| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
It's snowing!!
It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree
protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
It's snowing!!
"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Brilliant sunshine, clear skies and no sign of snow here on the Isle of Wight :-)) |
It's snowing!!
"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Brilliant sunshine, clear skies and no sign of snow here -Baidon West Yorkshire Are you sure it's snow ? Do you folk in Devon know what it looks like? Perhaps it's volcanic ash fall out |
It's snowing!!
"Rupert" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Brilliant sunshine, clear skies and no sign of snow here -Baidon West Yorkshire Are you sure it's snow ? Do you folk in Devon know what it looks like? Perhaps it's volcanic ash fall out Heavy frost more like. |
It's snowing!!
On 25/11/05 10:24, in article , "Rupert"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- snip Are you sure it's snow ? Do you folk in Devon know what it looks like? Perhaps it's volcanic ash fall out It's called folk memory........ ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
It's snowing!!
The message
from "Mike" contains these words: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! Brilliant sunshine, clear skies and no sign of snow here on the Isle of Wight :-)) Flurries of snow in Norfolk, and it *IS* windy. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
It's snowing!!
I'd like some of that snow too . We have mixed reports here some
saying it will snow , some saying it won't (reading , berkshire). I know my kids would love it , my 9 month old boy has never seen the stuff by the by does anyone know how hardy oestopernums ( not sure of spelling) are as mine have wilted heavily with the frost. Also how hardy are Fatsia japonica's ? Cheers Colin |
It's snowing!!
On 25/11/05 12:08, in article
, "Gardening_Convert" wrote: I'd like some of that snow too . We have mixed reports here some saying it will snow , some saying it won't (reading , berkshire). I know my kids would love it , my 9 month old boy has never seen the stuff by the by does anyone know how hardy oestopernums ( not sure of spelling) are as mine have wilted heavily with the frost. snip Osteospermums are half-hardy. They won't survive a heavy frost and it's wisest to bring them indoors for the winter and keep them in a frost-free environment. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Snowing here too!
On 25/11/05 14:06, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote: Sacha wrote: The lady who helps us in the house drove over from Torquay this morning (Cockington way) and said, in a rather superior way, that the snow is *much* worse over there. ;-) She knows I love the snow and likes to tease me if they get more of it than we do! Well, I don't know what its like down in Cockinton (its a bit of a frost pocket there) but its fine here - snow on the roofs and a bit tucked in shady places. And speaking of frost pockets, that village I used to live in was totally white with frost the other day, apparently. That's a frost pocket, if you like! The sun is out now and it really is quite pleasant. The 'stat' says 6C which in one way is cold, but for an arctic blast its quite erm... balmy :| I see they've had it bad on the moors - but that's what they're there for - to keep the worst weather away from S. Devon :) The A38 seems to be our 'weather barrier' but as I look out of the window, there are heavy clouds coming from the south west, adding themselves to those we have over us already. My stepdaughter rang from Plymouth earlier to say she couldn't see more than two feet out of her office window! We've had some sun but it's all gone now and the temp is dropping like a stone. One of the people from Monro's rang us to say he's been stuck on Gossmoor for more than 3 hours. Even Ray is wearing his "Everybody Loves Raymond" baseball cap today! Any excuse - duh I dunno ;) Yeah, but it's true. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Snowing here too!
Dave Poole wrote: snow I think it's wonderful You big kid. Wait till it falls ... horizontally :o) |
It's snowing!!
Gardening_Convert wrote: Also how hardy are Fatsia japonica's ? Very. Mine is snowed under every year. I think it's the best time of the year for them as they look wonderful covered of snow. They might not think the same tho ... I love ivy in the snow, rosemary, my bench and my barrow full of the white stuff. Can't wait to go onto the Rochdale hills this week end if we're as lucky as you. |
It's snowing!!
