| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
I'm thinking this could be ideal for growing over a pergola and training
along over the top of an adjacent fence with a gate in it at the side of the building where some people have gained access to the garden and tried to break in. The idea is to have a climbing rose along with other security measures- since I have the pergola I might as well have a climbing rose on that and train it where it is needed to make it unpleasant for potential burglars. MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), apparently has the right qualities as it grows high and wide enough for two to cover the area in question, and it can put up with less sun than many roses. For this location and purpose it seems ideal. However it was descibed in a book as not very thorny. Its the thorns that I'm planting it for! I would be good to know how thorny or un-thorny it is. If it has half as many thorns as a "fairly thorny" climbing rose, that would probably still make it a very uncomfortable experience to come apon it sudddenly in the dark while you're looking for ways of breaking into people's houses. I don't need it to be *covered* with thorns, just to have them every so often. It could be fine, I just don't know. Suggestions for any other climbers would be great if anyone has any. It needs to be vigourous, grow about 4m high and 3m wide or more, have thorns, not mind less than 4 hours sun per day, have some scent (the more the better), preferably be a repeat flowerer and be a quiet colour- ie no reds or oranges; white, pale pink etc would be fine. Oh and an easy to grow disease-resistant plant would be handy too! Any ideas, please let me know. -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
In article m,
VX wrote: I'm thinking this could be ideal for growing over a pergola and training along over the top of an adjacent fence with a gate in it at the side of the building where some people have gained access to the garden and tried to break in. The idea is to have a climbing rose along with other security measures- since I have the pergola I might as well have a climbing rose on that and train it where it is needed to make it unpleasant for potential burglars. Sorry. Forget it. I grow it, precisely because it isn't very thorny. A nice rose, but not much of a burglar deterrent. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
"VX" wrote in message s.com... I'm thinking this could be ideal for growing over a pergola and training along over the top of an adjacent fence with a gate in it at the side of the building where some people have gained access to the garden and tried to break in. The idea is to have a climbing rose along with other security measures- since I have the pergola I might as well have a climbing rose on that and train it where it is needed to make it unpleasant for potential burglars. MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), apparently has the right qualities as it grows high and wide enough for two to cover the area in question, and it can put up with less sun than many roses. For this location and purpose it seems ideal. However it was descibed in a book as not very thorny. Its the thorns that I'm planting it for! I would be good to know how thorny or un-thorny it is. If it has half as many thorns as a "fairly thorny" climbing rose, that would probably still make it a very uncomfortable experience to come apon it sudddenly in the dark while you're looking for ways of breaking into people's houses. I don't need it to be *covered* with thorns, just to have them every so often. It could be fine, I just don't know. Suggestions for any other climbers would be great if anyone has any. It needs to be vigourous, grow about 4m high and 3m wide or more, have thorns, not mind less than 4 hours sun per day, have some scent (the more the better), preferably be a repeat flowerer and be a quiet colour- ie no reds or oranges; white, pale pink etc would be fine. Oh and an easy to grow disease-resistant plant would be handy too! Any ideas, please let me know. VX (remove alcohol for email) Try Rosa 'Alberic Barbier' instead, although not at the top of the list thorns wise its a lot thornier than Madam Alfred Carrier which as Nick has said is almost completely thornless. If you can get it 'La Perle' is also a good choice, both these I would describe as cream white and are of wichuriana rambler descent, if you want a hint of pink I would go for Adelaide d' Orleans which is a sempervirens type rambler with flowers like giant cherry blossom. all are easy and trouble free and nearly evergreen. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
VX wrote:
MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), MAC for me is white with the odd hint of pink. It is very flexible and easily trained. It also grows like the clappers. It is not very thorny, so it terms of vicous personnel deterent you may wish to consider another rose or something in addition to MAC. HTH Sarah |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
In article ,
Sarah Dale wrote: VX wrote: MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), MAC for me is white with the odd hint of pink. It is very flexible and easily trained. It also grows like the clappers. It is not very thorny, so it terms of vicous personnel deterent you may wish to consider another rose or something in addition to MAC. That is my experience, too. Actually, I had an idea. Himalayan Giant blackberries have the right size and properties, so it isn't just roses that could be used. In fact a combination of them and the above rose would probably work. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
"VX" wrote in message s.com... I'm thinking this could be ideal for growing over a pergola and training along over the top of an adjacent fence with a gate in it at the side of the building where some people have gained access to the garden and tried to break in. The idea is to have a climbing rose along with other security measures- since I have the pergola I might as well have a climbing rose on that and train it where it is needed to make it unpleasant for potential burglars. MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), apparently has the right qualities as it grows high and wide enough for two to cover the area in question, and it can put up with less sun than many roses. For this location and purpose it seems ideal. However it was descibed in a book as not very thorny. Its the thorns that I'm planting it for! I would be good to know how thorny or un-thorny it is. If it has half as many thorns as a "fairly thorny" climbing rose, that would probably still make it a very uncomfortable experience to come apon it sudddenly in the dark while you're looking for ways of breaking into people's houses. I don't need it to be *covered* with thorns, just to have them every so often. It could be fine, I just don't know. Suggestions for any other climbers would be great if anyone has any. It needs to be vigourous, grow about 4m high and 3m wide or more, have thorns, not mind less than 4 hours sun per day, have some scent (the more the better), preferably be a repeat flowerer and be a quiet colour- ie no reds or oranges; white, pale pink etc would be fine. Oh and an easy to grow disease-resistant plant would be handy too! Any ideas, please let me know. I like masquerade. It has big thorns and lots of them. Mine is grown north facing, it never gets diseases but sadly is all the colours you don't want. I think you may have to compromise somewhere. Get a nice pink thornless rose and a rottweiler perhaps? |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
"VX" wrote in message s.com... I'm thinking this could be ideal for growing over a pergola and training along over the top of an adjacent fence with a gate in it at the side of the building where some people have gained access to the garden and tried to break in. The idea is to have a climbing rose along with other security measures- since I have the pergola I might as well have a climbing rose on that and train it where it is needed to make it unpleasant for potential burglars. MAC is a colour I like for this situation (v pale pink- I don't want anythng too conspicuous), apparently has the right qualities as it grows high and wide enough for two to cover the area in question, and it can put up with less sun than many roses. For this location and purpose it seems ideal. However it was descibed in a book as not very thorny. Its the thorns that I'm planting it for! I would be good to know how thorny or un-thorny it is. If it has half as many thorns as a "fairly thorny" climbing rose, that would probably still make it a very uncomfortable experience to come apon it sudddenly in the dark while you're looking for ways of breaking into people's houses. I don't need it to be *covered* with thorns, just to have them every so often. It could be fine, I just don't know. Suggestions for any other climbers would be great if anyone has any. It needs to be vigourous, grow about 4m high and 3m wide or more, have thorns, not mind less than 4 hours sun per day, have some scent (the more the better), preferably be a repeat flowerer and be a quiet colour- ie no reds or oranges; white, pale pink etc would be fine. Oh and an easy to grow disease-resistant plant would be handy too! Any ideas, please let me know. You have my sympathies. At a previous house I had a similar problems which were solved by using razor wire through which we grew a variety of climbers. This link may help a bit http://www.cleveland.police.uk/crime...den/plants.htm -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 8:52:20 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote
(in message ): Try Rosa 'Alberic Barbier' instead, although not at the top of the list thorns wise its a lot thornier than Madam Alfred Carrier which as Nick has said is almost completely thornless. If you can get it 'La Perle' is also a good choice, both these I would describe as cream white and are of wichuriana rambler descent, if you want a hint of pink I would go for Adelaide d' Orleans which is a sempervirens type rambler with flowers like giant cherry blossom. all are easy and trouble free and nearly evergreen. AB looks quite good. Is it a rambler insofar as needing to be cut back to almost nothing and regrowing each year? There is a problem - the pergola I have was put in an odd position for privacy purposes- one long side is a mere 18" away from the neighbours fence! Consequently pruning and related activities will be a bit of an issue with such limited access. Add to that my partial disability and I have a reason AFAICS to go for a climber rather than a rambler. At least with a climber I think pruning is limited to trimming and thinning out or whatever as needed- I don't have to worry about re-threading the whole thing through the trellis every year, which I beleive I'd be doing with a rambler. If I'm mistaken about this though, do please tell me! Looking at what else is available, I think Gloire de Dijon seems like it could be a good option. I'm assuming it is reasonably thorny, but have seen no references to that anywhere I've looked. Is anyone familiar with this one? -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
"VX" wrote in message s.com... On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 8:52:20 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote (in message ): Try Rosa 'Alberic Barbier' instead, although not at the top of the list thorns wise its a lot thornier than Madam Alfred Carrier which as Nick has said is almost completely thornless. If you can get it 'La Perle' is also a good choice, both these I would describe as cream white and are of wichuriana rambler descent, if you want a hint of pink I would go for Adelaide d' Orleans which is a sempervirens type rambler with flowers like giant cherry blossom. all are easy and trouble free and nearly evergreen. AB looks quite good. Is it a rambler insofar as needing to be cut back to almost nothing and regrowing each year? There is a problem - the pergola I have was put in an odd position for privacy purposes- one long side is a mere 18" away from the neighbours fence! Consequently pruning and related activities will be a bit of an issue with such limited access. Add to that my partial disability and I have a reason AFAICS to go for a climber rather than a rambler. At least with a climber I think pruning is limited to trimming and thinning out or whatever as needed- I don't have to worry about re-threading the whole thing through the trellis every year, which I beleive I'd be doing with a rambler. If I'm mistaken about this though, do please tell me! Looking at what else is available, I think Gloire de Dijon seems like it could be a good option. I'm assuming it is reasonably thorny, but have seen no references to that anywhere I've looked. Is anyone familiar with this one? -- VX (remove alcohol for email) I don't know if I am right to do so but I just remove a couple of the oldest stems each year by cutting them into short lengths then allowing their new replacements to grow in. I find the ramblers more flexible and easier to grow here, Cornwall is not good rose country! -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
VX wrote:
AB looks quite good. Is it a rambler insofar as needing to be cut back to almost nothing and regrowing each year? There is a problem - the pergola I have was put in an odd position for privacy purposes- one long side is a mere 18" away from the neighbours fence! Consequently pruning and related activities will be a bit of an issue with such limited access. Add to that my partial disability and I have a reason AFAICS to go for a climber rather than a rambler. At least with a climber I think pruning is limited to trimming and thinning out or whatever as needed- I don't have to worry about re-threading the whole thing through the trellis every year, which I beleive I'd be doing with a rambler. If I'm mistaken about this though, do please tell me! AKAIK rambler pruning is simply limited to pruning out what you want to prune out, and the same as pruning a climber. With something like MMe Alfred Carriere, I used to prune out a couple of the oldest, thickest stems every year just to reduce the overall mass of rose because it was outgrowing its alloted space. Sarah |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 8:49:02 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote
(in message ): I don't know if I am right to do so but I just remove a couple of the oldest stems each year by cutting them into short lengths then allowing their new replacements to grow in. I find the ramblers more flexible and easier to grow here, Cornwall is not good rose country! I'd really like to understand this- can I ask what it is about ramblers that seems more flexible (and easier to grow)? If I can get my head round this I could be on to something (like knowing what I'm doing and even maybe making a good choice....) -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
In article m, VX writes: | On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 8:49:02 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote | (in message ): | | I don't know if I am right to do so but I just remove a couple of the oldest | stems each year by cutting them into short lengths then allowing their new | replacements to grow in. I find the ramblers more flexible and easier to | grow here, Cornwall is not good rose country! | | I'd really like to understand this- can I ask what it is about ramblers that | seems more flexible (and easier to grow)? If I can get my head round this I | could be on to something (like knowing what I'm doing and even maybe making a | good choice....) Ramblers are typically very vigorous species and varieties and so may be easier to grow in marginal conditions. The division into climbers, ramblers and shrub roses is pretty arbitrary. None are true climbers - the closest roses come is ones that grow up through bushes and are prevented from falling back by their thorns, and many roses will do that if grown in other shrubs and make a bush if grown in the open. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:04:49 +0000, Nick Maclaren wrote
(in message ): I'd really like to understand this- can I ask what it is about ramblers that seems more flexible (and easier to grow)? If I can get my head round this I could be on to something (like knowing what I'm doing and even maybe making a good choice....) Ramblers are typically very vigorous species and varieties and so may be easier to grow in marginal conditions. The division into climbers, ramblers and shrub roses is pretty arbitrary. None are true climbers - the closest roses come is ones that grow up through bushes and are prevented from falling back by their thorns, and many roses will do that if grown in other shrubs and make a bush if grown in the open. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Thanks. Ok, I get it now. I was thinking that what I knew some decades ago when I was doing stuff in my parents garden was still current knowledge! It isn't. One of my books seems to be saying that we know a lot better nowadays and cutting ramblers down to nearly nothing could even kill them. So I just ordered a couple of Alberic Barbier. It sounds very good- I especially like the references to A.B. having "been seen growing quite happily in unsuitable conditions". -- VX (remove alcohol for email) |
Anyone know the rose Mme Alfred Carriere? Other climber suggestions?
In article m, VX writes: | | Thanks. Ok, I get it now. I was thinking that what I knew some decades ago | when I was doing stuff in my parents garden was still current knowledge! It | isn't. One of my books seems to be saying that we know a lot better nowadays | and cutting ramblers down to nearly nothing could even kill them. So I just | ordered a couple of Alberic Barbier. It sounds very good- I especially like | the references to A.B. having "been seen growing quite happily in unsuitable | conditions". There are no absolutes and never were - except this one! A general rule is that cutting a very young shrub or one with only very old stems back too hard can kill it. Some shrubs (like Akebia quinata, many Chaenomeles and definitely Clematis alpina) sucker readily and their stems are relatively short lived. You can shear those back to the ground. Most others should be treated more gently until you see how they respond, and some will never regrow well from very old wood. I don't think that many (if any) decorative roses are of the suckering sort, though some rose rootstocks are :-( Some roses can be cut back very hard; others aren't so keen. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:35 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter