USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
 

Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something
like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a comparison of
climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so that I can be
knowledgeable about what might do well in various locales. Everything
I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing hardiness from zone 1 (very
cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in Southwest Ohio, we are right
on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which means that in a typical winter,
we get down to 10 below zero Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down
to zero, but every 5 to 10 years, we might get down to 15 below.

USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
 

slugbug wrote:
Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully)
something like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a
comparison of climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so
that I can be knowledgeable about what might do well in various
locales. Everything I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing
hardiness from zone 1 (very cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in
Southwest Ohio, we are right on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which
means that in a typical winter, we get down to 10 below zero
Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down to zero, but every 5 to 10
years, we might get down to 15 below.

The UK isn't like America, we only have one climate, we are about the size
of California, although Scotland in the North is usually cooler than Devon
and Cornwall in the South, there is usually only a few degrees seperating
them (Celcius).

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"slugbug" wrote in message
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Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something
like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a comparison of
climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so that I can be
knowledgeable about what might do well in various locales. Everything
I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing hardiness from zone 1 (very
cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in Southwest Ohio, we are right
on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which means that in a typical winter,
we get down to 10 below zero Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down
to zero, but every 5 to 10 years, we might get down to 15 below.
____________________________

Hi,

Here on the west coast of Canadar (similar to Washington State and Oregon -
tho temps drop a bit going north) we have climate pretty well identical to
UK, it's called West Coast Marine.

See
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritt...est_coast.html

and

http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritt...est_coast.html

Hey, try grapes, old crops make fine raisins, good organic crop to grow as
many commercial and wine grapes are sprayed with sulphites, yuk eh..

Mulch well in winter, or grow them in containers and bring them inside in
winter.

Cheers eh,

RjC
www.lchb.ca

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"Dave Poole" wrote in message
...
On 5 Jan 2006 13:31:56 -0800, "slugbug" wrote:

Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something
like a USDA zone map of the UK?

Not that it will give any real indication of a plant's ability to grow
well, but here is a link to the estimated zoning for the UK. It
ranges from 7 in the north through to 9B in the south west. Zoning
doesn't work for maritime climates like ours since plant hardiness is
determined by many other factors including duration of cold, summer
heat, light levels and rainfall. Ultimate cold hardiness is just one
part of the equation and a zone 7 plant in the US cannot be relied
upon to thrive in a zone 7 part of the UK.

http://www.naturenode.com/seeds/zoneeurope.html
Dave Poole

The whole world :~)
http://www.aroid.org/horticulture/zonemap/
Jenny

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Dave Poole wrote:
Janet Baraclough wrote:

Incidentally, grapes would not be a worthwhile commercial crop on
half an acre in Cornwall, and the commercial viability of drying
grapes into raisins anywhere in the UK is remote.

Well, they are worth growing for wines ... but mainly in the much
drier east - especially Sussex and Kent where some very fine vintages
that rival the French are now produced. Devon has a few as do most
counties along the south coast where sunshine levels are highest, but
the quality isn't quite as good. Half an acre is nowhere near enough
in any case and there's a bit too much rainfall in Cornwall for the
production of really good wine grapes.

Camel Vally get soem good write ups esp the fizz

http://www.english-wine.com/camelfeature.html

pk

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On 6/1/06 13:49, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote:

Janet Baraclough wrote:

Incidentally, grapes would not be a worthwhile commercial crop on
half an acre in Cornwall, and the commercial viability of drying grapes
into raisins anywhere in the UK is remote.

Well, they are worth growing for wines ... but mainly in the much
drier east - especially Sussex and Kent where some very fine vintages
that rival the French are now produced. Devon has a few as do most
counties along the south coast where sunshine levels are highest, but
the quality isn't quite as good. Half an acre is nowhere near enough
in any case and there's a bit too much rainfall in Cornwall for the
production of really good wine grapes. As for raisins? Regardless of
the grapes not developing enough sugars, our costs and overheads
compared with Italy, Greece, Turkey, Israel etc. make this totally
impractical.

When Edward Hyams bought this place in the 50s, it was with the idea of
growing grapes, which he had done in Kent. If anyone knew what he was about
it, was Hyams but that venture failed. OTOH, Sharpham is doing well with
its wine on the banks of the River Dart, not far from here but on a very
great deal more than half an acre.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
~Camel Valley get some good write ups esp the fizz
~
~http://www.english-wine.com/camelfeature.html
~
Glad you said that - I was just about to wade in and say ahem!

Sigh. Could I draw the learned friends' attention to the vital
qualifying phrase " worthwhile commercial crop on half an acre" (for
further enlightenment see thread "any ideas please").