Sacha wrote:
It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! I thought it was here in Oxford but I think it was paper ash raining down from a bonfire. Richard. -- We trade our health in search of wealth, We scrimp and toil and save; We trade our wealth in search of health, But only find the grave. |
It's snowing!!
quote..by the by does anyone know how hardy oestopernums ( not sure of
spelling) are as mine have wilted heavily with the frost. Depends on the variety. I had one in Lincolnshire for years, not sure which as it came as a cutting from my father, took everything the weather could thow at it including being frozen for days at a time, best to just leave it and see. Plenty in full flower here at the moment. Mike |
Snowing here too!
In far west Cornwall, it hovered around 4C most of last night and
through today, with a strong to gale force NNW wind and passing hail showers. But at about 4pm the wind dropped sharply, veered easterly for about half an hour and the temperature plummeted. Then it started to snow. At 6pm the temperature was a whisker above freezing, the wind had gone back to the north and snow was lying about half an inch deep, although it now seems to be melting in places. I see the temperature has actually risen a degree in the last half hour. We'd managed to avoid the frosts earlier in the week, but not for much longer I fear. I hope my fleece 'wigwams' over my proteas do the biz, having survived the gales of last night! -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
It's snowing!!
Richard Brooks wrote:
Sacha wrote: It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! I thought it was here in Oxford but I think it was paper ash raining down from a bonfire. Richard. I must say it makes me smile, on the TV they have shown this "terrible" snow, schools closed traffic stopped. You can still see grass tufts through the snow! How anyone from Eastern countries must smile, a bit of snow and everything stops here. Ill preparation and bad driving me thinks. -- Please do not reply to this Email address All Emails are deleted upon receipt. |
It's snowing!!
and bad driving me thinks.
no matter how good a driver you are, if the car in front is blocking the road and has had to stop, so have you :-(( A few years back I had a Subaru Legacy Estate, 4 wheel drive, climb up a lamp post, BUT, because of other non 4 wheel drives blocking the road, I might just as well as had a C5 :-(( Come to think of it I would have been better :-)) I could have lifted it up and walked round the stalled cars :-)) Mike |
It's snowing!!
On 25/11/05 21:51, in article ,
"Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message from Broadback contains these words: I must say it makes me smile, on the TV they have shown this "terrible" snow, schools closed traffic stopped. You can still see grass tufts through the snow! How anyone from Eastern countries must smile, a bit of snow and everything stops here. Ill preparation and bad driving me thinks. Watching the TV news footage of Cornish roads immobilised, I have to admit the same thought crossed my mind. The road surface all around the long line of vehicles was black, and so clear I could see the line markings. From a Scottish perspective it seemed an extraordinarily minor depth of snow to warrant leaving 200 children stranded at school overnight. We saw the same thing and were amazed at the complete meltdown - unhappy choice of phrase, perhaps. But there are a couple of things to consider, I suppose. While the roads *looked* clear on the TV news, it had undoubtedly been snowing quite a lot earlier and I suspect the hold ups were due to traffic accidents which hadn't been cleared quickly. And of course, people down here aren't used to driving in ANY snowy conditions and apprehension alone can cause accidents. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
It's snowing!!
"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 25/11/05 21:51, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message from Broadback contains these words: I must say it makes me smile, on the TV they have shown this "terrible" snow, schools closed traffic stopped. You can still see grass tufts through the snow! How anyone from Eastern countries must smile, a bit of snow and everything stops here. Ill preparation and bad driving me thinks. Watching the TV news footage of Cornish roads immobilised, I have to admit the same thought crossed my mind. The road surface all around the long line of vehicles was black, and so clear I could see the line markings. From a Scottish perspective it seemed an extraordinarily minor depth of snow to warrant leaving 200 children stranded at school overnight. We saw the same thing and were amazed at the complete meltdown - unhappy choice of phrase, perhaps. But there are a couple of things to consider, I suppose. While the roads *looked* clear on the TV news, it had undoubtedly been snowing quite a lot earlier and I suspect the hold ups were due to traffic accidents which hadn't been cleared quickly. And of course, people down here aren't used to driving in ANY snowy conditions and apprehension alone can cause accidents. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Sothern Bedwetters:-) |
Snowing here too!
The message
from Chris Hogg contains these words: In far west Cornwall, it hovered around 4C most of last night and through today, with a strong to gale force NNW wind and passing hail showers. But at about 4pm the wind dropped sharply, veered easterly for about half an hour and the temperature plummeted. Then it started to snow. At 6pm the temperature was a whisker above freezing, the wind had gone back to the north and snow was lying about half an inch deep, although it now seems to be melting in places. I see the temperature has actually risen a degree in the last half hour. We'd managed to avoid the frosts earlier in the week, but not for much longer I fear. I hope my fleece 'wigwams' over my proteas do the biz, having survived the gales of last night! Raining here in Norfolk tonight. A bit warmer, too. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
It's snowing!!
"Sacha" wrote It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! No snow around here. Spent the day "Up Town" walking around near St Pauls. A lecture by the Master of the Templars Church (the vicar), in the actual Church, on the "DaVinci Code" then a visit to other local sites, Temple Bar, St Bride of Fleet St (the wedding cake church*) where, by coincidence, a choir were practicing for a concert tonight, the Olde Cheshire Cheese pub (renovated 1667), Dr Johnson's House, ..... what an incredible heritage we have. Bloody cold wind! What a day to choose! * it was a local baker that looked out of his window at the steeple and copied the tiered form for his famous wedding cakes which caught on nationwide and have now become traditional. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
It's snowing!!
The message
from Janet Baraclough contains these words: And of course, people down here aren't used to driving in ANY snowy conditions and apprehension alone can cause accidents. I couldn't help noticing how many of the vehicles "snowbound" in an inch of snow were 4 WD off-road monster jeeps with high tyre clearance :-) Hmmmm. I could relate tales about a fiend's Ford Cortina MkII on black ice on The Struie, and the Christmas holidays I toured the Highlands on a solo motorcycle... -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
It's snowing!!
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:51:35 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:
From a Scottish perspective it seemed an extraordinarily minor depth of snow to warrant leaving 200 children stranded at school overnight. H&S gone mad, if little Johny slips and grazes his knee the school is liable. Now if they let little Johny make proper slides on the playground he'd have much better understanding of "slippy" and better coordination to handle said "slippy" as well so he wouldn't fall over an graze his knee. As to the Scottish perspective the M74 up Annandale wasn't doing very well this morning. Stop, start, 10mph only a few miles was wet compacted snow the rest was a single lane of black tram lines. The heavies where the problem, most where only just manageing to get up the hills (not that motorways have particulary steep hills...). Only a couple of inches lying at the "worst". -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
It's snowing!!
On 25/11/05 22:47, in article , "Rupert"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 25/11/05 21:51, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message from Broadback contains these words: I must say it makes me smile, on the TV they have shown this "terrible" snow, schools closed traffic stopped. You can still see grass tufts through the snow! How anyone from Eastern countries must smile, a bit of snow and everything stops here. Ill preparation and bad driving me thinks. Watching the TV news footage of Cornish roads immobilised, I have to admit the same thought crossed my mind. The road surface all around the long line of vehicles was black, and so clear I could see the line markings. From a Scottish perspective it seemed an extraordinarily minor depth of snow to warrant leaving 200 children stranded at school overnight. We saw the same thing and were amazed at the complete meltdown - unhappy choice of phrase, perhaps. But there are a couple of things to consider, I suppose. While the roads *looked* clear on the TV news, it had undoubtedly been snowing quite a lot earlier and I suspect the hold ups were due to traffic accidents which hadn't been cleared quickly. And of course, people down here aren't used to driving in ANY snowy conditions and apprehension alone can cause accidents. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Sothern Bedwetters:-) Well, in defence of the southerners, I will point out that my husband's comment on seeing the news was that every time they showed a really major hold up, there seemed to be a cluster of police vehicles at the head of it! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Snowing here too!
