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How much should a gardener cost?
Hi All
I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. The garden is about 5m by 10m and is about 2/3 lawn and the rest is a kind of box hedge about 60cm high and then beds to the other 3 sides. It is for my mother who lives in the Bradford region (West Yorkshire) and I want her to get a good professional in who will take everything away and make a nice job of it. Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. Many Thanks Lawnmower Man |
How much should a gardener cost?
Around here, Bradford, I guess you would expect 5-10 per hour.
I would be inclined to get a fixed price for clearing and getting the garden in an OK state first. "lawnmower man" wrote in message ... Hi All I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. The garden is about 5m by 10m and is about 2/3 lawn and the rest is a kind of box hedge about 60cm high and then beds to the other 3 sides. It is for my mother who lives in the Bradford region (West Yorkshire) and I want her to get a good professional in who will take everything away and make a nice job of it. Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. Many Thanks Lawnmower Man -- lawnmower man |
How much should a gardener cost?
"lawnmower man" wrote I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. The garden is about 5m by 10m and is about 2/3 lawn and the rest is a kind of box hedge about 60cm high and then beds to the other 3 sides. It is for my mother who lives in the Bradford region (West Yorkshire) and I want her to get a good professional in who will take everything away and make a nice job of it. Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. The one around here charged £15 per hour min £45 two years ago and he wasn't a trained gardener just an odd job man. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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On 12/12/05 15:02, in article , "Rupert"
wrote: Around here, Bradford, I guess you would expect 5-10 per hour. I would be inclined to get a fixed price for clearing and getting the garden in an OK state first. "lawnmower man" wrote in message ... Hi All I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. The garden is about 5m by 10m and is about 2/3 lawn and the rest is a kind of box hedge about 60cm high and then beds to the other 3 sides. It is for my mother who lives in the Bradford region (West Yorkshire) and I want her to get a good professional in who will take everything away and make a nice job of it. Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. Could you try to post directly to and from urg, please? Garden Banter does not have permission from most people here to use their posts and is simply living off the efforts of others. I don't get garden banter posts at all, and I doubt I'm the only one so it might be more helpful to you now and in the future to use urg directly, if you can. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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On 12/12/05 15:58, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "lawnmower man" wrote snip Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. The one around here charged £15 per hour min £45 two years ago and he wasn't a trained gardener just an odd job man. That's about the same here now, too. Our chap brings his own machinery, too. But he doesn't garden, as such - he cuts the lawns, does the hedges in autumn, things like that. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
How much should a gardener cost?
Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. The one around here charged £15 per hour min £45 two years ago and he wasn't a trained gardener just an odd job man. That's about the same here now, too. Our chap brings his own machinery, too. But he doesn't garden, as such - he cuts the lawns, does the hedges in autumn, things like that. We have a gem who can do all the basic stuff, he also builds and repairs stone walls, we pay him £10 per.hour plus tea and biscuits when he has done,we get value for money :-) kate Gloucestershire |
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That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now.
Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? Which one of you is 'Mabel at the Table'? And just remember where she ended up :-(( on a soap. Is that all you think both of you are fit for? AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO HAVE A GO AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Sorry, unable to 'name drop' as to who lived in my house before me :-((((((((( -- .. "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from lawnmower man contains these words: Hi All I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! You aren't looking in the right place. uk .rec.gardening is a usenet newsgroup, and has nothing to do with gardenbanter. You're not seeing the full real newsgroup, just the pitifully mangled clumsy fraction of it which gardenbanter permits you to see. The urg archive also has nothing to do with gardenbanter and is not located on that website. You'll find free public access to the REAL urg archive at http://groups.google.com/ Type the name of the group in the search field. From there. go to advanced search and put in key words of the topic you're looking for; it's self explanatory. Janet |
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Depends as to whether you employ a gardener/OAP someone who just does
it in his spare time, and gets paid in cash. Nudge nudge wink wink, don't tell the tax man/employment office/benefits office etc etc. Or a full time gardener, who has a family to keep, and a van and insurance etc etc. The first one you might get for £5/hr. The second one anything from £10/hr upwards. |
How much should a gardener cost?
