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I seem to have you rattled! Two posts when one was directed to Larry! My! You really want to get out more you little ****! My cat is fast a sleep on my bed and has been so since 14.00! I have a cat that never scratches my antique leather suite, or my wool berber carpet or anything else for that matter! He might be, as you claim, the best behaved cat in the World! Should I contact The Guinness Book of Records George? Or should you get out more instead of mouthing off on this NG? The only thing I worry about, when I'm not home, is some ****, just like you, shooting my cat with an air rifle; because then I would have to go to jail, for life, after I had killed some ****, just like you George, with my bare hands! "Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:54:51 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: "Gorgeous George" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:23:26 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: My cat sleeps on the bottom of my bed all night and is locked in! My cat has a sand pit in my garden where he goes to the toilet! My cat is tagged and neutered (got him from a rescue centre)! He has a red leather collar with a bell on! Going good so far. When I am at work he spends most of the time either in my warm greenhouse or in my house which he enters through one of my numerous cat flaps and these places is where I usually find him when I come home from work, shopping, washing the car etc! So he can come and go at will, destroy wildlife at will and shit on peoples gardens at will. Are you really so naive as to believe your cat does none of the abive when you are not there? (abive? Is that a spelling mistake?) Um! Already said he has a sand pit to go to the toilet in! He goes first thing in the morning and I have not seen him do it again unless he is sick! If he is sick he goes in his sand pit again! Are you reading my post or are you purposely skipping certain parts of it? Um! are you really so stupid as to believe that crap? You have the best behaved cat in the world who never ventures out of the garden, locks itself in the greenhouse and sunbathes until it's naive owner comes home to wipe it's arse? No my cat can't lock himself in the greenhouse, he doesn't have hands! You prat! Does it put the milk bottles out too! I tend to buy six pint milk containers from Sainsburys! Prat! You sure it's a cat and not a tortoise you have? The last time I checked he was a cat! Even my vet said so! You dick head! So am I a responsible cat owner George? Far better then most. Maybe you should gather more facts before spouting off? Maybe you should try reading what you respond to first. Tell me which part, tell us all which part of my post is incorrect. (OK!) I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? (Too busy either sleeping or keeping cats out of his own garden actually!) Sadly that would be an accurate picture of the majority of irresponsible cat owners, and then again left out all night. (See above which makes you incorrect again!) THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' (If I did not give a toss where he goes to the toilet I wouldn't have made him a sand pit!) All of the above is incorrect! Happy now that I have pointed it out to you? You have merely pointed out what a naive fool you are, or you think us extremely naive. No! I think you are an irritaing **** with so much time on your hands that you don't know what to do with it all! Why do you insist on claiming that your views are everyone elses views to? Why do you say things like 'us' and 'we' when it is all your pathetic views? Going to do some gardening now! You want to get out more George! I should think so, try it a little more often you may actually see your cat doing what all cats do. Um! He's currently sleeping on my bed but he'll soon be up to be fed. Then he will play with his toys in my living room, like he does every night! And then he will sleep next to me on my leather sofa, like he does every night! And then he'll come up and sleep on the bottom of my bed as usual! As you can see he does damn sight more than you do in a day George and he's a lot less irritating than you! You've been flaming people on this NG for some time, well it's pay back time you little ****! . ************************************************** ************************** ********* Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. 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Who the hell was asking you dick head? Your name Larry as well?
