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Advise on buying trees please
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I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). TIA Paul |
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Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Not what you are asking i know, bur when you come to carve it up: Design the shape of the lawn and plant the bits that are left, nit designt the shape of the beds. Reason? The only shape you will see when all is planted is the open space of the lawn the bed shapes re irrelevant. pk |
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writes Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). Buy bare rooted trees now and plant in the next few weeks. Get a catalogue from a specialist fruit supplier rather than relying on your garden centre. I use Scotts of Merriott, who have several hundred varieties of apple each with a description of taste and site preferences. First thing with apples is that they don't pollinate themselves, so you need to make sure there are at least two flowering at each period. The catalogue listing/plant label with give you the flowering period. The earliest apples are ready for picking in August but tend to last for only a few weeks. Other varieties are ready later, right through to March, and the later ones tend to have a longer period when they're good for eating. You need to think about what proportion of cookers and eaters you want, and what flavours you like - some gardens and agricultural places hold 'apple days' where you can taste different varieties. Growing your own is a great opportunity for growing varieties that you can't get in the shops with tastes ranging from crisp and juicy through to highly spiced. I can't advice on varieties, as I'm inland, cold and wet, so quite different from you. Avoid Cox - it's difficult to grow well in a garden. Someone else will tell you about rootstocks - all apples are grafted on to a rootstock, and the type of rootstock determines how big the tree grows. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
I would also suggest that you pick one that is resistant to rust and blight,
especially if there are any cedar trees within 2 km up wind of your yard. When you say "standard trees", do you mean the regular apples, or do you mean trees that grow big rather than those bred to stay small? The tall ones can be a problem as they get bigger (and we get older), when it is time to prune or spray them. I would find out what types are available to you, and then eat some apples from those trees until I have decided which ones I enjoyed the most. I like to can apples in chunks and applesauce. I also like to eat them fresh. Some apples are not for cooking, others are only for cooking, and a lot are OK either way. I would suggest you not rush into buying a tree until you are sure of what is best for you and the family. Dwayne "Paul" wrote in message ... Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). TIA Paul |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Paul contains these words: Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although a few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants whose roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions found at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what does well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library if they stock books on seaside gardening. Janet. Yes, that's more like the advice I would have given. -- ned http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk last update 30.09.2005 |
In a seaside location I would think towards planting a break on the side
exposed to the prevailing wind-will escallonia grow fast enough? As for apples some are self pollinating -we used to grow James Grieve which pollinated itself and probably our Bramley and Laxtons Superb in the neighbour's garden. James Grieve does not keep well but will last into November if kept cool in a fridge. Regards David T I have an ancient book-Apples of England- given to me by an old work colleague which gives information on self pollinators etc. "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Paul contains these words: Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although a few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants whose roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions found at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what does well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library if they stock books on seaside gardening. Janet. |
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from Janet Baraclough contains these words: I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although a few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants whose roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions found at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what does well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library if they stock books on seaside gardening. There were some apple trees in the garden of this house, on the Isle of Lewis, which has pretty clement conditions temperature-wise, and plenty of wind. http://www.users.zetnet/hi-fi/temp/user/09.jpg As you will see, it's well above the shore, and well back from it, and in any case, the shore is on the edge of a sea-loch. There *WERE* apples - small and scabby, and the trees were pretty stunted too. (I nearly bought that house - with 7 acres of (feudal) croft, for £650... -- Rusty |
"Paul" wrote in message ... Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). TIA Paul Tamarisk likes the seaside: it also likes sandy soils. It is more of a shrub than a tree, but it gets woody stems and grows to, maybe 10 feet? It flowers and has feathery leaves, a pleasant addition to a seaside garden, except perhaps on clay. Pittosporum Tenufolium is an evergreen that likes a maritime climate. Andy |
"Paul" wrote I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple, a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged. You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an expert. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Bob Hobden wrote:
[...to Paul, re seaside trees...] You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an expert. Or, judging from what I see in the bookshops, get two good books and become so much of an expert that you write a third. -- Mike. |
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from "Andy" contains these words: Tamarisk likes the seaside: it also likes sandy soils. It is more of a shrub than a tree, but it gets woody stems and grows to, maybe 10 feet? It flowers and has feathery leaves, a pleasant addition to a seaside garden, except perhaps on clay. Pittosporum Tenufolium is an evergreen that likes a maritime climate. Corsican pine is salt-tolerant, too. -- Rusty |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:49:01 +0000 (UTC), "p.k."