"lawnmower man" wrote in message ... Hi All I know this is probably a thread that has been asked before and for this i apologise. I have tried to access the archive but had no luck so here goes!!! Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. The garden is about 5m by 10m and is about 2/3 lawn and the rest is a kind of box hedge about 60cm high and then beds to the other 3 sides. It is for my mother who lives in the Bradford region (West Yorkshire) and I want her to get a good professional in who will take everything away and make a nice job of it. Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. .... The best advice is to get a personal recommendation of a suitable person from somebody living locally. Cost is immaterial if they can't in fact do a satisfactory job. And the only way to find out whether they can or not, is from existing satisfied customers rather than any claims they may make about themselves, in their entry in "Yellow Pages" michael adams .... Many Thanks Lawnmower Man -- lawnmower man |
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"gb" wrote in message ... Depends as to whether you employ a gardener/OAP someone who just does it in his spare time, and gets paid in cash. Nudge nudge wink wink, don't tell the tax man/employment office/benefits office etc etc. Or a full time gardener, who has a family to keep, and a van and insurance etc etc. The first one you might get for £5/hr. The second one anything from £10/hr upwards. The second sometimes does a nudge nudge wink wink as well. |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:40:56 +0000, Sacha wrote:
the person who looks after the local churchyard........ They get paid nothing! |
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On 12/12/05 19:40, in article ,
"Saxman" wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:40:56 +0000, Sacha wrote: the person who looks after the local churchyard........ They get paid nothing! Really? Where is that? You mean whoever does it, does it for love? AFAIK, sextons get paid, surely? However, they might be willing to do such work themselves or know people who do. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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"Sacha" wrote after "Bob Hobden" answered "lawnmower man" snip Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. The one around here charged £15 per hour min £45 two years ago and he wasn't a trained gardener just an odd job man. That's about the same here now, too. Our chap brings his own machinery, too. But he doesn't garden, as such - he cuts the lawns, does the hedges in autumn, things like that. This guy did painting and decorating as well as tidying up gardens but couldn't prune my neighbours apple trees etc. He now concentrates on the painting and decorating side and there is another "gardener" about now and he appears more professional, unfortunately I have no idea how much he charges. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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On 12/12/05 22:24, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote after "Bob Hobden" answered "lawnmower man" snip Any ideas of cost would be really appreciated so i can help her get somebody good. The one around here charged £15 per hour min £45 two years ago and he wasn't a trained gardener just an odd job man. That's about the same here now, too. Our chap brings his own machinery, too. But he doesn't garden, as such - he cuts the lawns, does the hedges in autumn, things like that. This guy did painting and decorating as well as tidying up gardens but couldn't prune my neighbours apple trees etc. He now concentrates on the painting and decorating side and there is another "gardener" about now and he appears more professional, unfortunately I have no idea how much he charges. I think that a 'real' gardener would probably be twice the price but does anyone with the average sized garden need such a person? I'm talking about someone who would run a garden as a housekeeper would run a house, and both are few and far between these days in private houses. Such a gardener would do absolutely *everything* including taking cuttings from his or her employer's plants, raising plants from seed, bringing on veg or fruit for the family's table etc. etc. What most people mean by a gardener nowadays, is someone who cuts the grass, does a bit of weeding as directed and generally keeps things tidy. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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I do a bit of gardening in Bradford. You're v. welcome to drop me a line at & we could see if i can help you with this? cheers Kirsty |
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lawnmower man wrote: Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. (snip) Councils salary for 37 hours/ week working gardeners you can expect £200/£335 per week depending on experience. That gives you an idea of the average for a gardener, £9 per hour is the norm. My friend charges £8/hour and he is doing small gardens like yours. He uses all his own tools and doesn't drink tea... He offers an annual timetable to his customers and decide as a contract the work needed in advance. Some people want nothing to do with it, others would like to 'learn' - he's a flexible gardener. Use: http://www.ufindus.com to find a gardener in your area. |