Speak when spoken to! And shut up when not spoken to! Badger "Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:57:10 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: Larry How would you propose to 'Trap' a cat in your garden without hurting it or distressing it in any way? Badger You don't "trap" it, you control it, same as you would a dog. Train it to crap outside and then bring it back inside, cats are quite smart you know. Then you spread the word to all the other ******* who don't look after their cats. . ************************************************** ************************** ********* Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ |
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"mandy thomas" wrote in
message ... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? A possible solution if anyone wants to market this - You can get small alarms to attach to your wallet/briefcase so that if it gets too far away from you ( you drop it, forget it or it is stolen ), it sounds an alarm. If the alarm was tuned to the frequency of those cat scaring gadgets, you could put one end in your house and the other part on the cat's collar. Whenever it strayed too far from the house it would get a burst of sonar. It'd learn pretty quickly not to stray. I don't have a cat, and I don't like them leaving a mess in my garden but I just accept them as one of those fairly minor inconveniences that I can't do anything about. I more or less agree and usually just scoop the mess up with a trowel and fling it to the back of the border, out of the way where it can decompose. It's more of a problem when they keep doing it on the veg though. Martin |
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Martin
Not being abusive here just trying to point out that cats are very territorial and never stray too far away from 'base camp' anyway! My cat often has a starring match with a cat down the road, but as it always comes to nothing as he will never venture that far away! Badger "Martin Sykes" wrote in message ... "mandy thomas" wrote in message ... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? A possible solution if anyone wants to market this - You can get small alarms to attach to your wallet/briefcase so that if it gets too far away from you ( you drop it, forget it or it is stolen ), it sounds an alarm. If the alarm was tuned to the frequency of those cat scaring gadgets, you could put one end in your house and the other part on the cat's collar. Whenever it strayed too far from the house it would get a burst of sonar. It'd learn pretty quickly not to stray. I don't have a cat, and I don't like them leaving a mess in my garden but I just accept them as one of those fairly minor inconveniences that I can't do anything about. I more or less agree and usually just scoop the mess up with a trowel and fling it to the back of the border, out of the way where it can decompose. It's more of a problem when they keep doing it on the veg though. Martin |
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"Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:57:33 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: George I seem to have you rattled! Lets get one thing straight. I never ever get rattled, everything I do is cool, calculated and for deliberate effect. Many have claimed to have got the better of me, many have tried to rattle me, it just hasnt happened. So don't flatter yourself old chum. You're rattled bid time! Two posts when one was directed to Larry! My! I don't care who a post is for, on a public forum I can stick my beak in when and wherever I so wish. You do often! Nosey irritating person that you are! You really want to get out more you little ****! Oh dear now who's rattled? what next, you'll come and give me a kicking? maggot shit. My cat is fast a sleep on my bed and has been so since 14.00! Good, so at least he isn't killing wildlife or shitting in someone elses garden. Whats wrong with that? He has a sand pit! How many more times you ignorant idiot? I have a cat that never scratches my antique leather suite, or my wool berber carpet or anything else for that matter! He might be, as you claim, the best behaved cat in the World! Hooray for that. I never doubted it was possible. The question posed was that most cat owners couldnt give a crap. Should I contact The Guinness Book of Records George? Contact the Queen mum for all I care, do they do seances in your area? Or should you get out more instead of mouthing off on this NG? This is easy, I have plenty of time for a real life and to tackle ****s on newsgroups. But you are the **** on this NG! The only thing I worry about, when I'm not home, is some ****, just like you, shooting my cat with an air rifle; Well that just goes to show how you are such a prat getting your knickers in a twist over completely the wrong reasons. If I caught anyone harming any animal with a gun or otherwise, I would kick their arse from here to kingdom come, claim they fell and then drag them up the old bill shop. You're so caring and sensitive! I think not! because then I would have to go to jail, for life, after I had killed some ****, just like you George, with my bare hands! Oh yawn, yawn, yawn...anythime you feel brave enough just come right on by poppett. I just love digging for worms. |
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"Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:54:10 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: "Gorgeous George" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:57:33 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: George I seem to have you rattled! Lets get one thing straight. I never ever get rattled, everything I do is cool, calculated and for deliberate effect. Many have claimed to have got the better of me, many have tried to rattle me, it just hasnt happened. So don't flatter yourself old chum. You're rattled bid time! I never bid on losers. What you don't ever favour yourself? Two posts when one was directed to Larry! My! I don't care who a post is for, on a public forum I can stick my beak in when and wherever I so wish. You do often! Nosey irritating person that you are! Nice to know I have maximum effect. No! It's nice to know you realise you are a ****! You really want to get out more you little ****! Oh dear now who's rattled? what next, you'll come and give me a kicking? maggot shit. My cat is fast a sleep on my bed and has been so since 14.00! Good, so at least he isn't killing wildlife or shitting in someone elses garden. Whats wrong with that? He has a sand pit! How many more times you ignorant idiot? I don't care if he has a gravel pit dopey, he still wanders all around the area, that's what cats do. except yours of course!! What you wander around and shit in peoples gardens after you've been in the morning? How many times? He has a sand pit and he goes in that! Are you really so ignorant that you can't understand? Dick head! Bullshit. So you have a cat that knows how to use a bucket and spade, so what! I do that bit when he's been in his sand pit! You really are a **** arn't you? I have a cat that never scratches my antique leather suite, or my wool berber carpet or anything else for that matter! He might be, as you claim, the best behaved cat in the World! Hooray for that. I never doubted it was possible. The question posed was that most cat owners couldnt give a crap. Should I contact The Guinness Book of Records George? Contact the Queen mum for all I care, do they do seances in your area? Or should you get out more instead of mouthing off on this NG? This is easy, I have plenty of time for a real life and to tackle ****s on newsgroups. But you are the **** on this NG! I can safely say you have now been given that title, with honours. But no one likes you! I bet even your family likes you! You're a virgin arn't you? The only thing I worry about, when I'm not home, is some ****, just like you, shooting my cat with an air rifle; Well that just goes to show how you are such a prat getting your knickers in a twist over completely the wrong reasons. If I caught anyone harming any animal with a gun or otherwise, I would kick their arse from here to kingdom come, claim they fell and then drag them up the old bill shop. You're so caring and sensitive! I think not! Like your opinion matters. Correct me if I am wrong. I will you ****! You want to get out more loser! |
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Little Badger wrote:
Larry How would you propose to 'Trap' a cat in your garden without hurting it or distressing it in any way? Badger snips ........ There are cage-type traps available for animals of cat size. Provided the trap contained food and water and/or the trapped animal was not left inside for a long period, I do not believe cruelty would occur, although the animal would possibly be distressed. Incidentally, if the animal is a stray, it would seem that it can be shot. There was a case recently where somebody who had done this was prosecuted for cruelty and found not guilty. Of course, the risk is that it is difficult to tell if an animal is a stray until you have checked it for tags, etc. In my suburban garden, shooting would not be an option anyway and I would personally not wish to kill a cat anyway - I would sooner hand it to somebody to euthanase with drugs. -- Larry Stoter |
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Charlie wrote:
I've been following this thread for a while and I have a question. How do you expect owners to "control" cats? This is by no means meant to be an argument, but simply a question. Not really my problem, is it? Although there do seem to be cat owners who do manage to exercise control over their animals. Personally, I would say it should be kept indoors or in a purpose-built fenced area in the garden. My cat is 14 years old but still climbs my trees and catches birds. (which I have no objection, we have loads nesting round our house and garden and it only serves to keep this population down). He goes into other gardens, but we've had no complains, most of them feed him anyway! He attacks any cats that attempts to come into our garden (they learn pretty quickly) and he doesn't cause hassle to anyone. Am I a responsible owner? Sorry, just wondered how to control my cat more efficiently! Charlie. I feel you are relying on your neighbours tolerance to avoid properly controling your cat. It might be polite to actually check with your neighbours if they object. Cat are efficient predators and by nature kill birds and small mammals but pet cats are probably of no threat to any bird species. Although, even House Sparrow populations are dropping dramatically in some parts of the country. Feral cats may be more of a problem to certain endangered species. My objection is that I prefer wild birds and attact numerous species into my garden by providing food and water. I don't feel it is fair to expose them to predators who have been given a competitive edge although I have no difficulties with natural predators. Sorry, but I would consider that it is irresponsible to allow your cat to wander outside your garden. Larry Stoter |
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mandy thomas wrote:
snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. I don't have a cat, and I don't like them leaving a mess in my garden but I just accept them as one of those fairly minor inconveniences that I can't do anything about. But I don't consider it a minor inconvenience, especially when they urinate and defaecate on the veg. And toxoplasma gondii is not a minor inconvenience to anybody who is pregnant. As long as it's legal to own cats, and to allow them outside, then there's not a whole lot you can do about it. Best not to get too het up about things you can't change. Well, the hope is that the government panel currently considering toxoplasma gondii will decide that cats need controlling. And while the things that can be done are limited, there are possibilities. For example, 12 or more cats may be considered as a cat sanctuary which needs planning permission. And, in principle, local environmental health bodies have the power to act against an animal that is a health hazard which parents could well argue in the case of animals defaecating around young children. -- Larry Stoter |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... mandy thomas wrote: snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. To say that it's not your problem is a cop-out. The fact is, it's impossible to train your cat in this way. So the issue then becomes: should it be illegal to own a cat? If it's legal, there's not a lot you can do about it as there is no way of training your cat in the way you would like. If the health issues are as compelling as you say then it would be more productive to campaign for the banning of cats altogether than complaining that owners aren't training their pets properly. |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... : Little Badger wrote: : : Larry : How would you propose to 'Trap' a cat in your garden without hurting it or : distressing it in any way? : : Badger : : snips ........ : : There are cage-type traps available for animals of cat size. Provided : the trap contained food and water and/or the trapped animal was not left : inside for a long period, I do not believe cruelty would occur, although : the animal would possibly be distressed. : : Incidentally, if the animal is a stray, it would seem that it can be : shot. There was a case recently where somebody who had done this was : prosecuted for cruelty and found not guilty. Of course, the risk is that : it is difficult to tell if an animal is a stray until you have checked : it for tags, etc. In my suburban garden, shooting would not be an option : anyway and I would personally not wish to kill a cat anyway - I would : sooner hand it to somebody to euthanase with drugs. : -- : Larry Stoter Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe animal charities' policy is to euthanase a healthy animal. Certainly it is not the policy of Cats Protection. They will neuter all animals that come to their centres, microchip them and find a loving home for them, which has to be inspected before a cat is allowed to reside there. I do wish people would concern themselves with cruelty and neglect of animals rather than get paranoid about what they are doing or may do to their precious gardens. I love my very old rescued cat and my garden and all the creatures that pass through it. K |
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Sorry I'll ignore you later!
I've got to go to the cinema for a late night showing! May I recommend you get out more yourself? Virgin! Badger "Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:12:47 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: "Gorgeous George" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:54:10 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: "Gorgeous George" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:57:33 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: George I seem to have you rattled! Lets get one thing straight. I never ever get rattled, everything I do is cool, calculated and for deliberate effect. Many have claimed to have got the better of me, many have tried to rattle me, it just hasnt happened. So don't flatter yourself old chum. You're rattled bid time! I never bid on losers. What you don't ever favour yourself? I'm a surefire winner, odds on all the time. Two posts when one was directed to Larry! My! I don't care who a post is for, on a public forum I can stick my beak in when and wherever I so wish. You do often! Nosey irritating person that you are! Nice to know I have maximum effect. No! It's nice to know you realise you are a ****! Ouch. That may have worked in playschool sunshine, but trust me when I say it has no effect here. You really want to get out more you little ****! Oh dear now who's rattled? what next, you'll come and give me a kicking? maggot shit. My cat is fast a sleep on my bed and has been so since 14.00! Good, so at least he isn't killing wildlife or shitting in someone elses garden. Whats wrong with that? He has a sand pit! How many more times you ignorant idiot? I don't care if he has a gravel pit dopey, he still wanders all around the area, that's what cats do. except yours of course!! What you wander around and shit in peoples gardens after you've been in the morning? I have more dumps then a horse each day, I have to, I thrive on bullshit here all the time. How many times? He has a sand pit and he goes in that! Are you really so ignorant that you can't understand? Dick head! Ouch again....you can be so cruel for a cuddly teddy bear. Bullshit. So you have a cat that knows how to use a bucket and spade, so what! I do that bit when he's been in his sand pit! You really are a **** arn't you? You mean you play in the shit box too? oh dear. I have a cat that never scratches my antique leather suite, or my wool berber carpet or anything else for that matter! He might be, as you claim, the best behaved cat in the World! Hooray for that. I never doubted it was possible. The question posed was that most cat owners couldnt give a crap. Should I contact The Guinness Book of Records George? Contact the Queen mum for all I care, do they do seances in your area? Or should you get out more instead of mouthing off on this NG? This is easy, I have plenty of time for a real life and to tackle ****s on newsgroups. But you are the **** on this NG! I can safely say you have now been given that title, with honours. But no one likes you! I bet even your family likes you! You're a virgin arn't you? Correct except the virgin bit, I know what it's like to f*ck, that's what I have been doing to you all day. The only thing I worry about, when I'm not home, is some ****, just like you, shooting my cat with an air rifle; Well that just goes to show how you are such a prat getting your knickers in a twist over completely the wrong reasons. If I caught anyone harming any animal with a gun or otherwise, I would kick their arse from here to kingdom come, claim they fell and then drag them up the old bill shop. You're so caring and sensitive! I think not! Like your opinion matters. Correct me if I am wrong. I will you ****! You want to get out more loser! Ouch again, you can just be soo cruel, you big girls blouse. Hey Dick Maclaren, whatever happened to the competition? No wonder you had such a free rein here. . ************************************************** ************************** ********* Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ |
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The only way you could keep a cat in a garden would be by building a roof
over the garden and by dropping the fence a few feet into the ground! We're friendly with most our neighbours and I would have thought that they would say something. As I said, they all feed him so they obviously don't mind him! Anyway, I was just wondering what your ideas were. Charlie. "Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... Charlie wrote: I've been following this thread for a while and I have a question. How do you expect owners to "control" cats? This is by no means meant to be an argument, but simply a question. Not really my problem, is it? Although there do seem to be cat owners who do manage to exercise control over their animals. Personally, I would say it should be kept indoors or in a purpose-built fenced area in the garden. My cat is 14 years old but still climbs my trees and catches birds. (which I have no objection, we have loads nesting round our house and garden and it only serves to keep this population down). He goes into other gardens, but we've had no complains, most of them feed him anyway! He attacks any cats that attempts to come into our garden (they learn pretty quickly) and he doesn't cause hassle to anyone. Am I a responsible owner? Sorry, just wondered how to control my cat more efficiently! Charlie. I feel you are relying on your neighbours tolerance to avoid properly controling your cat. It might be polite to actually check with your neighbours if they object. Cat are efficient predators and by nature kill birds and small mammals but pet cats are probably of no threat to any bird species. Although, even House Sparrow populations are dropping dramatically in some parts of the country. Feral cats may be more of a problem to certain endangered species. My objection is that I prefer wild birds and attact numerous species into my garden by providing food and water. I don't feel it is fair to expose them to predators who have been given a competitive edge although I have no difficulties with natural predators. Sorry, but I would consider that it is irresponsible to allow your cat to wander outside your garden. Larry Stoter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... Charlie wrote: I feel you are relying on your neighbours tolerance to avoid properly controling your cat. It might be polite to actually check with your neighbours if they object. Larry Stoter Larry Hate to say this but most of my immediate neighbours all own cats too! Badger |
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"Charlie" wrote in message ... The only way you could keep a cat in a garden would be by building a roof over the garden and by dropping the fence a few feet into the ground! I once encountered a woman who kept lots of cats (double figures), and they were not allowed to roam free - she had built extensive wire enclosures in her back garden, linked to the back door of the house by a wire 'tunnel'. Of course, she was a little eccentric ... |
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"mandy thomas" wrote in message ... "Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... mandy thomas wrote: snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. To say that it's not your problem is a cop-out. The fact is, it's impossible to train your cat in this way. So the issue then becomes: should it be illegal to own a cat? If it's legal, there's not a lot you can do about it as there is no way of training your cat in the way you would like. If the health issues are as compelling as you say then it would be more productive to campaign for the banning of cats altogether than complaining that owners aren't training their pets properly. It does not necessarily become a matter of making cat ownership illegal, it might become a matter of making cat owners responsible and accountable for the actions of their animals, the excuse 'we can't stop them' being no defence. |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:11:06 -0000, "BAC"
wrote: "mandy thomas" wrote in message ... "Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... mandy thomas wrote: snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. To say that it's not your problem is a cop-out. The fact is, it's impossible to train your cat in this way. So the issue then becomes: should it be illegal to own a cat? If it's legal, there's not a lot you can do about it as there is no way of training your cat in the way you would like. If the health issues are as compelling as you say then it would be more productive to campaign for the banning of cats altogether than complaining that owners aren't training their pets properly. It does not necessarily become a matter of making cat ownership illegal, it might become a matter of making cat owners responsible and accountable for the actions of their animals, the excuse 'we can't stop them' being no defence. That's right, I think it's clearly a case of the owners actually facing up to the problems their pets can cause. Even restricting their free range to once or twice per day would have remarkable effects on wildlife damage. Certainly neutering etc should be made compulsory. |
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I have six cats, now Im not sure if this is going to work in the longterm
but it's worked for over a week now, so it may help a little. Because I have chucks also I've had to fence off the new veggie plot using chicken wire and stakes to a height of 5'. At the top of each stake I've stapled plastic flower pots. The cats climb up the stakes and reach the pots and just go down again. I find the pots very handy to keep seeds, secauters, string etc in. Also Im going to try planting strawberry plants in them . Its working for me and and turned out handy too..perhaps this may help if cats r a problem :) "Malcolm" wrote in message s.com... On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:11:06 -0000, "BAC" wrote: "mandy thomas" wrote in message ... "Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... mandy thomas wrote: snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. To say that it's not your problem is a cop-out. The fact is, it's impossible to train your cat in this way. So the issue then becomes: should it be illegal to own a cat? If it's legal, there's not a lot you can do about it as there is no way of training your cat in the way you would like. If the health issues are as compelling as you say then it would be more productive to campaign for the banning of cats altogether than complaining that owners aren't training their pets properly. It does not necessarily become a matter of making cat ownership illegal, it might become a matter of making cat owners responsible and accountable for the actions of their animals, the excuse 'we can't stop them' being no defence. That's right, I think it's clearly a case of the owners actually facing up to the problems their pets can cause. Even restricting their free range to once or twice per day would have remarkable effects on wildlife damage. Certainly neutering etc should be made compulsory. |
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mandy thomas wrote:
"Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... mandy thomas wrote: snips .... How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? Not really my problem - if an owner can't train it to remain in the garden, then keep it indoors or in a fenced area in the garden. To say that it's not your problem is a cop-out. The fact is, it's impossible to train your cat in this way. So the issue then becomes: should it be illegal to own a cat? If it's legal, there's not a lot you can do about it as there is no way of training your cat in the way you would like. If the health issues are as compelling as you say then it would be more productive to campaign for the banning of cats altogether than complaining that owners aren't training their pets properly. OK - keep it indoors or in a fenced run in the garden. -- Larry Stoter |
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K wrote:
snips ..... Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe animal charities' policy is to euthanase a healthy animal. Certainly it is not the policy of Cats Protection. They will neuter all animals that come to their centres, microchip them and find a loving home for them, which has to be inspected before a cat is allowed to reside there. I do wish people would concern themselves with cruelty and neglect of animals rather than get paranoid about what they are doing or may do to their precious gardens. I love my very old rescued cat and my garden and all the creatures that pass through it. K You are confusing two separate issues. I am against cruelty to animals and believe that people who are either deliberately cruel to their pets or who commit cruelty by neglect or ignorance should be prosecuted. This includes people who have large numbers of pets which are not kept clean or fed properly. I would also consider uncontrolled breeding of pet cats and dogs as cruelty. However, that is nothing to do with owners controlling their animals. If you wish to have a pet cat, I have no objection. What I object to is it coming into my garden and not having any means of dealing with the problem. -- Larry Stoter |
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BAC wrote:
"Charlie" wrote in message ... The only way you could keep a cat in a garden would be by building a roof over the garden and by dropping the fence a few feet into the ground! I once encountered a woman who kept lots of cats (double figures), and they were not allowed to roam free - she had built extensive wire enclosures in her back garden, linked to the back door of the house by a wire 'tunnel'. Of course, she was a little eccentric ... She would also probably require planning permission. Keeping of more than ~12 cats may be considered a cat sanctuary. -- Larry Stoter |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message news:1fsce8l.1dcw73hnhkt4iN% However, that is nothing to do with owners controlling their animals. If you wish to have a pet cat, I have no objection. What I object to is it coming into my garden and not having any means of dealing with the problem. I keep a squeezy washing up liquid bottle full of water. If a cat dares to come into my garden I squirt it with the bottle of water.... they don't like that at all and they are not hurt:)) Ophelia |
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Larry Stoter scribbled:
Although, despite having no legal recourse, I think that what prevents me acting against cats is essentially social attitudes. For example, I don't think there is actually anything to stop me trapping cats and taking them to a cat rescue centre 200 miles from where I live. And while you are away another cat will crap in your garden. Steve R |
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The old cat thread raises it's head again. Doh!
Steve R Michael Berridge scribbled: Gorgeous George wrote in message Are you one of these weirdos who feels so unloved they need to have five cats or more? . She probably isn't, and many of us on this NG have cats. Cats is such a common topic that we have had written a FAQ which answers most of the questions you could think of asking. Being directed there, and seeing what has been written, may well answer all the questions, if it doesn't then people can come back and ask the questions that are unanswered. We have had so many people trolling with questions about cats, and bizarre methods of control the enquirers are always pointed in the FAQ direction first, the same goes for a number of other questions. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:38:27 -0000, "Michael Berridge"
wrote: Cats is such a common topic that we have had written a FAQ which answers most of the questions you could think of asking. Being directed there, and seeing what has been written, may well answer all the questions, if it doesn't then people can come back and ask the questions that are unanswered. We have had so many people trolling with questions about cats, and bizarre methods of control the enquirers are always pointed in the FAQ direction first, the same goes for a number of other questions. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk So, why not point to a URL for this FAQ? or, are you only limited to one link per post, whether it's related to gardening or not? http://blacksbeach.org/blacks.html Bart |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:30:09 -0000, "Little Badger"
wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... On 18 Mar 2003 17:58:13 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , (Larry Stoter) writes: | | Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue | centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be | illegal in the UK? Unless you had strong reasons to believe that they are strays, yes, or at least it would be a tort. It might be regarded as cruelty, which would be a crime. If you are virtually certain they they are strays, I know of nothing that stops you from humanely killing them. How does UK jurisprudence determine virtual certainty? Must someone maintain a current database of owner/animal associations for their neighborhood? It seems that one could reasonably assume any free wandering animal on their property to be a stray, therefore would be entitled to humanely euthanize same. Sorry won't work in this country! My cat has it's ID chip under it's skin, you can't see it! If someone was to assume my cat was a stray, and kill it, they would be in big trouble; as the law stands! If they can't see the implant, are they then required to trap, subdue, and scan any animals wandering freely across their property? Is this transponder scanning equipment going to be made available to the general public, and at what expense? Wouldn't this protocol tend to put the burden of responsibility on the owners of domestic animals, where I believe it belongs? Just a few rhetorical exercises, since I live in a inner city neighborhood in California, where any domestic animals around here live indoors, and are accompanied by owners when taken outside. Bart Bart |
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Bart Bailey wrote:
snips ....... Sorry won't work in this country! My cat has it's ID chip under it's skin, you can't see it! If someone was to assume my cat was a stray, and kill it, they would be in big trouble; as the law stands! If they can't see the implant, are they then required to trap, subdue, and scan any animals wandering freely across their property? Is this transponder scanning equipment going to be made available to the general public, and at what expense? snips ..... -- Larry Stoter |
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Bart Bailey wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:30:09 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: snips....... Sorry won't work in this country! My cat has it's ID chip under it's skin, you can't see it! If someone was to assume my cat was a stray, and kill it, they would be in big trouble; as the law stands! If they can't see the implant, are they then required to trap, subdue, and scan any animals wandering freely across their property? Is this transponder scanning equipment going to be made available to the general public, and at what expense? snips ........ I think that in the UK (and the USA), the the legal question would be one of "reasonable belief". That is, was it reasonable to believe that the animal was a stray. So, in the case of a healthy, clean, well groomed animal, I think a court would consider that it was "unreasonable" to consider it a stray, even if there were no obvious identity marks. On the other hand, I think it could be argued that is was reasonable to consider an apparently unhealthy, dirty animal as a stray, especially if it carried no obvious identity marks, irrespective of whether it was chipped or not. -- Larry Stoter |
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Lucky for me my cat is impeccably groomed!
Badger "Larry Stoter" wrote in message o.uk... Bart Bailey wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:30:09 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: snips....... Sorry won't work in this country! My cat has it's ID chip under it's skin, you can't see it! If someone was to assume my cat was a stray, and kill it, they would be in big trouble; as the law stands! If they can't see the implant, are they then required to trap, subdue, and scan any animals wandering freely across their property? Is this transponder scanning equipment going to be made available to the general public, and at what expense? snips ........ I think that in the UK (and the USA), the the legal question would be one of "reasonable belief". That is, was it reasonable to believe that the animal was a stray. So, in the case of a healthy, clean, well groomed animal, I think a court would consider that it was "unreasonable" to consider it a stray, even if there were no obvious identity marks. On the other hand, I think it could be argued that is was reasonable to consider an apparently unhealthy, dirty animal as a stray, especially if it carried no obvious identity marks, irrespective of whether it was chipped or not. -- Larry Stoter |
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"julie manns" wrote in message ...
can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. I don't know about the plants, but I'm having some luck keeping them from defecating in the soil having buried wire mesh just below the surface. Its the type with 20cm squares. A few have had a paw at the soil, but having found the mesh didn't stay around. It's supposed to be good for squirrels too. You can also use it hooped in a slightly raised position around the top of a wall to stop them getting into the garden that way. baiscally they can't tip-toe through it. HTH |
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Warwick wrote:
snips...... I wish people would get themselves straight on this one. The old wives' tale that once a woman is pregnant she must banish all cats from her household is simply not true. possibly ..... T.Gondii infects the vast majority of cats while they are kittens. An adult cat has thrown out the parasite unless it it immunosuppressed in some way (cat HIV). The risks to the mother are highest during the first trimester. If you say so, although the article in New Scientist some months ago did not mention that adult cats were immune and I haven't seen that claimed anywhere else. As a precaution pregnant women are advised to avoid all fecal matter from cats throughout pregnancy. To increase the risk by being accurate you should say that pregnant women should avoid ingesting fecal matter of kittens and sick cats for the first half of pregnancy. Including adult cats? And how much fecal matter needs to be ingested? Flies, beetles and cockroaches are common carriers of T.Gondii and their fecal matter can harbour live eggs. The fly and beetle matter is much more likely to be present in the soil when gardning and a T.Gondii infection from such a source is overwhelmingly likely to be the source of an accidental gardening infection (presumably you don't know you've had your hand on a speck of fly crap and are more likely to e.g. get that small splinter out with your teeth than if the splinter came after you'd encountered cat faeces). Hmm .... If a speck of insect fecal matter is a risk, then touching cats strikes me as a serious problem. Have you watched what cats lick? A pregnant woman should be gardning in gloves especially for the first half of the pregnancy since there's lots of nasties in the soil and T.Gondii is just one of them. Warwick What else is a specific threat to pregnant women? Most of the threats in soil are a general threat to everybody, aren't they? Isn't it only T. gondii which is a specific threat to pregnant women? My understanding is that T. gondii is part of a predator/prey parasitic cycle which changes the behaviour of the prey (small rodents) so that the predator (cats) catches more infected prey, thus amplifying the incidence of the parasite in the predator and prey species. And, as usual, the predator tends to concentrate the the parasite/poison, being at the top of the food chain (e.g. DDT and birds of prey). So, with no evidence, other than a small appreciation of predator/prey dynamics, my first guess would be that a top predator (cat) would concentrate T. gondii parasites much more significantly than insects, much lower down the food chain:-) But I could be wrong! -- Larry Stoter |
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In article , Harry Web
writes "julie manns" wrote in message ... can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. I don't know about the plants, but I'm having some luck keeping them from defecating in the soil having buried wire mesh just below the surface. Its the type with 20cm squares. A few have had a paw at the soil, but having found the mesh didn't stay around. It's supposed to be good for squirrels too. You can also use it hooped in a slightly raised position around the top of a wall to stop them getting into the garden that way. baiscally they can't tip-toe through it. HTH I have just ordered 6 "Scaredy Cat Plants" Coleus Canina from Thompson Morgan Cost £7.99 I will see if that works . Supposed to scare the hell out of cats - a smell that cats can detect but we can't. http://thompson-morgan.com -- John Griffiths Baxenden Lancashire http://www.johngriffiths.net |
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I had some "Pee Off" plants last year. The neighbourhood cats took smug
delight in pooping right on top of them! I won't bother buying any this year. My brother also found they didn't work. YMMV. "John Griffiths" wrote in message ... I have just ordered 6 "Scaredy Cat Plants" Coleus Canina from Thompson Morgan Cost £7.99 I will see if that works . Supposed to scare the hell out of cats - a smell that cats can detect but we can't. http://thompson-morgan.com -- John Griffiths Baxenden Lancashire http://www.johngriffiths.net |
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In article , Jack
writes I had some "Pee Off" plants last year. The neighbourhood cats took smug delight in pooping right on top of them! I won't bother buying any this year. My brother also found they didn't work. YMMV. Carpet gripper along the tops of fences and under gates :-))) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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In article , Harry Web
writes "julie manns" wrote in message ... can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. I don't know about the plants, but I'm having some luck keeping them from defecating in the soil having buried wire mesh just below the surface. Its the type with 20cm squares. A few have had a paw at the soil, but having found the mesh didn't stay around. It's supposed to be good for squirrels too. You can also use it hooped in a slightly raised position around the top of a wall to stop them getting into the garden that way. baiscally they can't tip-toe through it. HTH I have just ordered 6 "Scaredy Cat Plants" Coleus Canina from Thompson Morgan Cost £7.99 I will see if that works . Supposed to scare the hell out of cats - a smell that cats can detect but we can't. http://thompson-morgan.com -- John Griffiths Baxenden Lancashire http://www.johngriffiths.net |
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Today, I've just "planted" a load of unwanted CDs, hoping they might reflect
and scare off the cats. I'll keep you posted as to whether or not it works, although I don't hold out much hope. "Mike" wrote in message ... Carpet gripper along the tops of fences and under gates :-))) |
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The message
from John Griffiths contains these words: I have just ordered 6 "Scaredy Cat Plants" Coleus Canina from Thompson Morgan Cost £7.99 I will see if that works . Supposed to scare the hell out of cats - a smell that cats can detect but we can't. ......unless you touch it, according to T & M's catalogue. -- AnneJ ICQ #:- 119531282 |
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