wrote: Paul wrote: Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Not what you are asking i know, bur when you come to carve it up: Design the shape of the lawn and plant the bits that are left, nit designt the shape of the beds. Reason? The only shape you will see when all is planted is the open space of the lawn the bed shapes re irrelevant. pk So far I have collected a number of plants in pots, shrubs, conifers heathers etc. These I have been placing at various points on the lawn trying to get a feel what the effect might be. Part of the objective is to get some nice views from the large lounge patio doors, screening garage, shed etc. Paul |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:14:50 +0100, Kay
wrote: In article , Paul writes Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). Buy bare rooted trees now and plant in the next few weeks. Get a catalogue from a specialist fruit supplier rather than relying on your garden centre. I use Scotts of Merriott, who have several hundred varieties of apple each with a description of taste and site preferences. First thing with apples is that they don't pollinate themselves, so you need to make sure there are at least two flowering at each period. The catalogue listing/plant label with give you the flowering period. The earliest apples are ready for picking in August but tend to last for only a few weeks. Other varieties are ready later, right through to March, and the later ones tend to have a longer period when they're good for eating. You need to think about what proportion of cookers and eaters you want, and what flavours you like - some gardens and agricultural places hold 'apple days' where you can taste different varieties. Growing your own is a great opportunity for growing varieties that you can't get in the shops with tastes ranging from crisp and juicy through to highly spiced. I can't advice on varieties, as I'm inland, cold and wet, so quite different from you. Avoid Cox - it's difficult to grow well in a garden. Someone else will tell you about rootstocks - all apples are grafted on to a rootstock, and the type of rootstock determines how big the tree grows. Thanks for the advise, another function of the two (or more) trees will be to provide some screening from the bedroom windows of the neighbours across the road who will have a partial view into our garden. Paul |
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:30:14 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Paul" wrote I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple, a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged. You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an expert. Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments on wind have struck home. Thanks Paul |
"Paul" wrote after Bob replied to him... I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple, a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged. You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an expert. Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments on wind have struck home. Any strong wind from the sea will have salt in it, I don't mean wave splash. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:23:55 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Paul" wrote after Bob replied to him... I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple, a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged. You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an expert. Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments on wind have struck home. Any strong wind from the sea will have salt in it, I don't mean wave splash. You are probably right, however in our last house, also by the seaside, we inherited a monster apple tree with a trunk diameter of over a foot and span of around 40 feet. And how did Dwayne know that I have a Cedar 100M away. Perhaps I'll plant some Pines instead :-( Paul |
Paul wrote:
You are probably right, however in our last house, also by the seaside, we inherited a monster apple tree with a trunk diameter of over a foot and span of around 40 feet. And how did Dwayne know that I have a Cedar 100M away. Paul, I think it may be worth checking with Dwayne where he got his info from. He sounded as though he was possibly in the States rather than the UK, and that may have relevance to his comments. Personally, I've never heard about not having apple trees within 2km of a cedar, but freely admit I've not read everything on the subject ;) I'm happily growing 4 apples, 1 pear and 1 plum in a windy garden in N.Wales about 2m (as the crow flies) from the River Dee. Admittedly mine are (hopefully!) on dwarfing rootstocks, and at only 3 yrs old, are mostly less than 7 foot tall presently. Regards, Sarah |
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from "Bob Hobden" contains these words: Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments on wind have struck home. Any strong wind from the sea will have salt in it, I don't mean wave splash. If you look at a map of the Isle of Lewis, I was a bit south of Balallan some years ago - about halfway between there and Clisham (small mountain) and could taste the salt spray. There was a fine storm raging, but that stretch of road was around 20 miles from the West Side, from where the weather came. -- Rusty |