:~}

Janet

You are quite right, but i was more commenting on the wine than the project
at hand - damn thread-drift!

pk

USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
 

The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be
a catastrophe! Just think:

1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating
an environmental armageddon

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another
road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have
driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we
switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however
many roads we've passed...)

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"Sacha" wrote in message
news:BFE434DD.2768F%
When Edward Hyams bought this place in the 50s, it was with the idea of
growing grapes, which he had done in Kent. If anyone knew what he was
about
it, was Hyams but that venture failed. OTOH, Sharpham is doing well with
its wine on the banks of the River Dart, not far from here but on a very
great deal more than half an acre.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

To be fair the OP did say suppliment an income not replace it completely,
back in the other thread I suggested Tea but its worth pointing out that
Tregothnan make a great deal from the foliage prunings to the cut flower
industry from their ordinary camellia plantations so a further suggestion
would be foliage production as its not so hit and miss as flower or fruit.
All this has absolutly nothing to do with zone maps!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

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"Dave Poole" wrote after
Janet Baraclough wrote:

Incidentally, grapes would not be a worthwhile commercial crop on
half an acre in Cornwall, and the commercial viability of drying grapes
into raisins anywhere in the UK is remote.

Well, they are worth growing for wines ... but mainly in the much
drier east - especially Sussex and Kent where some very fine vintages
that rival the French are now produced. Devon has a few as do most
counties along the south coast where sunshine levels are highest, but
the quality isn't quite as good. Half an acre is nowhere near enough
in any case and there's a bit too much rainfall in Cornwall for the
production of really good wine grapes. As for raisins? Regardless of
the grapes not developing enough sugars, our costs and overheads
compared with Italy, Greece, Turkey, Israel etc. make this totally
impractical.

Let's not forget Essex...
http://www.newhallwines.co.uk/
I can confirm the quality of their wines. :-)

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

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"slugbug" wrote in message
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The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be
a catastrophe! Just think:

1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating
an environmental armageddon

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another
road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have
driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we
switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however
many roads we've passed...)

I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and Miles are
all slightly larger than the UK -;)

USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
 

"slugbug" wrote in message
oups.com...
The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be
a catastrophe! Just think:

1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating
an environmental armageddon

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another
road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have
driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we
switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however
many roads we've passed...)

Don't worry about the math thing . All you need to do is rename a mile as
the American Kilometre.
The UK still uses Miles but that's no excuse for your lot to foist dots per
inch on us:-)

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Rupert wrote:
"slugbug" wrote in message
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The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since.
[...]
I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and
Miles are all slightly larger than the UK -;)

Not quite. The US gall is smaller than the Imp. The gals, now, that's
a different story...

I'm a bit surprised about the degree F, though: thought that was
internationally agreed, though not, of course, SI.

--
Mike.

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from "Rupert" contains these words:


"slugbug" wrote in message
oups.com...
The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be
a catastrophe! Just think:

1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating
an environmental armageddon

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another
road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have
driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we
switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however
many roads we've passed...)

Don't worry about the math thing . All you need to do is rename a mile as
the American Kilometre.

It'll be a bit puny, just like American gallons, pints, tons and
cwt..but you probably won't notice...

Janet

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"Dave Poole" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:17:49 -0000, "Rupert"
wrote:

I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and Miles are
all slightly larger than the UK -;)

Yeah well they've always been a bit sizeist :)

Also, you can't get away with claiming that we foisted these
measurements on you. At the time fahrenheit was the accepted scale.
Times changed and so did we. Your lot made the choice to stick with
it - no fault of ours.
Dave Poole

Indeed!
The thermometer in Death Valley was reading 93 in the shade at 10am one morning
while we were there.

Apart from knowing it was hot, I could not remember the F scale at all!
When did Britain change over to C?

jenny

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We went metric in the 70's, can't remember when, just remember not
finding a 6pence in my christmas pud!.

Celcius being metric, mence the change

Clifford

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Also, you can't get away with claiming that we foisted these
measurements on you. At the time fahrenheit was the accepted scale.
Times changed and so did we. Your lot made the choice to stick with
it - no fault of ours.

Well, you know how it is. All you guys had to do is change maybe 58
or so road signs, while we would have had to change perhaps 16 MILLION
of them, all the while combating the many diehard shotgun wielding
truck drivers who make a habit of blasting any road sign that shows
kilometers. I kid you not.