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Sacha wrote:
On 12/12/05 19:40, in article , "Saxman" wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:40:56 +0000, Sacha wrote: the person who looks after the local churchyard........ They get paid nothing! Really? Where is that? You mean whoever does it, does it for love? AFAIK, sextons get paid, surely? However, they might be willing to do such work themselves or know people who do. My neighbour does the lawn at his church along with the beds and the weeding, he does it for nothing....I might set up a large crucifix in my garden and see if he'll do mine. :-p |
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Mike wrote:
That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? - what if another 'portal' opened up, one with illegal stuff on it and used my (or your) quotes, would you still be happy to be 'associated' with it then? |
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shove an ad in the local shop window for a gardener \ odd job man
at £7 to £8 an hr cash for 3 to 4 hrs a week and wait for the line to form i pay mine £20 for 3 hrs a week he mows the lawn generaly tidys and smiles a lot when i take him for a pint he's on benifits and likes a bit of cash on the side lay down the rules ie he mows teh lawn tidies the borders does the odd hr extra in the summer and gets the odd hr off in the winter as is needed and bung him a good xmas box you will be suprised at how many older pentioners apply just for the pin money mine gets to keep all the seedlings ect he dont plant so he gets his stuff for free it works try it you dont need to spend a fortune just utalise the local black economy and moraly who loses i rather employ some one on a ad hoc basis who enjoys the job than a proffessional anyday "La puce" wrote in message oups.com... lawnmower man wrote: Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. (snip) Councils salary for 37 hours/ week working gardeners you can expect £200/£335 per week depending on experience. That gives you an idea of the average for a gardener, £9 per hour is the norm. My friend charges £8/hour and he is doing small gardens like yours. He uses all his own tools and doesn't drink tea... He offers an annual timetable to his customers and decide as a contract the work needed in advance. Some people want nothing to do with it, others would like to 'learn' - he's a flexible gardener. Use: http://www.ufindus.com to find a gardener in your area. |
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TR wrote: shove an ad in the local shop window for a gardener \ odd job man at £7 to £8 an hr cash for 3 to 4 hrs a week and wait for the line to form i pay mine £20 for 3 hrs a week he mowsthe lawn generaly tidys and smiles a lot when i take him for a pint he's on benifits and likes a bit of cash on the side lay down the rules ie he mows teh lawn tidies the borders does the odd hr extra in the summer and gets the odd hr off in the winter as is needed and bung him a good xmas box you will be suprised at how many older pentioners apply just for the pin money mine gets to keep all the seedlings ect he dont plant so he gets his stuff for free it works try it you dont need to spend a fortune just utalise the local black economy and moraly who loses i rather employ some one on a ad hoc basis who enjoys the job than a proffessional anyday Good for you TR. I've just found out that another mate charges £17 per hour. Tis because of the taxes, he said. Bless him ;o) |
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"TR" you @me wrote in message ... he's on benifits and likes a bit of cash on the side One of those. A cowboy who is doing proper folk out of a job. BTW If you knowingly employ someone who is claiming unemployment benefit then you too may be liable to prosecution, when and if the gaff is up |
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Phil L wrote:
Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. |
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La puce wrote:
lawnmower man wrote: Can anyone advise me as to how much a good gardener should cost to tidy a small garden as it is a bit overgrown, and then routinely cut it and keep it generally tidy, weeding etc. Councils salary for 37 hours/ week working gardeners you can expect £200/£335 per week depending on experience. That gives you an idea of the average for a gardener, £9 per hour is the norm. A relative of mine pays her "gardener" (council gardener who does odds and ends) £10 per hour, for a couple of hours a week. He's not the brightest chap, but is OK at general tidying up, trimming and so on. I think he's learning a thing or two on the job, too! |
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"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Phil L wrote: Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. Glad you said that. It's probably what a lot of people are thinking. Prepare to be educated by Janet & Sacha |
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Rupert wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote... Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter [snip] I can't see a big problem with it. Glad you said that. It's probably what a lot of people are thinking. Well, the posters *are* probably gardeners, aren't they! |
