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Has anyone else seen the article in the garden which is an interview with
two women who used to work at Sissinghurst? Two things they said struck us forcibly - they deplored the gimmicky TV programmes about gardening, especially the treatment of Chelsea with its concentration on gurning presenters and no plant names given, as most of us here do. It is to be hoped that the BBC people who make that programme read that article. And they remarked that there are far too many people doing far too many RHS courses now. It does seem to have taken over from interior design as the course some - I do repeat 'some' - people do when they don't know quite what to do! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon ) |
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Sacha wrote: Has anyone else seen the article in the garden which is an interview with two women who used to work at Sissinghurst? Two things they said struck us forcibly - they deplored the gimmicky TV programmes about gardening, especially the treatment of Chelsea with its concentration on gurning presenters and no plant names given, as most of us here do. It is to be hoped that the BBC people who make that programme read that article. And they remarked that there are far too many people doing far too many RHS courses now. It does seem to have taken over from interior design as the course some - I do repeat 'some' - people do when they don't know quite what to do! Can you show us in the article where they actually said that 'far too many people are taking RHS courses when they don't know quite what to do', because that surprise me. Qualifications are now essential in getting a job one wants. An RHS general qualification is now essential to any job in public environmental work in councils across the UK. My course alone last year was attended by 5 lads not really wanting to do the course but had no option. All had been working over 5 years for Oldham council but this wasn't sufficient. So perhaps the rise of RHS applicants has risen because it is now necessary to hold a qualification in horticulture and not just 'knowledge' one aquired through life experience and not because one 'just doesn't know what to do'. |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... Sacha wrote: Has anyone else seen the article in the garden which is an interview with two women who used to work at Sissinghurst? Two things they said struck us forcibly - they deplored the gimmicky TV programmes about gardening, especially the treatment of Chelsea with its concentration on gurning presenters and no plant names given, as most of us here do. It is to be hoped that the BBC people who make that programme read that article. And they remarked that there are far too many people doing far too many RHS courses now. It does seem to have taken over from interior design as the course some - I do repeat 'some' - people do when they don't know quite what to do! Can you show us in the article where they actually said that 'far too many people are taking RHS courses when they don't know quite what to do', because that surprise me. Qualifications are now essential in getting a job one wants. An RHS general qualification is now essential to any job in public environmental work in councils across the UK. My course alone last year was attended by 5 lads not really wanting to do the course but had no option. All had been working over 5 years for Oldham council but this wasn't sufficient. So perhaps the rise of RHS applicants has risen because it is now necessary to hold a qualification in horticulture and not just 'knowledge' one aquired through life experience and not because one 'just doesn't know what to do'. What are your reasons for studying for the RHS general? You already work in public environmental work without any qualifications. |
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Rupert wrote: What are your reasons for studying for the RHS general? To know more about plants and to give me the qualifications I need to get more involve with tenants groups and help preserving and setting up allotments with everyone in the community. You already work in public environmental work without any qualifications. No I don't. Why do you say that? I manage an urban regeneration consultancy. I don't do environmental work. Our landscapers design the public realm we create but I would like to see more involvement from the residents of those areas we create or regenerate because I believe it gives a sense of belonging, of pride, involvment thus reducing the chances for vandalism, neglect, apathy to the environment etc. I previously spent many years working in the arts. Now art and nature meet :o) |
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"La Puce" wrote in message oups.com... Rupert wrote: What are your reasons for studying for the RHS general? To know more about plants and to give me the qualifications I need to get more involve with tenants groups and help preserving and setting up allotments with everyone in the community. You already work in public environmental work without any qualifications. No I don't. Why do you say that? Snip I thought that URBED was strongly associated with environmental issues because their website says:- "Through the Sustainable Urban Neighbourhood Initiative, URBED have been exploring how the principles of environmental sustainability can be made to work in urban areas" |
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Rupert wrote: I thought that URBED was strongly associated with environmental issues because their website says:- "Through the Sustainable Urban Neighbourhood Initiative, URBED have been exploring how the principles of environmental sustainability can be made to work in urban areas" I wish you'd stop mentioning my work all the time. It's as if you are trying to test me as to what and why we do what we do. The SUN initiative was slowly built when we discovered we (my husband and I) had amassed tons of articles from around the UK and abroad and we thought we ought to built a database of these and offer others to peruse them. We employed a chap to record them. From these we thought to seek sponsorship to create a quarterly newsletter - we now have over 5K contacts but sadly haven't made one since issue 12 ... 3 years ago. We're too busy. This newsletter was very new at the time and we were he first ones to mention 'sustainability'. We invited anyone to write articles. The principles of sustainability we use are photovotaics, the use of grey water systems etc. These principles are adopted on 1 or 2 houses but have never been seen on a neighbourhood scale. This is what we are now trying to achieve, large neighbourhoods built with sustainable materials. We created a housing cooperative using these principles, it's called Homes For Change and has 175 flats, communal gardens, workshops, offices for businesses, art gallery and studios, a theatre, a recording studio, a creche and communal spaces. It's now about 10 years old - and you can see the building on The Garden magasine, November issue I think, along with the article of the Hulme Community Garden Centre (which my husband and I developed the business plan and supported it's creation, very strongly). Any more questions Ruppert or perhaps you can you help me with my question number 7. which is to list 4 purposes of the betula species leaf, which is posing me quite a problem atm :o( |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... Rupert wrote: I thought that URBED was strongly associated with environmental issues because their website says:- "Through the Sustainable Urban Neighbourhood Initiative, URBED have been exploring how the principles of environmental sustainability can be made to work in urban areas" I wish you'd stop mentioning my work all the time Snip I don't think I have mentioned your work before?I Any more questions Ruppert or perhaps you can you help me with my question number 7. which is to list 4 purposes of the betula species leaf, which is posing me quite a problem atm :o( It poses me a few problems as well. Have you repeated the question correctly? Give us the full question and someone will have a go at an answer. |
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from "La Puce" contains these words: This newsletter was very new at the time and we were he first ones to mention 'sustainability'. Another total fantasy. "Sustainability" in communal urban environments was being studied, expounded and practised decades ago, in the UK and all around the world, while you were still in school. .. Your ignorant pretensions seriously undermine the credibility of URBED. Janet |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: Another total fantasy. "Sustainability" in communal urban environments was being studied, expounded and practised decades ago, in the UK and all around the world, while you were still in school. In urban planning we were the first one to promote it. . Your ignorant pretensions seriously undermine the credibility of URBED. LOL!! And what is your credibility Janet?! Your woolie underwears?! Our office in Manchester was set up by myself and my husband. For 3 years we ran it from our attic after the first job my husband had for our London office in Bradford. I was then working for him part time, pregnant with my second son, and worked for a European exchange programme as part of the demolitions of the 60s built housing estates which included 12 countries. We then moved to an office in our newly built cooperative. Three years ago we moved to Manchester city centre. We are now 16. The office in London, set up in Covent Garden in 75 will soon be separated from us. They principaly did economic redevelopment and research. We are designers, architects, ecologists, planners, consultants, masterplanners and urban designers. I don't give a fig what you think. We are an amazing couple and worked very very very hard to achieve what we have done. We are weekly in the press, we write lots of publications and we just love what we do. We are a fantastic team with passionate people. We were pioneers in sustainability within our redevelopments projects, tenants participation came close second. You on the other hand have achieved so little, your bitterness and loneliness is now showing. This is the last time I respond to you beside horticultural questions. |
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Rupert wrote: I don't think I have mentioned your work before?I You keep mentioning my business name Ruppert since Janet first mentioned it!!! Why? As I explained to you we don't work with 'nature' but promote renewable energy etc. hence the 'sustainability' principles we keep on pushing. Still, please stop mentioning my business. It poses me a few problems as well. Have you repeated the question correctly? Give us the full question and someone will have a go at an answer. What shape of leaf does the Betula species typically have and list 4 purposes of the leaf. |
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Dave Poole wrote: Well the 'General' will help you or anyone else in their understanding of basic horticulture. It is an excellent course for keen hobbyists and those just starting out, but it is only the 'taster' and the real stuff comes in at levels 3 and 4. To really make folks sit up and take notice, diploma training at Wisley or Kew is still recognised as being the best you can get - anywhere. Ho, absolutely. My friend with her RHS 'Mention' just landed a job at Wisley. Prior to this she worked at Tattoon. (Her lotty is next to mine). I don't want to go deeper than knowing the differences within the vascular bundles between dicots and monocots nor do I really need to know how to draw the main component of the palisade cell, but want to know what needs must be met when siting top fruit trees such as malus or what may cause forced bulbs to fail to flower ... I however will never stop to read, because I am fascinated, but I unfortunately have a living to make because I have two growing children and sadly I do not have the time to progress to RHS 3 and 4. The 'bods' at Oldham really should be sending their lads on the NVQ Landscaping (Amenity) course since can deal with their everyday work more effectively. The lads already had the NVQ landscaping. They just LOVED sitting on the mower and do very little else. They didn't bother sorting out rubbish and dog craps from their grass cuttings - they don't understand the needs. They told us horror stories when preparing ground for tree planting etc. because they don't have the passion, but they do like the fresh air and the cuppa and ciggie breaks they get throughout the day. The course has brought them the understanding they needed to understand the consequences to doing a job well. This is only an example, you understand. I know there's hundreds of devoted lads in environmental works! In my experience, the RHS level 2 (General) provides too much of what council workers do not need to know, and not quite enough of what they do. This is generally combined with the C&G practical skills which I had started in Sept. 04 but sadly the course was closed by the college because we were 13 and they needed 15 students to meet their costings. I was devastated. It started again in Sept. 05, full day on Tuesday but I cannot give a full day. However, I feel that I've had 'practical' all my life. What I need is an understanding, in English, in a different environment, climate and with differents people. This is the challenge I've set myself - I'm not good at kniting, nor kept indoors put it this way ;o) This causes more than a few problems from the motivational point of view. The NVQ can be tailor-made to fit employers' and employees' requirements with hands-on assessment in work. By contrast, the basic RHS course has a set curriculum and is paper-based with only a modicum of 'practical', which isn't assessed. However, if employees undertake both courses, they get an extremely well-rounded insight. Unfortunately few employers can afford to allow sufficient time off for both courses. Yes and that is so frustrating indeed. On Saturday we demanded to plant trees around our college, and not leave it to the NVQ and the practical course students. Our tutor bend over backwards for us. She's so committed to us, it's wonderful to see. We also did a soil pit. She studied geology at Edinburgh for years and is more her passion than horticulture is. We managed to dig a 7ft deep hole and it was as fun as it was fascinating. I've found 6 clay pipe bits, and enough ceramic chunks to make a small coaster :o) |
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from "La Puce" contains these words: (context restored to avoid another Puke slither ) This newsletter was very new at the time and we were he first ones to mention 'sustainability'. Another total fantasy. "Sustainability" in communal urban environments was being studied, expounded and practised decades ago, in the UK and all around the world, while you were still in school. ... Your ignorant pretensions seriously undermine the credibility of URBED. In urban planning we were the first one to promote it. One post ago, you claimed to be the first even to MENTION sustainability. Now, you claim to be the first to promote it. So, are you now trying to make out that others "mentioned it" first, but did nothing about promoting green sustainable urban regeneration until the fortuitous day you came down from the attic in 93? Green sustainable urban regeneration was heavily promoted in Glasgow's Garden festival in 1988. That was a follow-on from earlier similar events in depressed post-industrial areas of Northwest England, such as Liverpool 84. All years before your husband started work in the north in 1990. And those are far from early examples, just ones that gardeners here will recall. I don't give a fig what you think. So you keep telling us, but clearly it's untrue. With pathetic desperation, you pour out on this group an unending flood of vanity, boasting, lies, self-justification and self-serving self- promotion of which We are an amazing couple Is just one pitiable example. People here have been taught, by yourself, that you constantly lie, fake and misrepresent.Therefore, your blind self-aggrandisement is pointless, self-defeating, the ultimate "emperor with no clothes" act. You parade yourself here as one thing, and every post demonstrates that the truth about you is quite the opposite. Janet |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message .com from "La Puce" contains these words: argument snipped Ladies please!! In 1429 you might both have been fighting on the same side: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Herrings Jenny "~) |
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JennyC wrote: Ladies please!! In 1429 you might both have been fighting on the same side: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Herrings smile It's totally absurd. I don't understand why she goes on like this ... |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: In urban planning we were the first one to promote it. One post ago, you claimed to be the first even to MENTION sustainability. No. I didn't. You talk of 'garden sustainability' because you don't understand what I do. We have nothing, but nothing to do with gardens. I managed art projects in a newly built park a few years ago but that's how close we get to the grass. You perhaps write better than me, I'm foreign and you are visibly enjoying the upper hand that this gives you and perhaps you are more articulate, mais moi je pourrais te dire que lorsqu'une conne comme toi ouvre sa bouche en public elle jette un froid, que nous appellons un froid de connard. Do you understand now? So until you do I won't talk to you about it because I don't think you have the intelligence nor the courage to stop being rude to me now that you've found someone to punch. Perhaps one day you'll stop. Until then I suggest you go and get some good nookie, a good long session should sort out your cobwebs. But then again perhaps there lies your problem, as it's been suggested to me. |
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