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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something
like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a comparison of climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so that I can be knowledgeable about what might do well in various locales. Everything I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing hardiness from zone 1 (very cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in Southwest Ohio, we are right on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which means that in a typical winter, we get down to 10 below zero Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down to zero, but every 5 to 10 years, we might get down to 15 below. |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
slugbug wrote:
Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a comparison of climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so that I can be knowledgeable about what might do well in various locales. Everything I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing hardiness from zone 1 (very cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in Southwest Ohio, we are right on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which means that in a typical winter, we get down to 10 below zero Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down to zero, but every 5 to 10 years, we might get down to 15 below. The UK isn't like America, we only have one climate, we are about the size of California, although Scotland in the North is usually cooler than Devon and Cornwall in the South, there is usually only a few degrees seperating them (Celcius). |
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URls fer yoo - USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"slugbug" wrote in message oups.com... Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something like a USDA zone map of the UK? I'd like to have a comparison of climates, in case I do some seed trading and such, so that I can be knowledgeable about what might do well in various locales. Everything I have is based on USDA zone maps, showing hardiness from zone 1 (very cold) to zone 11. (subtropical) Here in Southwest Ohio, we are right on the verge of being 5b or 6a, which means that in a typical winter, we get down to 10 below zero Fahrenheit. Some years we only get down to zero, but every 5 to 10 years, we might get down to 15 below. ____________________________ Hi, Here on the west coast of Canadar (similar to Washington State and Oregon - tho temps drop a bit going north) we have climate pretty well identical to UK, it's called West Coast Marine. See http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritt...est_coast.html and http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritt...est_coast.html Hey, try grapes, old crops make fine raisins, good organic crop to grow as many commercial and wine grapes are sprayed with sulphites, yuk eh.. Mulch well in winter, or grow them in containers and bring them inside in winter. Cheers eh, RjC www.lchb.ca |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"Dave Poole" wrote in message ... On 5 Jan 2006 13:31:56 -0800, "slugbug" wrote: Anyone know where I might be able to find (online, hopefully) something like a USDA zone map of the UK? Not that it will give any real indication of a plant's ability to grow well, but here is a link to the estimated zoning for the UK. It ranges from 7 in the north through to 9B in the south west. Zoning doesn't work for maritime climates like ours since plant hardiness is determined by many other factors including duration of cold, summer heat, light levels and rainfall. Ultimate cold hardiness is just one part of the equation and a zone 7 plant in the US cannot be relied upon to thrive in a zone 7 part of the UK. http://www.naturenode.com/seeds/zoneeurope.html Dave Poole The whole world :~) http://www.aroid.org/horticulture/zonemap/ Jenny |
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URls fer yoo - USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
Dave Poole wrote:
Janet Baraclough wrote: Incidentally, grapes would not be a worthwhile commercial crop on half an acre in Cornwall, and the commercial viability of drying grapes into raisins anywhere in the UK is remote. Well, they are worth growing for wines ... but mainly in the much drier east - especially Sussex and Kent where some very fine vintages that rival the French are now produced. Devon has a few as do most counties along the south coast where sunshine levels are highest, but the quality isn't quite as good. Half an acre is nowhere near enough in any case and there's a bit too much rainfall in Cornwall for the production of really good wine grapes. Camel Vally get soem good write ups esp the fizz http://www.english-wine.com/camelfeature.html pk |
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URls fer yoo - USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
Janet Baraclough wrote:
~Camel Valley get some good write ups esp the fizz ~ ~http://www.english-wine.com/camelfeature.html ~ Glad you said that - I was just about to wade in and say ahem! Sigh. Could I draw the learned friends' attention to the vital qualifying phrase " worthwhile commercial crop on half an acre" (for further enlightenment see thread "any ideas please"). :~} Janet You are quite right, but i was more commenting on the wine than the project at hand - damn thread-drift! pk |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit.
I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be a catastrophe! Just think: 1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating an environmental armageddon 2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however many roads we've passed...) |
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URls fer yoo - USDA zone map for UK - for comparison ofclimate, where to find?
"Sacha" wrote in message news:BFE434DD.2768F% When Edward Hyams bought this place in the 50s, it was with the idea of growing grapes, which he had done in Kent. If anyone knew what he was about it, was Hyams but that venture failed. OTOH, Sharpham is doing well with its wine on the banks of the River Dart, not far from here but on a very great deal more than half an acre. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) To be fair the OP did say suppliment an income not replace it completely, back in the other thread I suggested Tea but its worth pointing out that Tregothnan make a great deal from the foliage prunings to the cut flower industry from their ordinary camellia plantations so a further suggestion would be foliage production as its not so hit and miss as flower or fruit. All this has absolutly nothing to do with zone maps! -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
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URls fer yoo - USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"Dave Poole" wrote after Janet Baraclough wrote: Incidentally, grapes would not be a worthwhile commercial crop on half an acre in Cornwall, and the commercial viability of drying grapes into raisins anywhere in the UK is remote. Well, they are worth growing for wines ... but mainly in the much drier east - especially Sussex and Kent where some very fine vintages that rival the French are now produced. Devon has a few as do most counties along the south coast where sunshine levels are highest, but the quality isn't quite as good. Half an acre is nowhere near enough in any case and there's a bit too much rainfall in Cornwall for the production of really good wine grapes. As for raisins? Regardless of the grapes not developing enough sugars, our costs and overheads compared with Italy, Greece, Turkey, Israel etc. make this totally impractical. Let's not forget Essex... http://www.newhallwines.co.uk/ I can confirm the quality of their wines. :-) -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"slugbug" wrote in message oups.com... The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit. I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be a catastrophe! Just think: 1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating an environmental armageddon 2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however many roads we've passed...) I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and Miles are all slightly larger than the UK - |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"slugbug" wrote in message oups.com... The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit. I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be a catastrophe! Just think: 1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating an environmental armageddon 2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however many roads we've passed...) Don't worry about the math thing . All you need to do is rename a mile as the American Kilometre. The UK still uses Miles but that's no excuse for your lot to foist dots per inch on us:-) |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
Rupert wrote:
"slugbug" wrote in message oups.com... The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit. I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been stuck with them ever since. [...] I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and Miles are all slightly larger than the UK - Not quite. The US gall is smaller than the Imp. The gals, now, that's a different story... I'm a bit surprised about the degree F, though: thought that was internationally agreed, though not, of course, SI. -- Mike. |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
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from "Rupert" contains these words: "slugbug" wrote in message oups.com... The UK uses Celcius not Fahrenheit. I understand that. Unfortunately, you Britons foisted Miles and Fahrenheit on us back when we were getting started, and we've been stuck with them ever since. Now if we ever switched over, it would be a catastrophe! Just think: 1) We would have to throw out all of our mercury thermometers, creating an environmental armageddon 2) All of the roads in Ohio and the majority of states are marked off in 1 mile squares. This means you come to an intersection of another road each mile down the road, which lets you figure how far you have driven with no problems. Think of all the math we'd have to use if we switched to kilometers! (what is that, something like 1.4 km x however many roads we've passed...) Don't worry about the math thing . All you need to do is rename a mile as the American Kilometre. It'll be a bit puny, just like American gallons, pints, tons and cwt..but you probably won't notice... Janet |
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USDA zone map for UK - for comparison of climate, where to find?
"Dave Poole" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:17:49 -0000, "Rupert" wrote: I do not wish to upset you but the American Gallon degrees F and Miles are all slightly larger than the UK - Yeah well they've always been a bit sizeist Also, you can't get away with claiming that we foisted these measurements on you. At the time fahrenheit was the accepted scale. Times changed and so did we. Your lot made the choice to stick with it - no fault of ours. Dave Poole Indeed! The thermometer in Death Valley was reading 93 in the shade at 10am one morning while we were there. Apart from knowing it was hot, I could not remember the F scale at all! When did Britain change over to C? jenny |
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