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"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Phil L wrote: Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. That isn't the problem. The problem is that posts show up on here from people posting in Gardenbanter, who are totally unaware of Usenet or NewsGroups, at all, and who are often responding to messages in Gardenbanter which don't even show up on here. After a while, as you may imagine it can get a bit wearing. One basic assumption about NewsGroups is that most people who post will get the hang of things by first reading the NewsGroup for a while. Many of the posts from Gardenbanter are from total newbies attracted to their website for some reason, who don't really have a clue. And it's not the role of NewsGroups to have to put them straight as to how the Banter websites work - "Gardenbanter" isn't the only one you'll be pleased to know - and their relation to Usenet and NewsGroups. That should be the job of the Banter sites. And because they're from newbies, its impossible to killfile all their posts in advance. Allegedly. michael adams .... |
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amended:
"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Phil L wrote: Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, .... Having just had a look, like all the banters sites its used for harvesting email addresses from particular interest groups. You need a password to post, for which you need to give them a valid email address. Most newbies won't think twice and will end up getting inundated with spam. .... and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. That isn't the problem. The problem is that posts show up on here from people posting in Gardenbanter, who are totally unaware of Usenet or NewsGroups, at all, and who are often responding to messages in Gardenbanter which don't even show up on here. After a while, as you may imagine it can get a bit wearing. One basic assumption about NewsGroups is that most people who post will get the hang of things by first reading the NewsGroup for a while. Many of the posts from Gardenbanter are from total newbies attracted to their website for some reason, who don't really have a clue. And it's not the role of NewsGroups to have to put them straight as to how the Banter websites work - "Gardenbanter" isn't the only one you'll be pleased to know - and their relation to Usenet and NewsGroups. That should be the job of the Banter sites. And because they're from newbies, its impossible to killfile all their posts in advance. Allegedly. michael adams .... |
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michael adams wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote... Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter ... Having just had a look, like all the banters sites its used for harvesting email addresses from particular interest groups. You need a password to post, for which you need to give them a valid email address. Most newbies won't think twice and will end up getting inundated with spam. ... It doesn't say anything about that in their "privacy statement". I've registered, to see what happens! |
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"michael adams" wrote in message ... "Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Phil L wrote: Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. That isn't the problem. The problem is that posts show up on here from people posting in Gardenbanter, who are totally unaware of Usenet or NewsGroups, at all, and who are often responding to messages in Gardenbanter which don't even show up on here. After a while, as you may imagine it can get a bit wearing. One basic assumption about NewsGroups is that most people who post will get the hang of things by first reading the NewsGroup for a while. Many of the posts from Gardenbanter are from total newbies attracted to their website for some reason, who don't really have a clue. And it's not the role of NewsGroups to have to put them straight as to how the Banter websites work - "Gardenbanter" isn't the only one you'll be pleased to know - and their relation to Usenet and NewsGroups. That should be the job of the Banter sites. And because they're from newbies, its impossible to killfile all their posts in advance. Allegedly. michael adams ... I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. The problem is not helped by Isp's who do not offer news or email servers and rely totally on web based stuff. Under those circumstances the Newbie or Pro will have problems conforming to standards |
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Chris Bacon wrote:
Phil L wrote: Mike wrote: That's both of you net nanny owners of this newsgroup had a go now. Just what is the matter with the pair of you that you BOTH have to 'Have a go' at both the poster and Garden banter? I don't think anyone had a go at the OP, just gardenbanter, which is surreptitiously using our postings to gain income, (if you ever visit that hideous place you will see the adverts littered around all over the website for which he gets an income) and I alos don't agree with my ramblings being placed on a website which doesn't have my permission, where does it end? Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The newsfeed seems to be complete for u.r.g, as well - it's even got anti-G.B. posts from "Sacha" and "Janet Baraclough" as well as your comments. While I don't think I'd particularly enjoy using their interface, I can't see a big problem with it. The ads aren't intrusive, IE not popups or similar but they are there, just clicking on the UK 'banter' department gives you this page, which contains no less than 15 advertsement links: https://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/united-kingdom/ clicking on any of the threads gives different adverts, EG clicking the one about 'planting bulbs on a late...' gives specific ads relating to bulbs, "buy flower bulbs direct" £buy flower bulbs for less" Flower bulbs are us" etc etc...clicking on the post entitled 'gates' brings up similar garbage "foxwedge gates Ltd" " jacksons security fencing" and so on. |
