming up thru my new St. Augustine sod..Ugh..Gonna be a greenbriar war I suppose..Guess time to get the sharpshooter out and try to dig at them before they again get a foot hold.. John "Alicia and Joe" wrote in message ... they are called greenbrair and you must dig up the rizome deep in the ground "BJ in Texas" wrote in message . com... John wrote: || Hello group, || Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between || Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are || these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to || vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves || which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly || fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I || get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to || landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing || too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars.. || Thanks so much!!! || John Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be happy for some ideas... BJ |
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