At least here in our state (Ohio) the government tried changing over in
the 1970's, starting to put up signs that had kilometers listed first,
then miles. All of the signs were constantly removed by folks who
consider the Metric system a product for the mathematically challenged.
(ok, that part is a joke, for those who don't like doing fractions in
their heads)

So yes, a lot of this is due to the fact that Americans happen to be a
stubborn lot. We get ****ed off when we go to the supermarket and find
a new computer system there telling us to choose between English and
Spanish before proceeding at the checkout. I guess there is a history
to this stubbornness. It all started back when some Brits told us we
would have to pay too much for tea, and we dumped it all in the harbor
instead. About the same time, those same Brits said that only writings
on the officially stamped, high priced imported paper were valid.
Later, they told us at gunpoint that we were going to lick their boots
and like it. And thus, the whole glorification of civil disobedience
began in our culture.

Frankly, at times I wish it hadn't gone that way. If the colonists had
been respected and treated better, we'd probably all be using the
Metric system right now.

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"slugbug" wrote in message
oups.com...
Also, you can't get away with claiming that we foisted these
measurements on you. At the time fahrenheit was the accepted scale.
Times changed and so did we. Your lot made the choice to stick with
it - no fault of ours.

Well, you know how it is. All you guys had to do is change maybe 58
or so road signs, while we would have had to change perhaps 16 MILLION
of them, all the while combating the many diehard shotgun wielding
truck drivers who make a habit of blasting any road sign that shows
kilometers. I kid you not.

At least here in our state (Ohio) the government tried changing over in
the 1970's, starting to put up signs that had kilometers listed first,
then miles. All of the signs were constantly removed by folks who
consider the Metric system a product for the mathematically challenged.
(ok, that part is a joke, for those who don't like doing fractions in
their heads)

So yes, a lot of this is due to the fact that Americans happen to be a
stubborn lot. We get ****ed off when we go to the supermarket and find
a new computer system there telling us to choose between English and
Spanish before proceeding at the checkout. I guess there is a history
to this stubbornness. It all started back when some Brits told us we
would have to pay too much for tea, and we dumped it all in the harbor
instead. About the same time, those same Brits said that only writings
on the officially stamped, high priced imported paper were valid.
Later, they told us at gunpoint that we were going to lick their boots
and like it. And thus, the whole glorification of civil disobedience
began in our culture.

Frankly, at times I wish it hadn't gone that way. If the colonists had
been respected and treated better, we'd probably all be using the
Metric system right now.

Now look here Slubug it just isn't cricket for you to post humorous comments
in this group. You can not be a true Yank with your sense of humour.
Was it you who decided on 8 bits to a Byte?

Good luck with the seed trading let us know what's available.

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from "slugbug" contains these words:

So yes, a lot of this is due to the fact that Americans happen to be a
stubborn lot. We get ****ed off when we go to the supermarket and find
a new computer system there telling us to choose between English and
Spanish before proceeding at the checkout.

Well, maybe you could become bilingual and give yourselves free choice?
In my supermarket, everything is in English and Gaelic. So are all
the roadsigns. shrug.

I guess there is a history
to this stubbornness. It all started back when some Brits told us we
would have to pay too much for tea, and we dumped it all in the harbor
instead. About the same time, those same Brits said that only writings
on the officially stamped, high priced imported paper were valid.
Later, they told us at gunpoint that we were going to lick their boots
and like it. And thus, the whole glorification of civil disobedience
began in our culture.

Only, the mental inflexibility which leaves you collectively stuck in
a rut from the past, is about sheep-like conformity. The very opposite
of revolutionary thinking or civil disobedience.

Janet

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"slugbug" wrote in message
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The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.

I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been
stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be
a catastrophe! Just think:

1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating
an environmental armageddon

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another
road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have
driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we
switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however
many roads we've passed...)

---------------------------------------------

Dollars are Metric, ergo American money is in Metric

Just about every country in the world uses Metric, Canada went
Celsius/Metric in the 1970s, here is a fabulous URL on the topic, check out
the graph:

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm

When exporting to Metric countries, products from the USA are commonly
produced with metric figures.

Universities, labs, medical, engineering, architecture, many other
professions/advanced education in the USA are increasingly Metric.

One significant obstacle to the USA going metric is the general public, many
who don't appreciate the value of Metrication.

Cost savings galore, tho calculator sales will diminish, since much of
Metric is easy to do in the head, very simple.

Here is another URL for you, this one's about Metric 'n stuff:

http://www.fordhamprep.com/gcurran/s...s/lesson29.htm

As a teacher during the times of conversion up here - which is a process,
still going on, some just don't get it, it's a bit of a study - I found the
most effective way to get thinking in terms of Kilometres (some spell
Kilometers), was to go for a 1k walk. Soon you can eyeball a kilometre.

Shorter distances memorize 15 cm = 1 foot

It seems that if one ***has not*** memorized the number of feet and yards in
a mile, one will not come to understand Metric distances...

Everybody shd grow some grapes in containers!

bg
www.lchb.ca

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:35:45 GMT, "**bg**"
wrote:

snip
As a teacher during the times of conversion up here - which is a process,
still going on, some just don't get it, it's a bit of a study - I found the
most effective way to get thinking in terms of Kilometres (some spell
Kilometers), was to go for a 1k walk. Soon you can eyeball a kilometre.

Shorter distances memorize 15 cm = 1 foot

Jolly small feet over there!

It seems that if one ***has not*** memorized the number of feet and yards in
a mile, one will not come to understand Metric distances...

Everybody shd grow some grapes in containers!

bg
www.lchb.ca






--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

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The message BQGwf.169996$2k.135925@pd7tw1no
from "**bg**" contains these words:


Dollars are Metric, ergo American money is in Metric

Decimal, not metric. Decimal is a number base system, metric is a
measurement system.

As a teacher during the times of conversion up here - which is a process,
still going on, some just don't get it,

including you, it seems

Shorter distances memorize 15 cm = 1 foot

No, it doesn't. However many children have you misinformed ?

Janet.




Janet

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Chris Hogg wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:35:45 GMT, "**bg**"
wrote:
Shorter distances memorize 15 cm = 1 foot

Jolly small feet over there!

You know!! He's given me a headache! Not only it took me 25 years to
learn that damn inch, oz, pint, foot and pound ... I'm so glad we're
going metric. Sorry for you folks but as bg said, and he's got a point,
you need to visualise it for sure. Studying horticulture has given it a
new angle - now we've got both measurement methods given, and that very
much confuses everybody :o(

Ooops typo - it's 30-cm to one foot Metric in the USA and de woild eh USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
 

Oops, too funny, typo

Shd read 30 cm to 1 foot

Have a nice day to all ngns

Keep yer toes tappin'

RjC
www.lchb.ca

On the subject, this might be interesting to some. A NASA Mars lander crashed a few years ago because one lab used imperial and another one used metric and they got the conversions wrong when they joined the data together.

http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/99...ars.metric.02/

Darren

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Following up to "**bg**" :

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares.

You have bloody wide roads in Ohio.
--
Tim C.

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Following up to "La Puce" :

now we've got both measurement methods given, and that very
much confuses everybody

Doesn't confuse me. I only have trouble nowadays with Fahrenheit.
--
Tim C.

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Following up to "**bg**" :

Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit

Fahrenheit was German.

--
Tim C.

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djhughes wrote:

On the subject, this might be interesting to some. A NASA Mars lander
crashed a few years ago because one lab used imperial and another one
used metric and they got the conversions wrong when they joined the
data together.

See!!! Confusing as I said. Now, I'm not learning rocket science but ...

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"Tim C." wrote in message
...
Following up to "**bg**" :

2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off
in 1 mile squares.

You have bloody wide roads in Ohio.
--
Tim C.

____________________________________________

Hey Tim, that's funny, good one!

RjC
www.lchb.ca

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"djhughes" wrote in message
...

**bg** Wrote:
Oops, too funny, typo

Shd read 30 cm to 1 foot

Have a nice day to all ngns

Keep yer toes tappin'

RjC
www.lchb.ca


On the subject, this might be interesting to some. A NASA Mars lander
crashed a few years ago because one lab used imperial and another one
used metric and they got the conversions wrong when they joined the
data together.

http://tinyurl.com/75fny

Darren
__________________________________

Hi D,

Yes, I remember that, what a disappointment.

Have often wondered if it was a single person's fault, what they're doing
now eh

RjC





--
djhughes

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The message
from Tim C. contains these words:

Following up to "La Puce" :

now we've got both measurement methods given, and that very
much confuses everybody

Doesn't confuse me. I only have trouble nowadays with Fahrenheit.

So do I at present - not enough of them.

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

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Following up to Rusty Hinge 2 :

Doesn't confuse me. I only have trouble nowadays with Fahrenheit.

So do I at present - not enough of them


:-)
It was -17.7C here this morning. That's 0.14°F. Definitely too few.
--
Tim C.

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Following up to Martin :

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:21:45 +0100, Tim C.
wrote:

Following up to "**bg**" :

Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and
Fahrenheit

Fahrenheit was German.

and Miles Davis was American.

And the other mile came from the Romans.
--
Tim C.