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Rupert wrote:
I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. Hang on, Rupe (if I may call you that) - I haven't looked for broken threads. Is there an "internal post" function to G.B.? If people there post to u.r.g. from there, presumably they'll reply here each time to, won't they? I'd like to see (be shown! one of these "broken threads", just to satisfy my curiosity. I see there'e a "sticky" article (not my terminology!) with the title "abc for newcomers to uk.rec.gardening. Please read... before posting" which recommends that the u.r.g. charter/FAQs be read, which should help noobs. The problem is not helped by Isp's who do not offer news or email servers and rely totally on web based stuff. Under those circumstances the Newbie or Pro will have problems conforming to standards Many people who "use the 'net" have never heard of Usenet, or anything much apart from Microsoft products. However, that's probably a topic for another place... |
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Phil L wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote: Out of curiosity, I've just had a look at gardenbanter - I can't see intrusive ads, and AFAIK there's no reason that posts from u.r.g shouldn't be incorporated into such a venture. The ads aren't intrusive, IE not popups or similar but they are there, just clicking on the UK 'banter' department gives you this page, which contains no less than 15 advertsement links: http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=41 But they're only visible to G.B. users, not here... what is the issue? Mightn't they be useful for a subset of gardeners? Even the RHS accepts (and charges for!) advertisements! |
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"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Rupert wrote: I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. Hang on, Rupe (if I may call you that) - I haven't looked for broken threads. Is there an "internal post" function to G.B.? If people there post to u.r.g. from there, presumably they'll reply here each time to, won't they? I'd like to see (be shown! one of these "broken threads", just to satisfy my curiosity. Sorry Chris--my bad/wrong terminology.---- What I meant was both you and I could not see any evidence to support the "missing posts" that Michael referred to. |
How much should a gardener cost?
Rupert wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Rupert wrote: I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. Hang on, Rupe (if I may call you that) - I haven't looked for broken threads. Is there an "internal post" function to G.B.? If people there post to u.r.g. from there, presumably they'll reply here each time to, won't they? I'd like to see (be shown! one of these "broken threads", just to satisfy my curiosity. Sorry Chris--my bad/wrong terminology.---- What I meant was both you and I could not see any evidence to support the "missing posts" that Michael referred to. If you stay here for any length of time you will, GB archives posts and it's not uncommon for someone to post a reply almost two years later through their website! - it lands here as a new post, very often with all preceeding text snipped so that no one knows what it's about, EG: Elephant dung Yes I've heard you can get them from Sears but they only have the yellow ones left, $3.50 for four. |
How much should a gardener cost?
I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. The following was posted on here via gardenbanter, in response to a post made on uk.rec.gardening on Nov 4 2002 The names and addresses have been obscured ---- Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening From: XXX - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:28:34 +0000 Local: Mon, Aug 29 2005 8:28 am Subject: Anyone want some Ipomea seeds? Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Dear XXXXXX, if you would really like to offload a few Ipomea seeds I would love them especially magenta. Have you tried variety 'Grandpa Oats' lovely deep purple with magenta star. My address 5 XXXXXX XXXXXXXX. XXXX XXX Many Thanks XXX ---- michael adams .... |
How much should a gardener cost?
michael adams wrote:
I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. The following was posted on here via gardenbanter, in response to a post made on uk.rec.gardening on Nov 4 2002 [snip] Subject: Anyone want some Ipomea seeds? Um, but that's just someone replying to an old article! The threading seems fine. In addition, the article as seen on gardenbanter has got the posting date in it! http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showth...ghlight=Ipomea |
How much should a gardener cost?
"Phil L" wrote in message k... Rupert wrote: "Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... Rupert wrote: I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. Hang on, Rupe (if I may call you that) - I haven't looked for broken threads. Is there an "internal post" function to G.B.? If people there post to u.r.g. from there, presumably they'll reply here each time to, won't they? I'd like to see (be shown! one of these "broken threads", just to satisfy my curiosity. Sorry Chris--my bad/wrong terminology.---- What I meant was both you and I could not see any evidence to support the "missing posts" that Michael referred to. If you stay here for any length of time you will, GB archives posts and it's not uncommon for someone to post a reply almost two years later through their website! - it lands here as a new post, very often with all preceeding text snipped so that no one knows what it's about, EG: Elephant dung Yes I've heard you can get them from Sears but they only have the yellow ones left, $3.50 for four. Ok thanks for that explanation. I must admit I've been here for many years and never noticed --I used to be don but there were too many other dons around in other groups so I changed to a Rupert. |
How much should a gardener cost?
"Chris Bacon" wrote in message ... michael adams wrote: I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. The following was posted on here via gardenbanter, in response to a post made on uk.rec.gardening on Nov 4 2002 [snip] Subject: Anyone want some Ipomea seeds? Um, but that's just someone replying to an old article! What possible benefit or amenity is there to anyone, in allowing them to respond to articles which are over three years old ? Are you suggesting that anyone who posts an article on UseNet on any subject, should thereby be obliged to follow up all polite reponses to that aricle in perpetuity? Either that or appear unconscionably rude? Google who actually contribute rather than parasitse on Usenet, sensibly impose a 30 day limit for replies Google Groups Help quote Can I reply to older posts in the archive? You can reply to any message in Google Groups that was posted in the last 30 days. After 30 days, the option to post a reply to the message is removed. In Usenet proper, articles are usually retired (removed completely) if they are inactive for 30 days. Removing the option to post a reply to a message more than 30 days old simulates this feature in Google Groups. /quote Some users may find plenty to complain about in respect of the new Beta Google Groups interface, as compared with before, but Google are at least firmly committed to maintaining the Usenet archive. Unlike Gardenbanter who are little less than a shower of parasites who are simply seeking to interpose themselves between UseNet, which is a free public forum open to all, and potential users of UseNet. Furthermore it's open to parasites such as Gardenbanter, to restrict full access, to who don't know any better, to all the free resource of Usenet, by denying them the ability to post. By failing to recognise their password. This applies equally to Google Groups of course, except Google aren't merely parasites, and are possibly more accountable having a wider and more knowledgeable user base. This is all I have to say on the subject. michael adams .... The threading seems fine. In addition, the article as seen on gardenbanter has got the posting date in it! http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showth...ghlight=Ipomea |
How much should a gardener cost?
michael adams wrote:
"Chris Bacon" wrote... michael adams wrote: I don't use GB but I can see that broken threads will cause confusion, although neither Chris or I can find any. The following was posted on here via gardenbanter, in response to a post made on uk.rec.gardening on Nov 4 2002 [snip] Subject: Anyone want some Ipomea seeds? Um, but that's just someone replying to an old article! What possible benefit or amenity is there to anyone, in allowing them to respond to articles which are over three years old ? Things do come up again and again - old articles may be usefully used for context or reference. Are you suggesting that anyone who posts an article on UseNet on any subject, should thereby be obliged to follow up all polite reponses to that aricle in perpetuity? Either that or appear unconscionably rude? No, and nowhere have I said that, or implied it. Google who actually contribute rather than parasitse on Usenet, sensibly impose a 30 day limit for replies You can still reply to old articles from Google, it's just a bit more involved. Unlike Gardenbanter who are little less than a shower of parasites who are simply seeking to interpose themselves between UseNet, which is a free public forum open to all, and potential users of UseNet. Gardenbanter seems to be free - I haven't been asked for money. Is thete something which prevents Gardenbanter users switching to post straight to u.r.gt (or wherever)? Furthermore it's open to parasites such as Gardenbanter, to restrict full access, to who don't know any better, to all the free resource of Usenet, by denying them the ability to post. By failing to recognise their password. Um... not sure what you mean, here. This applies equally to Google Groups of course, except Google aren't merely parasites, and are possibly more accountable having a wider and more knowledgeable user base. Quite possibly. This is all I have to say on the subject. Oh. OK. The threading seems fine. In addition, the article as seen on gardenbanter has got the posting date in it! http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showth...ghlight=Ipomea |
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