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can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants.
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"julie manns" wrote in message ... can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. Julie this topic has been discussed lots on this newsgroup. Do a google search in groups and you should find lots of postings on this topic! Natalie |
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"julie manns" wrote can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. You cannot! Cats will be cats, dogs will be dogs, kids will be kids. Not everybody is in to gardening. I just accept it then from time to time a pet will demolish something in the garden, a football will demolish some flowers. I don't live alone in my neighbourhood and not everybody shares my gardening obsession. |
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In article , julie manns
writes can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. In this group, some topics appear with monotonous regularity. This is one of them. When a topic comes up frequently like this one, you will find that a lot of regular posters will not bother to discuss it 'yet again'. They will just inwardly groan and pass on to the next topic. Consequently, any current discussion the topic is likely to be incomplete :( But, do not despair :) We have a faq (frequently asked question), covering the points made in previous discussions. Our faqs can be found by following this link www.tmac.clara.co.uk/urgring/ Also, for the benefit of people new to this group, and to save them from receiving replies which they may consider to be impolite, we have a thread entitled: 'abc for newcomers to uk.rec.gardening'. It is posted once a week and should appear on your newsreader. Please read it. It will point you in the direction of: 1. our faqs (frequently asked questions) 2. our charter 3. netiquette and other bits and bobs -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com |
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"Gorgeous George" wrote You cannot! Cats will be cats, dogs will be dogs, kids will be kids. Not everybody is in to gardening. I just accept it then from time to time a pet will demolish something in the garden, a football will demolish some flowers. I don't live alone in my neighbourhood and not everybody shares my gardening obsession. Are you one of these weirdos who feels so unloved they need to have five cats or more? No I do not have any cats, I once had a dog, I do have a kid and a garden. I am just not one of 'these weirdos' that think my whole neighbourhood should walk around my garden from ten meters distance, because otherwise they would destroy something. |
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In article , Gorgeous George writes: | | If someone stopped you in the street and asked directions to the | nearest brothel would you point them to an FAQ? or just answer the | bloody question! Well I, for one, don't know of any brothels that cater to trolls, so I can't help you. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message ... : In article , julie manns : writes : can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. : : : In this group, some topics appear with monotonous regularity. : This is one of them. When a topic comes up frequently like this one, : you will find that a lot of regular posters will not bother to : discuss it 'yet again'. They will just inwardly groan and pass on to : the next topic. Consequently, any current discussion the topic is : likely to be incomplete :( : But, do not despair :) : We have a faq (frequently asked question), covering the points made : in previous discussions. Our faqs can be found by following this link : www.tmac.clara.co.uk/urgring/ : : Also, for the benefit of people new to this group, and to save them : from receiving replies which they may consider to be impolite, we have : a thread entitled: : : 'abc for newcomers to uk.rec.gardening'. : : It is posted once a week and should appear on your newsreader. : Please read it. It will point you in the direction of: : : 1. our faqs (frequently asked questions) : 2. our charter : 3. netiquette and other bits and bobs : -- : Jane Ransom in Lancaster. : I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg : but if you need to email me for any other reason, : put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com Well done Jane, and thanks. K |
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Gorgeous George wrote in message Are you one of these weirdos who feels so unloved they need to have five cats or more? . She probably isn't, and many of us on this NG have cats. Cats is such a common topic that we have had written a FAQ which answers most of the questions you could think of asking. Being directed there, and seeing what has been written, may well answer all the questions, if it doesn't then people can come back and ask the questions that are unanswered. We have had so many people trolling with questions about cats, and bizarre methods of control the enquirers are always pointed in the FAQ direction first, the same goes for a number of other questions. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Gorgeous George writes: | | If someone stopped you in the street and asked directions to the | nearest brothel would you point them to an FAQ? or just answer the | bloody question! Well I, for one, don't know of any brothels that cater to trolls, so I can't help you. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 I'm sure Captain Vimes would be happy to point you in the right direction;-) -- Larry Stoter |
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Marc W wrote:
"Gorgeous George" wrote You cannot! Cats will be cats, dogs will be dogs, kids will be kids. Not everybody is in to gardening. I just accept it then from time to time a pet will demolish something in the garden, a football will demolish some flowers. I don't live alone in my neighbourhood and not everybody shares my gardening obsession. Are you one of these weirdos who feels so unloved they need to have five cats or more? No I do not have any cats, I once had a dog, I do have a kid and a garden. I am just not one of 'these weirdos' that think my whole neighbourhood should walk around my garden from ten meters distance, because otherwise they would destroy something. I do not want anybody or animal to walk around my garden at 10 meters distance. However, I would prefer they do not walk, or worse, through my garden uninvited. In the case of dogs and people, there are a number of acceptable means of recourse. Regretably, a small proportion of cat owners feel they are entitled to allow the animals they claim to own to enter neighbours gardens without permission. Even worse, I seem to have no legal or social remedy to prevent or discourage this infringement of my property. -- Larry Stoter |
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Marc W wrote:
"Larry Stoter" wrote However, I would prefer they do not walk, or worse, through my garden uninvited. In the case of dogs and people, there are a number of acceptable means of recourse. And if a wild squirrel walks into your garden, you complain to WNF? :-) ROF LOL! My God they will 'love' you as a neighbour in your town, I would guess. To start with, squirrels don't cause me any problems, or at least only minor ones which I am happy to accept. In addition, I can trap, shoot or otherwise dispose of a squirrel and nobody will complain. Similarly if a dog or person comes into my garden and defaecates in the veg, I have various legal and/or socially acceptable means of recourse. But a cat - no, I'm just supposed to accept it. Why? And don't tell me cats are "different". That is their "owners" problem, not mine. I would like either the right to treat them as vermin, like a rat or Grey Squirrel and dispose of them humanely, or be able to call on the local council/police to deal with the owners. -- Larry Stoter |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message .uk... Marc W wrote: "Larry Stoter" wrote However, I would prefer they do not walk, or worse, through my garden uninvited. In the case of dogs and people, there are a number of acceptable means of recourse. And if a wild squirrel walks into your garden, you complain to WNF? :-) ROF LOL! My God they will 'love' you as a neighbour in your town, I would guess. To start with, squirrels don't cause me any problems, or at least only minor ones which I am happy to accept. In addition, I can trap, shoot or otherwise dispose of a squirrel and nobody will complain. Similarly if a dog or person comes into my garden and defaecates in the veg, I have various legal and/or socially acceptable means of recourse. But a cat - no, I'm just supposed to accept it. Why? And don't tell me cats are "different". That is their "owners" problem, not mine. I would like either the right to treat them as vermin, like a rat or Grey Squirrel and dispose of them humanely, or be able to call on the local council/police to deal with the owners. -- Larry Stoter Legally cats are an exception to the rule, (I have six of them). They belong to me and cannot legally be harmed, but are classified as a wild animal and therefore I cannot be held responsible in a court of law for their actions. From my point of view that is just as well, one of my neighbours recently decided to construct a small, shallow goldfish pond - poor goldfish never had a chance, my cats had the lot. Sorrry Larry, but legally you have no recourse against the owners in this country, if you don't like it complain to your Member of Parliament. Earnest Trawler (a newbie to this group, a jobbing gardener, and heavily biased in favour of cats) |
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Earnest Trawler wrote:
snips ...... Sorrry Larry, but legally you have no recourse against the owners in this country, if you don't like it complain to your Member of Parliament. snips ... Precisely my point. Although, despite having no legal recourse, I think that what prevents me acting against cats is essentially social attitudes. For example, I don't think there is actually anything to stop me trapping cats and taking them to a cat rescue centre 200 miles from where I live. -- Larry Stoter |
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Bart Bailey wrote:
snips ..... http://www.havahart.com/nuisance/cats/cat_solutions.htm Bart Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be illegal in the UK? -- Larry Stoter |
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In article , (Larry Stoter) writes: | Bart Bailey wrote: | | Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue | centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be | illegal in the UK? Unless you had strong reasons to believe that they are strays, yes, or at least it would be a tort. It might be regarded as cruelty, which would be a crime. If you are virtually certain they they are strays, I know of nothing that stops you from humanely killing them. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message . co.uk... : Earnest Trawler wrote: : : snips ...... : Sorrry Larry, but legally you have no recourse against the owners in this : country, if you don't like it complain to your Member of Parliament. : : snips ... : : Precisely my point. : : Although, despite having no legal recourse, I think that what prevents : me acting against cats is essentially social attitudes. For example, I : don't think there is actually anything to stop me trapping cats and : taking them to a cat rescue centre 200 miles from where I live. : : -- : Larry Stoter But would you be prepared to make a donation to the rescue centre for the cats' upkeep or the valuable work the centre is doing for stray, abandoned and maltreated cats? These places are usually run by charities. K |
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In article , Nick Maclaren
writes If you are virtually certain they they are strays, I know of nothing that stops you from humanely killing them. and they taste like Rabbit when cooked -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was at the airport, checking in at the gate, when the airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?" I said, "If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?" He smiled and nodded knowingly, "That's why we ask." |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... : In article , Nick Maclaren : writes : : : If you are virtually certain they they are strays, I know of nothing : that stops you from humanely killing them. : : : and they taste like Rabbit when cooked How do you know? K |
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In article , K
writes "Mike" wrote in message ... : In article , Nick Maclaren : writes : : : If you are virtually certain they they are strays, I know of nothing : that stops you from humanely killing them. : : : and they taste like Rabbit when cooked How do you know? K When Holland was occupied during the war, they used to kill the 'Roof Rabbits' for food. How do I know? Henk a member of the IMC, International Maritime Confederation, told us when we were in Brussels for a Conference. He was in Holland during the war and had first hand experience. OK? Mike Who never knowingly tells lies Does he Mabbett? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GREAT TRUTHS ABOUT LIFE, THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE LEARNED: No matter how hard you try, you can't baptise cats. |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:36:37 +0000, (Larry
Stoter) wrote: Bart Bailey wrote: snips ..... http://www.havahart.com/nuisance/cats/cat_solutions.htm Bart Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be illegal in the UK? I wouldn't know what's illegal in the UK, I'm in San Diego g Bart |
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K wrote:
"Larry Stoter" wrote in message . co.uk... : Earnest Trawler wrote: : : snips ...... : Sorrry Larry, but legally you have no recourse against the owners in this : country, if you don't like it complain to your Member of Parliament. : : snips ... : : Precisely my point. : : Although, despite having no legal recourse, I think that what prevents : me acting against cats is essentially social attitudes. For example, I : don't think there is actually anything to stop me trapping cats and : taking them to a cat rescue centre 200 miles from where I live. : : -- : Larry Stoter But would you be prepared to make a donation to the rescue centre for the cats' upkeep or the valuable work the centre is doing for stray, abandoned and maltreated cats? These places are usually run by charities. K Yes - and I'd pay for it to be neutered. Although, I have checked the legal situation and it seems likely that trapping a cat and taking it to a rescue centre would leave me open to action by the 'owner', assuming they actually noticed it was missing. -- Larry Stoter |
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Bart Bailey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:36:37 +0000, (Larry Stoter) wrote: Bart Bailey wrote: snips ..... http://www.havahart.com/nuisance/cats/cat_solutions.htm Bart Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be illegal in the UK? I wouldn't know what's illegal in the UK, I'm in San Diego g Bart It seems that if they had an 'owner', it would be illegal in the UK. -- Larry Stoter |
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"Larry Stoter" Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be illegal in the UK? You are a frustrated little brad if it comes to your garden aren't you? |
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Stoter writes K wrote: But would you be prepared to make a donation to the rescue centre for the cats' upkeep or the valuable work the centre is doing for stray, abandoned and maltreated cats? These places are usually run by charities. K Yes - and I'd pay for it to be neutered. Although, I have checked the legal situation and it seems likely that trapping a cat and taking it to a rescue centre would leave me open to action by the 'owner', assuming they actually noticed it was missing. That's a strange comment. Why do you imagine a cat's owner *wouldn't* notice it was missing? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:57:17 -0000, "julie manns"
wrote: can anyone offer advice on how to keep them off plants. The Cat Protection League have just released their leaflet on this, the press release is available at: http://www.cats.org.uk/php/pr_htm.php?status=T&file=109 -- Pete The Gardener A room without books is like a body without a soul. |
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Kay Easton wrote:
In article , Larry Stoter writes K wrote: But would you be prepared to make a donation to the rescue centre for the cats' upkeep or the valuable work the centre is doing for stray, abandoned and maltreated cats? These places are usually run by charities. K Yes - and I'd pay for it to be neutered. Although, I have checked the legal situation and it seems likely that trapping a cat and taking it to a rescue centre would leave me open to action by the 'owner', assuming they actually noticed it was missing. That's a strange comment. Why do you imagine a cat's owner *wouldn't* notice it was missing? They certainly don't notice that it is wandering around the neighbourhood, digging up gardens, killing birds and small mammals, defaecating where it wants and polluting the area with toxoplasma gondii. My experience, having several relatives who 'own' cats is that they don't start getting really worried until their little darlings have been 'missing' for 3-4 days. -- Larry Stoter |
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Marc wrote:
"Larry Stoter" Thank you. I have considered trapping and relocation to a cat rescue centre a couple of hundred miles from where I live. Would that be illegal in the UK? You are a frustrated little brad if it comes to your garden aren't you? Frustrated, indeed. "A little brad" ...... hmmm, care to translate? -- Larry Stoter |
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In article , Larry
Stoter writes Kay Easton wrote: In article , Larry Stoter writes Although, I have checked the legal situation and it seems likely that trapping a cat and taking it to a rescue centre would leave me open to action by the 'owner', assuming they actually noticed it was missing. That's a strange comment. Why do you imagine a cat's owner *wouldn't* notice it was missing? They certainly don't notice that it is wandering around the neighbourhood, digging up gardens, killing birds and small mammals, defaecating where it wants and polluting the area with toxoplasma gondii. My experience, having several relatives who 'own' cats is that they don't start getting really worried until their little darlings have been 'missing' for 3-4 days. Ah, true - but that's not the same as not noticing it's missing. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message .uk... Marc W wrote: "Gorgeous George" wrote You cannot! Cats will be cats, dogs will be dogs, kids will be kids. Not everybody is in to gardening. I just accept it then from time to time a pet will demolish something in the garden, a football will demolish some flowers. I don't live alone in my neighbourhood and not everybody shares my gardening obsession. Are you one of these weirdos who feels so unloved they need to have five cats or more? No I do not have any cats, I once had a dog, I do have a kid and a garden. I am just not one of 'these weirdos' that think my whole neighbourhood should walk around my garden from ten meters distance, because otherwise they would destroy something. I do not want anybody or animal to walk around my garden at 10 meters distance. However, I would prefer they do not walk, or worse, through my garden uninvited. In the case of dogs and people, there are a number of acceptable means of recourse. Regretably, a small proportion of cat owners feel they are entitled to allow the animals they claim to own to enter neighbours gardens without permission. Even worse, I seem to have no legal or social remedy to prevent or discourage this infringement of my property. There are painless and harmless ways to deal with this problem, all you have to do is to ask politely! I have a solution, but I'll only tell you if you ask nicely and make sure you say 'please'! Alan -- Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk |
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Larry I'm a very keen gardener and have been gardening since I was 11 years old! I also own a cat that I love very much! I am also a volunteer for my local PDSA charity shop! I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! My cat is with me always ( he's at my feet now)! Why do people like you hate cats so much? Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? Kev "Larry Stoter" wrote in message .uk... Kay Easton wrote: In article , Larry Stoter writes K wrote: But would you be prepared to make a donation to the rescue centre for the cats' upkeep or the valuable work the centre is doing for stray, abandoned and maltreated cats? These places are usually run by charities. K Yes - and I'd pay for it to be neutered. Although, I have checked the legal situation and it seems likely that trapping a cat and taking it to a rescue centre would leave me open to action by the 'owner', assuming they actually noticed it was missing. That's a strange comment. Why do you imagine a cat's owner *wouldn't* notice it was missing? They certainly don't notice that it is wandering around the neighbourhood, digging up gardens, killing birds and small mammals, defaecating where it wants and polluting the area with toxoplasma gondii. My experience, having several relatives who 'own' cats is that they don't start getting really worried until their little darlings have been 'missing' for 3-4 days. -- Larry Stoter |
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My neighbours' cats do their business all over my garden where my two
children are trying to grow their flowers and vegetables. My children are horrified when they put their fingers into cat poop. It's not a pleasant experience, it's a health risk, and they don't want to eat anything that the cats have pooped on. I've just filled 2 plastic grocery bags full to the top with cat poop, and my garden is not large. "Little Badger" wrote... Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? |
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In article , Little
Badger writes I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other
people's gardens whilst you are at work? No! See post to George's ramblings! I would notice my cat was missing when I got home from work as he's usually in my house or in my greenhouse! Badger "Mike" wrote in message ... In article , Little Badger writes I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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My cat sleeps on the bottom of my bed all night and is locked in!
My cat has a sand pit in my garden where he goes to the toilet! My cat is tagged and neutered (got him from a rescue centre)! He has a red leather collar with a bell on! When I am at work he spends most of the time either in my warm greenhouse or in my house which he enters through one of my numerous cat flaps and these places is where I usually find him when I come home from work, shopping, washing the car etc! So am I a responsible cat owner George? Maybe you should gather more facts before spouting off? Badger "Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:53:55 +0000, Mike wrote: In article , Little Badger writes I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? Sadly that would be an accurate picture of the majority of irresponsible cat owners, and then again left out all night. THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' This would be an accurate description once again of the irresponsible owner, who are by far the majority. If I were made Herr Chancellor, or should I say when! I would ensure all cats had to be tagged (all pets) and the tagging kept up to date. Must have collars with a bell and also to be neutered, we will always have enough strays to provide kittens for all should anyone wish to adopt a cat. People like smelly five cats would need to be licensed and pay a large premium for having more then one mass murdered in the household. Cats caught poooping on someone elses land should be liable (owners) for fines and cleaning fees. This will force responsible ownership, and many people who do not think about the consequences of their pets would now find they really must, and probably many would say "Oh I wont have a pet then" Bit like the old days of letting your dog crap and wee anywhere it wanted, usually in the kiddies park. These are now long gone, there was a hoohah about forcing people to poop scoop after their dogs, but now in my experience the majority do it without fuss, which is how it should be. Have a pet, fine, but also take full responsibility for it. . ************************************************** ************************** ********* Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ |
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Little Badger wrote:
Larry I'm a very keen gardener and have been gardening since I was 11 years old! I also own a cat that I love very much! I am also a volunteer for my local PDSA charity shop! I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! My cat is with me always ( he's at my feet now)! Why do people like you hate cats so much? Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? I don't hate cats - quite like them, in fact. I do dislike cat 'owners' who can't be bothered to control their animals and who believe their pet has a right to wander around the neighbourhood. My objections to cats in my garden a 1. It is my garden and I haven't given permission for a cat to enter. Why should I, as I don't want it? Unfortunately, because of a peculiarity of UK law, I don't have any legal means of removing a cat owned by a neighbour. If a dog, rat or person uses my garden as a toilet, I have various options open to me to resolve the problem. 2. I delight in having many free animals coming into my garden and actively encourage them. These are true, wild animals - insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, etc. Many local cats attempt to kill them - cats which are not truly wild but are provided with food and shelter. In doing so, their owners are giving these efficient predators a huge competitive advantage against truly free and wild animals. 3. Cats defaecate and urinate in my vegatables, which I find unpleasant and a potential health risk. 4. Cats dig up seeds and seedlings. 5. Cats are a reservoir of toxoplasma gondii - this parasitic worm is known to cause miscarriages in humans. There is also evidence that it can lead to more subtle neurological problems in humans. Certainly, it changes the behaviour of small mammals in such a way as to make them much easier for cats to catch. If it does this to mice, it would not be surprising that it also affected human behaviour. I believe there is a government committee currently examining this issue. What I would like to see is: a) A legal requirement on cat owners to control their animals, as is the case with other domestic animals and pets, such as dogs. This to include fines for those who don't and the ability for neighbours to take civil action against cat owners. b) For me to be able to trap any cat (not just strays) which enters my property and hand it over to an appropriate organisation. The animal should, of course, be legally protected against ill treatment. c) A legal requirement for all dogs and cats to be neutered unless they are owned specifically for breeding purposes. In which case, owners to be licensed to keep intact animals, subject to inspection and fined if their animals are allowed to stray from their property. And thank you to those cat owners who do take proper responsability for their pets. -- Larry Stoter |
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I've been following this thread for a while and I have a question. How do
you expect owners to "control" cats? This is by no means meant to be an argument, but simply a question. My cat is 14 years old but still climbs my trees and catches birds. (which I have no objection, we have loads nesting round our house and garden and it only serves to keep this population down). He goes into other gardens, but we've had no complains, most of them feed him anyway! He attacks any cats that attempts to come into our garden (they learn pretty quickly) and he doesn't cause hassle to anyone. Am I a responsible owner? Sorry, just wondered how to control my cat more efficiently! Charlie. "Larry Stoter" wrote in message . co.uk... Little Badger wrote: Larry I'm a very keen gardener and have been gardening since I was 11 years old! I also own a cat that I love very much! I am also a volunteer for my local PDSA charity shop! I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! My cat is with me always ( he's at my feet now)! Why do people like you hate cats so much? Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? I don't hate cats - quite like them, in fact. I do dislike cat 'owners' who can't be bothered to control their animals and who believe their pet has a right to wander around the neighbourhood. My objections to cats in my garden a 1. It is my garden and I haven't given permission for a cat to enter. Why should I, as I don't want it? Unfortunately, because of a peculiarity of UK law, I don't have any legal means of removing a cat owned by a neighbour. If a dog, rat or person uses my garden as a toilet, I have various options open to me to resolve the problem. 2. I delight in having many free animals coming into my garden and actively encourage them. These are true, wild animals - insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, etc. Many local cats attempt to kill them - cats which are not truly wild but are provided with food and shelter. In doing so, their owners are giving these efficient predators a huge competitive advantage against truly free and wild animals. 3. Cats defaecate and urinate in my vegatables, which I find unpleasant and a potential health risk. 4. Cats dig up seeds and seedlings. 5. Cats are a reservoir of toxoplasma gondii - this parasitic worm is known to cause miscarriages in humans. There is also evidence that it can lead to more subtle neurological problems in humans. Certainly, it changes the behaviour of small mammals in such a way as to make them much easier for cats to catch. If it does this to mice, it would not be surprising that it also affected human behaviour. I believe there is a government committee currently examining this issue. What I would like to see is: a) A legal requirement on cat owners to control their animals, as is the case with other domestic animals and pets, such as dogs. This to include fines for those who don't and the ability for neighbours to take civil action against cat owners. b) For me to be able to trap any cat (not just strays) which enters my property and hand it over to an appropriate organisation. The animal should, of course, be legally protected against ill treatment. c) A legal requirement for all dogs and cats to be neutered unless they are owned specifically for breeding purposes. In which case, owners to be licensed to keep intact animals, subject to inspection and fined if their animals are allowed to stray from their property. And thank you to those cat owners who do take proper responsability for their pets. -- Larry Stoter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 |
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"Larry Stoter" wrote in message . co.uk... Little Badger wrote: Larry I'm a very keen gardener and have been gardening since I was 11 years old! I also own a cat that I love very much! I am also a volunteer for my local PDSA charity shop! I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! My cat is with me always ( he's at my feet now)! Why do people like you hate cats so much? Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? I don't hate cats - quite like them, in fact. I do dislike cat 'owners' who can't be bothered to control their animals and who believe their pet has a right to wander around the neighbourhood. My objections to cats in my garden a 1. It is my garden and I haven't given permission for a cat to enter. Why should I, as I don't want it? Unfortunately, because of a peculiarity of UK law, I don't have any legal means of removing a cat owned by a neighbour. If a dog, rat or person uses my garden as a toilet, I have various options open to me to resolve the problem. 2. I delight in having many free animals coming into my garden and actively encourage them. These are true, wild animals - insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, etc. Many local cats attempt to kill them - cats which are not truly wild but are provided with food and shelter. In doing so, their owners are giving these efficient predators a huge competitive advantage against truly free and wild animals. 3. Cats defaecate and urinate in my vegatables, which I find unpleasant and a potential health risk. 4. Cats dig up seeds and seedlings. 5. Cats are a reservoir of toxoplasma gondii - this parasitic worm is known to cause miscarriages in humans. There is also evidence that it can lead to more subtle neurological problems in humans. Certainly, it changes the behaviour of small mammals in such a way as to make them much easier for cats to catch. If it does this to mice, it would not be surprising that it also affected human behaviour. I believe there is a government committee currently examining this issue. What I would like to see is: a) A legal requirement on cat owners to control their animals, as is the case with other domestic animals and pets, such as dogs. This to include fines for those who don't and the ability for neighbours to take civil action against cat owners. b) For me to be able to trap any cat (not just strays) which enters my property and hand it over to an appropriate organisation. The animal should, of course, be legally protected against ill treatment. c) A legal requirement for all dogs and cats to be neutered unless they are owned specifically for breeding purposes. In which case, owners to be licensed to keep intact animals, subject to inspection and fined if their animals are allowed to stray from their property. And thank you to those cat owners who do take proper responsability for their pets. -- Larry Stoter How do you suggest people train their cats to stay out of your garden? I don't have a cat, and I don't like them leaving a mess in my garden but I just accept them as one of those fairly minor inconveniences that I can't do anything about. As long as it's legal to own cats, and to allow them outside, then there's not a whole lot you can do about it. Best not to get too het up about things you can't change. |
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"Gorgeous George" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:23:26 -0000, "Little Badger" wrote: My cat sleeps on the bottom of my bed all night and is locked in! My cat has a sand pit in my garden where he goes to the toilet! My cat is tagged and neutered (got him from a rescue centre)! He has a red leather collar with a bell on! Going good so far. When I am at work he spends most of the time either in my warm greenhouse or in my house which he enters through one of my numerous cat flaps and these places is where I usually find him when I come home from work, shopping, washing the car etc! So he can come and go at will, destroy wildlife at will and shit on peoples gardens at will. Are you really so naive as to believe your cat does none of the abive when you are not there? (abive? Is that a spelling mistake?) Um! Already said he has a sand pit to go to the toilet in! He goes first thing in the morning and I have not seen him do it again unless he is sick! If he is sick he goes in his sand pit again! Are you reading my post or are you purposely skipping certain parts of it? So am I a responsible cat owner George? Far better then most. Maybe you should gather more facts before spouting off? Maybe you should try reading what you respond to first. Tell me which part, tell us all which part of my post is incorrect. (OK!) I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? (Too busy either sleeping or keeping cats out of his own garden actually!) Sadly that would be an accurate picture of the majority of irresponsible cat owners, and then again left out all night. (See above which makes you incorrect again!) THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' (If I did not give a toss where he goes to the toilet I wouldn't have made him a sand pit!) All of the above is incorrect! Happy now that I have pointed it out to you? Going to do some gardening now! You want to get out more George! Badger Is that a spelling mistake? "Gorgeous George" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:53:55 +0000, Mike wrote: In article , Little Badger writes I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! I take it that your cat is out and about and more than likely in other people's gardens whilst you are at work? Sadly that would be an accurate picture of the majority of irresponsible cat owners, and then again left out all night. THAT is why people hate cats. Those who claim to 'own' them don't give a toss where they crap as long as it is not 'in their back yard' This would be an accurate description once again of the irresponsible owner, who are by far the majority. If I were made Herr Chancellor, or should I say when! I would ensure all cats had to be tagged (all pets) and the tagging kept up to date. Must have collars with a bell and also to be neutered, we will always have enough strays to provide kittens for all should anyone wish to adopt a cat. People like smelly five cats would need to be licensed and pay a large premium for having more then one mass murdered in the household. Cats caught poooping on someone elses land should be liable (owners) for fines and cleaning fees. This will force responsible ownership, and many people who do not think about the consequences of their pets would now find they really must, and probably many would say "Oh I wont have a pet then" Bit like the old days of letting your dog crap and wee anywhere it wanted, usually in the kiddies park. These are now long gone, there was a hoohah about forcing people to poop scoop after their dogs, but now in my experience the majority do it without fuss, which is how it should be. Have a pet, fine, but also take full responsibility for it. . . ************************************************** ************************** ********* Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. - Sir Winston Churchill The Eagle Has Landed. /T /I / |/ | .-~/ T\ Y I |/ / _ /T | \I | I Y.-~/ I l /I T\ | | l | T / T\ | \ Y l /T | \I l \ ` l Y __ | \l \l \I l __l l \ ` _. | \ ~-l `\ `\ \ \\ ~\ \ `. .-~ | \ ~-. "-. ` \ ^._ ^. "-. / \ | .--~-._ ~- ` _ ~-_.-"-." ._ /._ ." ./ --. ~-. ._ ~-" "\\ 7 7 ] ^.___~"--._ ~-{ .-~ . `\ Y . / | __ ~"-. ~ /_/ \ \I Y : | ^-.__ ~(_/ \ ._: | l______ ^--.,___.-~" /_/ ! `-.~"--l_ / ~"-. (_/ . ~( /' "~"--,Y -=b-. _) (_/ . \ : / l c"~o \ \ / `. . .^ \_.-~"~--. ) (_/ . ` / / ! )/ / / _. '. .': / ' ~(_/ . / _ ` .-_ /_/ . ' .-~" `. / \ \ ,z=. ~( / ' : | K "-.~-.______// "-,. l I/ \_ __{---._(==. //( \ ~"~" // /' /\ \ \ ,v=. (( .^. / /\ " }__ //===- ` Roy!/ASC / / ' ' "-.,__ {---(==- .^ ' : T ~" ll / . . . : | :! \\ (_/ / | | j-" ~^ |
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Larry
How would you propose to 'Trap' a cat in your garden without hurting it or distressing it in any way? Badger "Larry Stoter" wrote in message . co.uk... Little Badger wrote: Larry I'm a very keen gardener and have been gardening since I was 11 years old! I also own a cat that I love very much! I am also a volunteer for my local PDSA charity shop! I would notice that my cat was missing within hours of coming home from work! My cat is with me always ( he's at my feet now)! Why do people like you hate cats so much? Can't you put up with another animal (as free as a cat) entering your domain or is all you and yourself what you think about all the time? I don't hate cats - quite like them, in fact. I do dislike cat 'owners' who can't be bothered to control their animals and who believe their pet has a right to wander around the neighbourhood. My objections to cats in my garden a 1. It is my garden and I haven't given permission for a cat to enter. Why should I, as I don't want it? Unfortunately, because of a peculiarity of UK law, I don't have any legal means of removing a cat owned by a neighbour. If a dog, rat or person uses my garden as a toilet, I have various options open to me to resolve the problem. 2. I delight in having many free animals coming into my garden and actively encourage them. These are true, wild animals - insects, amphibians, birds, small mammals, etc. Many local cats attempt to kill them - cats which are not truly wild but are provided with food and shelter. In doing so, their owners are giving these efficient predators a huge competitive advantage against truly free and wild animals. 3. Cats defaecate and urinate in my vegatables, which I find unpleasant and a potential health risk. 4. Cats dig up seeds and seedlings. 5. Cats are a reservoir of toxoplasma gondii - this parasitic worm is known to cause miscarriages in humans. There is also evidence that it can lead to more subtle neurological problems in humans. Certainly, it changes the behaviour of small mammals in such a way as to make them much easier for cats to catch. If it does this to mice, it would not be surprising that it also affected human behaviour. I believe there is a government committee currently examining this issue. What I would like to see is: a) A legal requirement on cat owners to control their animals, as is the case with other domestic animals and pets, such as dogs. This to include fines for those who don't and the ability for neighbours to take civil action against cat owners. b) For me to be able to trap any cat (not just strays) which enters my property and hand it over to an appropriate organisation. The animal should, of course, be legally protected against ill treatment. c) A legal requirement for all dogs and cats to be neutered unless they are owned specifically for breeding purposes. In which case, owners to be licensed to keep intact animals, subject to inspection and fined if their animals are allowed to stray from their property. And thank you to those cat owners who do take proper responsability for their pets. -- Larry Stoter |
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