On 25/11/05 23:05, in article
, "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote: snip Raining here in Norfolk tonight. A bit warmer, too. No more snow in our particular bit of Devon during the night, but I wouldn't like to think what it must be like on Dartmoor. Certainly it was below freezing when we went to bed last night and the wind chill was horrible! Here's some winter weather photos from the Beeb site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4469734.stm -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
It's snowing!!
On 25 Nov 2005 10:28:38 -0800, "
wrote: quote..by the by does anyone know how hardy oestopernums ( not sure of spelling) are as mine have wilted heavily with the frost. Depends on the variety. I had one in Lincolnshire for years, not sure which as it came as a cutting from my father, took everything the weather could thow at it including being frozen for days at a time, best to just leave it and see. Plenty in full flower here at the moment. Mike The white and pale pastel pink flowered ones seem hardier than those with darker colours. Many of the latter are recent introductions and have names that suggest they were bred in central Africa. Not surprisingly, they're not hardy. -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
It's snowing!!
In article , Sacha
writes We saw the same thing and were amazed at the complete meltdown - unhappy choice of phrase, perhaps. But there are a couple of things to consider, I suppose. While the roads *looked* clear on the TV news, it had undoubtedly been snowing quite a lot earlier and I suspect the hold ups were due to traffic accidents which hadn't been cleared quickly. And of course, people down here aren't used to driving in ANY snowy conditions and apprehension alone can cause accidents. Not necessarily even accidents. it just takes a couple of people not to manage a particularly tricky bit (eg not to make it up the other side of a dip) on a busy road for you rapidly to get a tailback - the news photos were of the tailback and not necessarily of the worst bit of the snow. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
It's snowing!!
"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha Holland ground to a total halt yesterday! Snow, hail, wind, storm force winds etc. One traffic jam was 88 km long ! Jenny (in a sunny - snow free Rotterdam) |
It's snowing!!
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:53:12 +0000, Sacha wrote:
Well, in defence of the southerners, I will point out that my husband's comment on seeing the news was that every time they showed a really major hold up, there seemed to be a cluster of police vehicles at the head of it! Ah but the police are there beause some berk has already bounced of the barrier or gone through the hedge. I went past 3 stranded vehicles, that had skidded and crashed on the M74 yesterday morning. Two where cars, the other a jack knifed lorry. The first was a people carrier thing had done a complete 360 contacting the barrier at least twice (you could tell from the tyre tracks in the snow). How you loose control to that extent on a straight, flat, motorway with black tramlines, at no more than 30mph is beyound me, a little twitch that you correct and regain control maybe but a complete 360? Maybe a session on a skid pan should be part of the driving test? -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
It's snowing!!
The message
from "JennyC" contains these words: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha Holland ground to a total halt yesterday! Snow, hail, wind, storm force winds etc. One traffic jam was 88 km long ! Well, you'd expect it, wouldn't you? With all those steep hills and hairpin bends everywhere you're bound to get trouble. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
Snowing here too!
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote Raining here in Norfolk tonight. A bit warmer, too. And hailing just a short while ago, although the sun is out now. Jim Bacon promised it wouldn't be as bad here as has been in the West Country, so I'm holding him responsible if it is. -- Sue |
It's snowing!!
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from "JennyC" contains these words: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! -- Sacha Holland ground to a total halt yesterday! Snow, hail, wind, storm force winds etc. One traffic jam was 88 km long ! Well, you'd expect it, wouldn't you? With all those steep hills and hairpin bends everywhere you're bound to get trouble. Rusty I think the main cause of the jams was people queuing up to get into the garden centres for Xmas decorations....... Jenny |
It's snowing!!
