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bottling fruit - possibly OT
Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing
the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Hayley |
"H Ryder" wrote in message ... Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Hayley Try asking in any hotel or catering establishment. Lots of things come in glass jars in 'larger than household' volume. If you have ever been or get the chance to visit a Caterers Cash and Carry, you will see that goods are in two sections. Quantities in large volume bottles and tins for the Caterers and cling film wrapped trays of smaller quantities such as jars of marmalade at 1lb for the shops, but would be 7lbs for the hotels. (Before someone picks me up on this particular item, yes I know that preserves for the table now come in a 'one off' sealed form, but we used 7lbs jars etc) and of course your neighbours. Have you put a note on your gate, "Clean Jam Jars wanted"? or in your local post office/newsagent's window? Mike Who used to collect 1lb jam jars and return them to the grocers for 1d and 2lb jam jars for 2d |
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote: Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap): http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1 litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you of course. -- Sally in Shropshire, UK bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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from "H Ryder" contains these words: Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Lakeland - but like all things there, not cheap. For next year, haunt jumble sales and charity shops - you can still get Kilner rings, though I don't think Sutcliffe are still made. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
-- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder" wrote: Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap): http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1 litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you of course. I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars instead of ordinary jars. My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles, chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly. I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy cled jars. |
I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive)
jars instead of ordinary jars. My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles, chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. So have hundreds and hundreds of people before you, but some do 'like to be posh' and be of the 'we only use the proper things don't you know' Mike |
"H Ryder" wrote in message ... Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Hayley If you are anywhere near me we are trying to get rid of a load of old kilner type jars :~) -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
pammyT wrote:
[-] I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars instead of ordinary jars. My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles, chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly. I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy cled jars. I too have some ancient jars of marmalade and jam, not to mention maturing fruit vinegars. Lovely. The short answer to your question is that it depends entirely on what you're bottling, how you're doing it, and whether you know what you're doing. If the fruit is acidic, or you add acid (vinegar) or masses of sugar, (as you do when making real jam or chutneys) jam jars are probably ok. For the long answer in exquisite detail visit rec.food.preserving. Some of them do go over the top a bit, though. regards sarah -- Think of it as evolution in action. |
On 7/8/05 12:42 pm, in article , "H
Ryder" wrote: Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Hayley I bought Kilner jars from a local ironmonger's shop two years ago, so you could try that. Or you could do a Google search. Don't be tempted into using big containers left over from somewhere-or-other because once you open them, you will have to gobble up the contents very quickly! Of course, you could always hang out at the local glass skip and ask people for their old jam jars, pickle jars etc. before they chuck them. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
On 7/8/05 4:50 pm, in article ,
"pammyT" fenlandfowl @talktalk.net wrote: -- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder" wrote: Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap): http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...re/en/-/GBP/Di splayProductInformation-Start;sid=sEEITv1ZuEqUVr-vtvQESFWZDfQdPGwQ30I=?Product ID=TEbCy5OSAHIAAADmiCa2gFhP If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1 litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you of course. I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars instead of ordinary jars. I don't think the OP asked for 'proper' or expensive. She just asked for jars and Lakeland was one suggested source, that's all. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
Try asking in any hotel or catering establishment. Lots of things come in glass jars in 'larger than household' volume. If you have ever been or get the chance to visit a Caterers Cash and Carry, you will see that goods are in two sections. Quantities in large volume bottles and tins for the Caterers and cling film wrapped trays of smaller quantities such as jars of marmalade at 1lb for the shops, but would be 7lbs for the hotels. (Before someone picks me up on this particular item, yes I know that preserves for the table now come in a 'one off' sealed form, but we used 7lbs jars etc) It would appear that 'some people' may have thought that I meant for you to go into the Cash and Carry and buy goods in wholesale format. Not at all, I was explaining where these larger jars and containers are used, thus go and visit the catering establishments, FOR THEIR EMPTY ONES :-((((. Sorry I will use smaller words and spell them out better next time. Mike |
I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam
jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk thank you everyone for the advice :). Are these okay to boil? I was a bit concerned that the rubber rings might melt or something - I'm sure this is a stupid question but I wasn't sure if these jars with rings were actually intended for preserving or were just for show IYSWIM :) Incidentally I'm not necessarily looking for "posh" jars, it's just that I've never tried this before, or in fact eaten bottled fruit before, and figured that my best bet woudl be to try doing it using the "official" equipment first before embarking on anythign more inventive, that way I'd find out what it was supposed to look and taste like and woudl have some basis to compare my future, probably more opportunist attempts to IYSWIM :) Hayley |
On 8/8/05 0:19, in article , "H
Ryder" wrote: I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk thank you everyone for the advice :). Are these okay to boil? I was a bit concerned that the rubber rings might melt or something - I'm sure this is a stupid question but I wasn't sure if these jars with rings were actually intended for preserving or were just for show IYSWIM :) Incidentally I'm not necessarily looking for "posh" jars, it's just that I've never tried this before, or in fact eaten bottled fruit before, and figured that my best bet woudl be to try doing it using the "official" equipment first before embarking on anythign more inventive, that way I'd find out what it was supposed to look and taste like and woudl have some basis to compare my future, probably more opportunist attempts to IYSWIM :) Hayley Kilner jars were used specifically for preserving fruit so I don't think you have any problems there. The thing would be to go to the Lakeland site and see what they recommend. Then, if doubts remain, I'd email them or ring them with your queries. For doing e.g. Peaches in brandy, all you need are sterilised jars, enough liquid to cover the fruit and an airtight lid. The ones we've been given don't have any rubber seal and are just re-used large jars like e.g. Hellmann's mayonnaise jars. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:50:21 +0100, "pammyT" fenlandfowl
@talktalk.net wrote: -- "Sally Thompson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder" wrote: snip I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk and this is the particular link (watch the word wrap): http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bi...AADmiC a2gFhP If the link doesn't work, search for items 3813 or 3814. They do mail order, and the jars are 6 for £10.75 (half litre) or 6 for £11.95 (1 litre). For bottling fruit, I personally recommend you buy the proper jars like this rather than use ordinary jam jars, but that's up to you of course. I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars instead of ordinary jars. My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles, chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly. I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy cled jars. Pammy, I too use and re-use old jam jars (and lids) for my jams and marmalades, but I have always used the "proper" preserving jars (also re-using them) for picked onions and bottled fruit. The reason is lost in the mists of time, but I suppose it's because the preserving jars are thicker and tougher and perhaps better for the techniques of bottling fruit, whereas jams etc are not cooked in the jar but merely poured into hot jars. As I said to the OP, the choice is up to her/him. -- Sally in Shropshire, UK bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:10:21 +0200, martin wrote:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:19:28 GMT, "H Ryder" wrote: I assume you are talking about actual preserving jars, rather than jam jars. You can get them from Lakeland Limited: www.lakelandlimited.co.uk thank you everyone for the advice :). Are these okay to boil? I was a bit concerned that the rubber rings might melt or something - I'm sure this is a stupid question but I wasn't sure if these jars with rings were actually intended for preserving or were just for show IYSWIM :) Don't you boil with the lids open/off? I don't boil them but wash through, and then rinse off with boiling water from the kettle. I then place in a warm oven to thoroughly dry. The rubber rings I remove before placing in the oven but now you've got me curious as to whether that's necessary |
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from "pammyT" fenlandfowl @talktalk.net contains these words: I'd be interested to know why one should use 'proper' (and expensive) jars instead of ordinary jars. My whole life I have preserved fruit , made jam, marmalade, pickles, chutneys etc etc and always recycled jam, coffee, sauce etc jars. I run them through the dishwasher and store them ready for use. I even reuse the caps and lids they came with. In the case of plastic ones, as the hot product cools, is creates a vacuum , sealing the lid properly. I have some 4 year old jars of 3 fruit marmalade in my cupboards and it is as good as when it was first made. And since I notice the blackberries are ripe already, I will be making some apple and blackberry jam in the next week or so.And I will be using my stock of odd shaped, different sized, recy cled jars. Jams have a high sugar content, the temperature reached by boiling syrup/sugar is much higher than water, so any bacteria in the fruit have been well sterilised by the jam-making process and any-ole-sterilised jar is pretty safe. Preserved fruits/veg don't have anything near the same proportion of sugar added. There's a higher risk of botulism (death) by not preserving fruit/veg in a preserving jar with a rubber seal to make a complete vacuum. Janet. |
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:42:26 GMT, "H Ryder"
wrote: I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Try this company: http://www.bristolbottle.co.uk/index.php They are very near me, and I know someone who gets jars from them, (not cheap) but I'm not sure if they do Kilner jars. (try Jeremy Clarkson; he's a descendant of the original Kilner family). Another friend does a lot of bottling but she's on holiday or I'd ask her. (she bottled lots of the free cherries I wrote about!) She bought some device at Lidl last week, which was a big pan for bottling and I think it contained jars. Some of the old-fashioned iron-mongers who also do household stuff sell them. Pam in Bristol |
In article , Sally Thompson
writes Pammy, I too use and re-use old jam jars (and lids) for my jams and marmalades, but I have always used the "proper" preserving jars (also re-using them) for picked onions and bottled fruit. The reason is lost in the mists of time, but I suppose it's because the preserving jars are thicker and tougher and perhaps better for the techniques of bottling fruit, whereas jams etc are not cooked in the jar but merely poured into hot jars. As I said to the OP, the choice is up to her/him. It could be that the much higher sugar content of jams and marmalades means they are less likely to go off, therefore the quality of the seal is not quite as important. Leave jam open to the air, and it will still be several weeks before it grows hairs. Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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from Sacha contains these words: Leave jam open to the air, and it will still be several weeks before it grows hairs. Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days. So perhaps the safest way to bottle it is to do the 'peaches in brandy' thing? Yesh. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
On 9/8/05 11:00, in article ,
"martin" wrote: On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:23:22 +0100, Sacha wrote: Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days. So perhaps the safest way to bottle it is to do the 'peaches in brandy' thing? Eat the peaches and drink the brandy? I'm surprised you have to ask! Actually, pour some of the brandy over the peaches and add a little double cream. Yum! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
On 9/8/05 16:19, in article ,
"martin" wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:16:37 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 9/8/05 11:00, in article , "martin" wrote: On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:23:22 +0100, Sacha wrote: Leave bottled fruit open and it will be mouldy within a few days. So perhaps the safest way to bottle it is to do the 'peaches in brandy' thing? Eat the peaches and drink the brandy? I'm surprised you have to ask! Actually, pour some of the brandy over the peaches and add a little double cream. Yum! :-) and the bottle goes in the bank? If you can still find your way there......... And to go even further OT while thinking of fruit with booze - one of my favourite stand-by puds is bananas baked in their skins until the skins go black. Put the still hot bananas onto individual plates, let the lucky guest slit them open on one side with the tines of a fork and into the 'purse' thus created, pour rum or brandy and a little cream. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
-- "H Ryder" wrote in message ... Sorry if this seems irrelevant to gardening but it is the garden producing the problem :) I have a garden full of fruit which I'd like to bottle. Someone has lent me a "device" (urn-type-thing) to do this in but I'm struggling to source some bottles or jars. Does anyone know where I can get hold of bottles or preserving jars for this? TIA, Hayley http://search.ebay.co.uk/kilner_W0QQfromZR40 |
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