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from Sarah Dale contains these words: Personally, I've never heard about not having apple trees within 2km of a cedar, but freely admit I've not read everything on the subject ;) 2km? -- Rusty |
"Paul" wrote in message ... Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). As others have said, it depend how windy, and how close to the sea. I live on the Suffolk coast, probably less than a quarter of a mile from the beach. [AutoRoute says 400 yards :-)] The car gets covered with salt drift if the wind is onshore, as do the house windows. However this doesn't seem to affect the plants much. The upside of a seaside location in the reduction in frosts. I have several fruit trees in the garden; Victoria plum Czar plum Grengage Bramley apple Queen Cox apple (which strugggles but does produce amazingly flavoured fruit in good years). We also have a crab apple, and the whole area around us is full of mature trees. So I would guess that uless you are less than 100 yards from the beach and with no natural protection from onshore winds then you should be O.K. I would suggest that it is far more important to know how far North you are, and on which coast. On the subject of apples, I would suggest a Bramley for the cooker, and then one or two eaters, perhaps an early and a late variety. I have a fondness for Coxes, although they are harder to grow than many. When you do get a good crop they last well and taste wonderful. If sound and kept in a fridge in plastic bags (abot 4 to the bag) they can last through to the new year. Crab appples, and wild(ish) plum stocks such as Bullace and Damson are sturdy and can form very effective wind (and view) breaks. As far as I know they used to be used by commercial growers to form a windbreak for the main varieties. They would protect your garden from wind and salt. Be aware that if you plant apple trees for a privacy barrier that they will only be effective in summer. Now is a good time to plant. I would guess standard or semi-dwarfing root stock if you want a screen from view. Space them about a large hammock length apart (future planning). HTH Dave R |
We now live in Devon about 2km from the sea as the crow flies.
On some stormy nights salt spume-rather like soap suds is blown into our lane. A bay tree directly exposed is badly damaged by salt, but one 30 metres away, protected by shrubs and a tree is not damaged. Protected apples and conifers are not damaged, but a row of unprotected Leylandi on the exposed side is dying. There was a lot of burn off due to salt damage in the area during a stormy period about 18 months ago but sheltered plants seemed to survive-this is why I suggested establishing wind breaks and then planting apple trees. Cordon apples are quite low and would be protected by a 6 ft hedge. Note that a hedge will give more effective protection than a wall as it physically filters salt from the wind and also cuts out downstream eddying. We visited South Uist in 1970 and the only bush we saw was about 3ft high and blown out horizontally around 10 ft. so I do think the Hebridean environment is particularly severe compared to other seaside areas in the UK. Regards David T "David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Hi I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring. Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this autumn, (my wife likes apples). Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s). As others have said, it depend how windy, and how close to the sea. I live on the Suffolk coast, probably less than a quarter of a mile from the beach. [AutoRoute says 400 yards :-)] The car gets covered with salt drift if the wind is onshore, as do the house windows. However this doesn't seem to affect the plants much. The upside of a seaside location in the reduction in frosts. I have several fruit trees in the garden; Victoria plum Czar plum Grengage Bramley apple Queen Cox apple (which strugggles but does produce amazingly flavoured fruit in good years). We also have a crab apple, and the whole area around us is full of mature trees. So I would guess that uless you are less than 100 yards from the beach and with no natural protection from onshore winds then you should be O.K. I would suggest that it is far more important to know how far North you are, and on which coast. On the subject of apples, I would suggest a Bramley for the cooker, and then one or two eaters, perhaps an early and a late variety. I have a fondness for Coxes, although they are harder to grow than many. When you do get a good crop they last well and taste wonderful. If sound and kept in a fridge in plastic bags (abot 4 to the bag) they can last through to the new year. Crab appples, and wild(ish) plum stocks such as Bullace and Damson are sturdy and can form very effective wind (and view) breaks. As far as I know they used to be used by commercial growers to form a windbreak for the main varieties. They would protect your garden from wind and salt. Be aware that if you plant apple trees for a privacy barrier that they will only be effective in summer. Now is a good time to plant. I would guess standard or semi-dwarfing root stock if you want a screen from view. Space them about a large hammock length apart (future planning). HTH Dave R |
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from "David W.E. Roberts" contains these words: I would suggest that it is far more important to know how far North you are, and on which coast. ISTR South West. On the subject of apples, I would suggest a Bramley for the cooker, and then one or two eaters, perhaps an early and a late variety. I have a fondness for Coxes, although they are harder to grow than many. When you do get a good crop they last well and taste wonderful. If sound and kept in a fridge in plastic bags (abot 4 to the bag) they can last through to the new year. We used to keep Cox's orange pippins until well into spring, kept on wooden trays in an air-raid shelter when I was a teenager. -- Rusty |
"david taylor" wrote in message ... We now live in Devon about 2km from the sea as the crow flies. On some stormy nights salt spume-rather like soap suds is blown into our lane. A bay tree directly exposed is badly damaged by salt, but one 30 metres away, protected by shrubs and a tree is not damaged. Protected apples and conifers are not damaged, but a row of unprotected Leylandi on the exposed side is dying. There was a lot of burn off due to salt damage in the area during a stormy period about 18 months ago but sheltered plants seemed to survive-this is why I suggested establishing wind breaks and then planting apple trees. Cordon apples are quite low and would be protected by a 6 ft hedge. Note that a hedge will give more effective protection than a wall as it physically filters salt from the wind and also cuts out downstream eddying. We visited South Uist in 1970 and the only bush we saw was about 3ft high and blown out horizontally around 10 ft. so I do think the Hebridean environment is particularly severe compared to other seaside areas in the UK. Regards David T "David W.E. Roberts" wrote in message I live about 2 miles inland ( I'm still Imperial :-) ), and very occasionally I get salt on the windows after a big blow, you can see it. As for cedar trees and apple trees, they cohabit very successfully in my street, so I can't see this as a problem here. Andy. |
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from "david taylor" contains these words: We visited South Uist in 1970 and the only bush we saw was about 3ft high and blown out horizontally around 10 ft. so I do think the Hebridean environment is particularly severe compared to other seaside areas in the On average they reckon to get two force 12 or higher winds per year. It was during one of these that I experienced salt on my lips at 20 miles from the windward coast... -- Rusty |
And how did Dwayne know that I have a Cedar 100M away. Paul, I think it may be worth checking with Dwayne where he got his info from. He sounded as though he was possibly in the States rather than the UK, and that may have relevance to his comments. You are right. I am from the US, and I speak from experience. I planted 4 apple trees about 30 meters South and East of two cedar trees. The prevailing winds were from the West/North West. Within 2 weeks they started losing their leaves from cedar blight. After I had the cedars removed, I had no more problems with it. We moved to another state and I replanted 4 more apple trees that were advertised as resistant to cedar problems, and In 4 years I havent had any problems. Here my neighbors have an abundance of cedar trees. All my trees are dwarf or semi dwarf because of wind problems here, and the size of my yard is smaller. I am also getting too old to be pruning large trees. Will pears grow there? How about peaches and apricots? We get late frosts here that have wiped out most of my fruit crops for the last 2 or 3 years, but we get a good year every 4 to 6 years and when we do, I will have more apples, peaches, pears, and plums than I can eat in the next 4 years (I can a lot of fruit). Dwayne Personally, I've never heard about not having apple trees within 2km of a cedar, but freely admit I've not read everything on the subject ;) I'm happily growing 4 apples, 1 pear and 1 plum in a windy garden in N.Wales about 2m (as the crow flies) from the River Dee. Admittedly mine are (hopefully!) on dwarfing rootstocks, and at only 3 yrs old, are mostly less than 7 foot tall presently. Regards, Sarah |
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:09:11 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: This garden is in a windy seaside location, Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, LOL Janet. My assumption was made on the observation that as I have been at this location for three months, and the winds have been strong enough to blow over my plant pots (18inch dia), I can't taste any salt in the wind, my garage/shed/car windows don't show any evidence of salt film. We are sheltered from the direct sea winds. However should I drive a few hundred yards arond the corner towards the sea, then yes, the car windows are spotted with salt . Paul |
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Rusty Hinge wrote: The message from "david taylor" contains these words: We visited South Uist in 1970 and the only bush we saw was about 3ft high and blown out horizontally around 10 ft. so I do think the Hebridean environment is particularly severe compared to other seaside areas in the On average they reckon to get two force 12 or higher winds per year. It was during one of these that I experienced salt on my lips at 20 miles from the windward coast... That's impressive. The best I have done is tasted salt 200+ feet up in North Cornwall - but that was only a force 10. As the Climate FAQ says, the wind cline is roughly west-north-west to east-south-east (though, actually, the Western Isles get more than Ireland), so David Taylor's deduction is confirmed by the meteorologists. It's when you get hit in the face by a wet fish that you know its REALLY blowing :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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from Paul contains these words: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:09:11 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: This garden is in a windy seaside location, Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, LOL Janet. My assumption was made on the observation that as I have been at this location for three months, and the winds have been strong enough to blow over my plant pots (18inch dia), I can't taste any salt in the wind, my garage/shed/car windows don't show any evidence of salt film. We are sheltered from the direct sea winds. Three months? choke! Those of us who have lived by the sea may suggest that you pause for a couple more years before you think of assessing the liklihood of any maritime influence. It might even be a decade before a particular set of conditions coincides, and half the Channel/Bristol Channel pays you a flying visit... /choke! However should I drive a few hundred yards arond the corner towards the sea, then yes, the car windows are spotted with salt . What is this 'drive' activity, Earth creature? -- Rusty |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
[...] Whirlwinds can be quite impressive: [...good history snipped...] Telly the other week actually said Britain was the tornado capital of the world (cue patriotic music). That must have been in purely numerical terms, of course: I'm not sure that most cute little Brit willy-willies would even be counted on the NA Prairies. -- Mike. |
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:43:38 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:09:11 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: This garden is in a windy seaside location, Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, LOL Janet. My assumption was made on the observation that as I have been at this location for three months, and the winds have been strong enough to blow over my plant pots (18inch dia), I can't taste any salt in the wind, my garage/shed/car windows don't show any evidence of salt film. We are sheltered from the direct sea winds. Three months? choke! Those of us who have lived by the sea may suggest that you pause for a couple more years before you think of assessing the liklihood of any maritime influence. Err, I have lived close to the sea for the past 16 years. My first location was 200 yards from a clifftop, as the garden was sheltered by the house and a number of large trees I had no "seaside" related problems, this was the house with the 40ft apple tree previously mentioned. Everything grew very well. I then moved to another seaside location, about 400 yards from the sea, my the rear garden being totally exposed to the prevaling winds. Nothing would grow in this garden, any shrubs I planted would refuse to grow or shrivel up and die. My potted palms went into reverse and started to whither away. The two trees the builders planted remained spindly sticks with just a few leaves to keep alive. I gave up on this garden. Then I moved to my current location, as I just said this home is sheltered from the direct sea winds and appears to have an environment more like my first seaside home. My palms are now thriving, they don't seem to mind the winds here. As you say 3 months maybe too soon to tell, but all my plants are thriving. The point I am trying to make is, there are such things as microclimates, can you generalise on a seaside location as being a salt laden windy difficult gardening environment?. It might even be a decade before a particular set of conditions coincides, and half the Channel/Bristol Channel pays you a flying visit... /choke! My mother lives 4 miles away, she has been there for 53 years, I have returned to my home enviroment, I think I have a good idea of what the local climate might be like. However should I drive a few hundred yards arond the corner towards the sea, then yes, the car windows are spotted with salt . What is this 'drive' activity, Earth creature? Sorry I don't understand this coment, I normally walk 1.5miles into town, but to the next town I drive. Paul |
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:47:47 +0100, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:43:38 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:09:11 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: This garden is in a windy seaside location, Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, LOL Janet. My assumption was made on the observation that as I have been at this location for three months, and the winds have been strong enough to blow over my plant pots (18inch dia), I can't taste any salt in the wind, my garage/shed/car windows don't show any evidence of salt film. We are sheltered from the direct sea winds. Three months? choke! Those of us who have lived by the sea may suggest that you pause for a couple more years before you think of assessing the liklihood of any maritime influence. Err, I have lived close to the sea for the past 16 years. My first location was 200 yards from a clifftop, as the garden was sheltered by the house and a number of large trees I had no "seaside" related problems, this was the house with the 40ft apple tree previously mentioned. Everything grew very well. I then moved to another seaside location, about 400 yards from the sea, my the rear garden being totally exposed to the prevaling winds. Nothing would grow in this garden, any shrubs I planted would refuse to grow or shrivel up and die. My potted palms went into reverse and started to whither away. The two trees the builders planted remained spindly sticks with just a few leaves to keep alive. I gave up on this garden. Then I moved to my current location, as I just said this home is sheltered from the direct sea winds and appears to have an environment more like my first seaside home. My palms are now thriving, they don't seem to mind the winds here. As you say 3 months maybe too soon to tell, but all my plants are thriving. The point I am trying to make is, there are such things as microclimates, can you generalise on a seaside location as being a salt laden windy difficult gardening environment?. It might even be a decade before a particular set of conditions coincides, and half the Channel/Bristol Channel pays you a flying visit... /choke! My mother lives 4 miles away, she has been there for 53 years, I have returned to my home enviroment, I think I have a good idea of what the local climate might be like. However should I drive a few hundred yards arond the corner towards the sea, then yes, the car windows are spotted with salt . What is this 'drive' activity, Earth creature? Sorry I don't understand this coment, I normally walk 1.5miles into town, but to the next town I drive. Paul Sorry to tail end my own posting, regarding my assumption being free of any salt problems. The houses half a mile away situated on the seafront are all blighted with rusted Sky dishes, the local houses do not appear to suffer this problem. Paul |
The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: [...] Whirlwinds can be quite impressive: [...good history snipped...] Telly the other week actually said Britain was the tornado capital of the world (cue patriotic music). That must have been in purely numerical terms, of course: I'm not sure that most cute little Brit willy-willies would even be counted on the NA Prairies. And East Angular is the tornado capital of the Brutish Aisles. I've seen three in the last few years. Last year an impressive funnel snaked downwards from some angr-looking clouds, but it didn't seem to reach the ground. Another swept relatively harmlessly along the Tas valley, and I saw another in a similar place. A few years ago, one hit Long Stratton,and did a great deal of damage down one side of the A140, stripping roofs and hurling loose items (Flossie, Rosie and Shaz) around. Wally wondered what the noise was and looked out of his café window - to see his Mercedes trundling past - on its roof. It had been parked behind the building... -- Rusty |
The message
from Paul contains these words: Sorry to tail end my own posting, regarding my assumption being free of any salt problems. The houses half a mile away situated on the seafront are all blighted with rusted Sky dishes, the local houses do not appear to suffer this problem. Evidently they planted the wrong seeds. -- Rusty |
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from Paul contains these words: Sorry to tail end my own posting, regarding my assumption being free of any salt problems. The houses half a mile away situated on the seafront are all blighted with rusted Sky dishes, the local houses do not appear to suffer this problem. Evidently they planted the wrong seeds. You mean, because all they got was a Sky dish? |
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