On 26/11/05 11:50, in article
, "Dave Liquorice" wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:53:12 +0000, Sacha wrote: Well, in defence of the southerners, I will point out that my husband's comment on seeing the news was that every time they showed a really major hold up, there seemed to be a cluster of police vehicles at the head of it! Ah but the police are there beause some berk has already bounced of the barrier or gone through the hedge. I went past 3 stranded vehicles, that had skidded and crashed on the M74 yesterday morning. Two where cars, the other a jack knifed lorry. The first was a people carrier thing had done a complete 360 contacting the barrier at least twice (you could tell from the tyre tracks in the snow). How you loose control to that extent on a straight, flat, motorway with black tramlines, at no more than 30mph is beyound me, a little twitch that you correct and regain control maybe but a complete 360? Maybe a session on a skid pan should be part of the driving test? I think the last suggestion is a very good idea! I think that what we seemed to be observing on the telly news was that accidents or 'incidents' were taking a long time to clear. I do realise that details have to be taken for insurance reports etc. but it's the hold ups while that's being done that seems to cause the trouble. I don't know what the solution is but I do know that it took my step daughter about an hour and a half to get back from Plymouth yesterday and it's usually a half hour journey, tops. Today however, most of the snow has gone in our area and it's been a bright, sunny, cloudless day. However, it's starting to cloud over again so I have selfish hopes of more snow! I drove towards Torquay way this morning and in the deeper lanes, where the sun hadn't reached, there were some quite interesting moments! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Snowing here too!
On 26/11/05 14:06, in article
, "Sue" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote Raining here in Norfolk tonight. A bit warmer, too. And hailing just a short while ago, although the sun is out now. Jim Bacon promised it wouldn't be as bad here as has been in the West Country, so I'm holding him responsible if it is. You sound like the late Lord Home who, when the barometer was obstinately set at 'fair' when it was teeming with rain outside, flung the instrument out of the window saying "see for yourself, you bloody thing!" -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
It's snowing!!
In message om, Dave
Liquorice writes Maybe a session on a skid pan should be part of the driving test? That's what our three daughters are getting for Christmas: a day at a skid pan! Maybe it's more a present for an ever-worried Mum, though.... -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
It's snowing!!
On 26/11/05 14:52, in article ,
"Klara" wrote: In message om, Dave Liquorice writes Maybe a session on a skid pan should be part of the driving test? That's what our three daughters are getting for Christmas: a day at a skid pan! Maybe it's more a present for an ever-worried Mum, though.... Red Letter Days? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Snowing here too!
"Sacha" wrote "Sue" wrote: And hailing just a short while ago, although the sun is out now. Jim Bacon promised it wouldn't be as bad here as has been in the West Country, so I'm holding him responsible if it is. You sound like the late Lord Home who, when the barometer was obstinately set at 'fair' when it was teeming with rain outside, flung the instrument out of the window saying "see for yourself, you bloody thing!" :-) Well you have to have someone/thing (delete as appropriate) to blame. -- Sue |
Snowing here too!
The message
from "Sue" contains these words: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote Raining here in Norfolk tonight. A bit warmer, too. And hailing just a short while ago, although the sun is out now. Jim Bacon promised it wouldn't be as bad here as has been in the West Country, so I'm holding him responsible if it is. Is Jim back on the box? Good-oh, if so. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
It's snowing!!
In article , JennyC
writes Holland ground to a total halt yesterday! Snow, hail, wind, storm force winds etc. One traffic jam was 88 km long! Wow! That's a lot of bicycles!! ;) -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK |
It's snowing!!
Sacha wrote:
It really is. We've got some cover on the lawn, though the cedar tree protects the grass underneath its canopy and snow is lying on paths, hedges etc. I can hardly believe my eyes - snow in South Devon in November! Now.....if it gets windy, this could get interesting! Got back home on Thursday after three glorious days in Torquay.Said we wanted to get home before the snow.Receptionist proudly replied " We never have snow in Torquay".We all know the rest.Changed at Newton Abbot.Three men already on the train from somewhere in Cornwall.They said they had "just got out". Bet they were glad. They say it gets cold "on The Moor". |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:42 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter